Cowboys have made offer to Waters

[cowboys1985]

If you can find the report I would like to see it. I have no issue with Waters coming to Dallas but I do think it is very important that he comes not just because of a paycheck but because he wants to get out there and play. This game is too hard to play without some heart and desire.

Tim MacMahon‏@espn_macmahon
I'm told that Brian Waters is in great shape and feels refreshed after a year off from football.

I could have sworn i though I saw Dallas worked out both Waters and Moore and he was their no1 option. Let me look some more.

 

[cowboys1985]

The bolded is the first