Cowboys have made offer to Waters

[Plankton]

Jerry losing his touch?

I think it's more like Waters will only play under a specific set of circumstances, including his salary. Makes me wonder how much he really burns to play, and whether it's the right move to consider.

 

[Risen Star]

I'm sure you have many links to back up your "story".

Maybe you should start every post with...


"It was a dark and stormy night."

He's right. You have a very carefree attitude towards the offensive line. While having panic attacks over the cornerback depth chart.

Now I think it's simply to defend whatever the team is doing but, whatever the reason, he's got you pegged.

 

[Risen Star]

I think it's more like Waters will only play under a specific set of circumstances, including his salary. Makes me wonder how much he really burns to play, and whether it's the right move to consider.

He doesn't want to attend training camp.

It's not the greatest thing in the world to have to hope this kind of player will play this year, but that's the hand your GM dealt you.

 

[Kevinicus]

I think it's more like Waters will only play under a specific set of circumstances, including his salary. Makes me wonder how much he really burns to play, and whether it's the right move to consider.

Having a burning desire to play doesn't mean you don't negotiate.

 

[Plankton]

Having a burning desire to play doesn't mean you don't negotiate.

Has nothing to do with negotiation. He sat out a year ago. He has a set of parameters that he is willing to play for, and if he doesn't get them, he won't play.

His desire to play is based on the business end, not a burning need to get on the field. Nothing wrong with that, and he has that right. I just would not want to add a player who is approaching it from that POV.

 

[Plankton]

He doesn't want to attend training camp.

It's not the greatest thing in the world to have to hope this kind of player will play this year, but that's the hand your GM dealt you.

No joke.

At this point, we have to hope that Leary is the real deal, and that Bernadeau doesn't completely suck this year as the impetus to correct the issues.

Not to mention that Free has to shake a two year trend of poor play. At least Frederick looks like a solution at C.

 

[cowboys1985]

Has nothing to do with negotiation. He sat out a year ago. He has a set of parameters that he is willing to play for, and if he doesn't get them, he won't play.

His desire to play is based on the business end, not a burning need to get on the field. Nothing wrong with that, and he has that right. I just would not want to add a player who is approaching it from that POV.

Regardless of his desire or his motivation to play, if healthy, he's better than what we have. You would not want an upgrade?

 

[Doomsday101]

Has nothing to do with negotiation. He sat out a year ago. He has a set of parameters that he is willing to play for, and if he doesn't get them, he won't play.

His desire to play is based on the business end, not a burning need to get on the field. Nothing wrong with that, and he has that right. I just would not want to add a player who is approaching it from that POV.

I tend to agree. I don't dislike Waters but I would make sure the reason he wants to play or not. Coming to Dallas to collect an extra pay check is not good enough. If a guys heart is not in it then I would pass.

 

[TheRomoSexual]

He doesn't want to attend training camp.

It's not the greatest thing in the world to have to hope this kind of player will play this year, but that's the hand your GM dealt you.

And you think every available resource should be dedicated to the OLine...you know, as long as we're making absurd generalizations.

 

[Doomsday101]

Regardless of his desire or his motivation to play, if healthy, he's better than what we have. You would not want an upgrade?

Given how long he has been away I don't know how good he would be or how big of an upgrade. I clearly would like him in Dallas but I don't think having a player just looking to cash a check at this level is good enough reason.

 

[Plankton]

Regardless of his desire or his motivation to play, if healthy, he's better than what we have. You would not want an upgrade?

Absolutely, but I wouldn't look to find that replacement during training camp. I would have looked to resolve the issue during free agency, when it was known that Bernadeau, Costa and a less than 100% Livings were substandard.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

He's right. You have a very carefree attitude towards the offensive line. While having panic attacks over the cornerback depth chart.

Now I think it's simply to defend whatever the team is doing but, whatever the reason, he's got you pegged.

LOL!

Yeah.

Pegged.

 

[cowboys1985]

Given how long he has been away I don't know how good he would be or how big of an upgrade. I clearly would like him in Dallas but I don't think having a player just looking to cash a check at this level is good enough reason.

His time off is a valid concern. But it's clear that Dallas believes he's an upgrade, even if the player is just looking the cash a check. And who knows, maybe that's wat the hold up is. Maybe Waters want guaranteed money while Dallas is willing to give an incentive filled deal?

 

[Doomsday101]

His time off is a valid concern. But it's clear that Dallas believes he's an upgrade, even if the player is just looking the cash a check. And who knows, maybe that's wat the hold up is. Maybe Waters want guaranteed money while Dallas is willing to give an incentive filled deal?

I don't, what is clear other than the Cowboys feel the need to add to the OL and I don't disagree with that. As for him being an upgrade last year yes but if you have sat 18 months I don't see how anyone can claim what Water can or can't do until he comes in and works out. As for a player only looking to cash a check yeah it matter, does he tough it out when he gets nicked up like most players will or does he sit back and not do the job. When a player starts talking retirment they already decided they don't want to play. I'm not sure about having a player who is not willing to give his all.

 

[cowboys1985]

Absolutely, but I wouldn't look to find that replacement during training camp. I would have looked to resolve the issue during free agency, when it was known that Bernadeau, Costa and a less than 100% Livings were substandard.

Well, Moore was considered one of the best FA guards in FA, but he retired. Waters is considered as good if not better than Moore.

And I think the reason Dallas didn't address the guard play earlier in the off season is because they knew they didn't have the cap space to sign the top FA guards. They wanted to see if the combination of Leary, Livings, Bernie, and Arkin would solidify both guard spots and would be as good as the 2nd tier FA guards. If they didn't (like we see now), they knew either Moore or Waters, who were as good as the top guards but much cheaper because the NFL is allergic to old players, would be there later on in Camp to go after.

 

[cowboys1985]

I don't, what is clear other than the Cowboys feel the need to add to the OL and I don't disagree with that. As for him being an upgrade last year yes but if you have sat 18 months I don't see how anyone can claim what Water can or can't do until he comes in and works out. As for a player only looking to cash a check yeah it matter, does he tough it out when he gets nicked up like most players will or does he sit back and not do the job. When a player starts talking retirment they already decided they don't want to play. I'm not sure about having a player who is not willing to give his all.

I believe Dallas already worked out Waters and reports are that he was in good shape and ready to go. And also, its not like he didn't play last year because he wasn't good enough. I believe reports said that he only wanted to continue to play if he was in Texas. Dallas didn't want him last year so he sat out. Dallas came knocking this year so he's listening.

 

[Doomsday101]

I believe Dallas already worked out Waters and reports are that he was in good shape and ready to go. And also, its not like he didn't play last year because he wasn't good enough. I believe reports said that he only wanted to continue to play if he was in Texas. Dallas didn't want him last year so he sat out. Dallas came knocking this year so he's listening.

If you can find the report I would like to see it. I have no issue with Waters coming to Dallas but I do think it is very important that he comes not just because of a paycheck but because he wants to get out there and play. This game is too hard to play without some heart and desire.

 

[Plankton]

Well, Moore was considered one of the best FA guards in FA, but he retired. Waters is considered as good if not better than Moore.

And I think the reason Dallas didn't address the guard play earlier in the off season is because they knew they didn't have the cap space to sign the top FA guards. They wanted to see if the combination of Leary, Livings, Bernie, and Arkin would solidify both guard spots and would be as good as the 2nd tier FA guards. If they didn't (like we see now), they knew either Moore or Waters, who were as good as the top guards but much cheaper because the NFL is allergic to old players, would be there later on in Camp to go after.

The bolded is the first problem - it was apparent last year that all but Leary would likely not solidify the situation. Leary gets the benefit of the doubt based on only one year in the NFL, and thus would have room to grow. Arkin has strength deficiencies that limit his ability. Bernadeau lacks good movement and recognition skills. Livings had a knee injury last season that required surgery. Why anyone would look at this cast of characters and decide to let them come back with no additional competition is beyond me.

The problem with waiting until camp to solve a roster hole is that not only are your options limited, but you are then having to cater to their whims at the negotiating table. It doesn't exactly leave you in a position of strength. Moore and Waters are both, in effect, retired. Trying to convince someone who has already quit to come back is a difficult battle to win.

 

[jazzcat22]

wonder what type of shape the guy is in. He needs to get in training camp asap. Need to get in football shape.

He lives in the Dallas area, around Denton I think. I read he has stayed in very good shape.
But you are right, needs to be in "football" shape. He has time, still about 4 weeks to game one.

 

[ElGatoGrande]

I did a quick looksy in tht NYG game and saw 3 false starts (2- columbo, 1-Adams) and 1 holding penalty (on WR Sam Hurd).

And again, we were talking about one of the best D-Lines in NFL.



The only reason I'm wet is from all the slobber from your mouth as u spew all ur false accusations.

Sorry kid,,, history just doesn't add up for you. Go back and watch the "win and you're in" Philly obliteration, go back and watch the Minny embarrassment, go back and watch Romo get jacked up in that Giant game with a half dozen OL penalties and tell us again how we had this "excellent OL" before 2010,,, it's not even close.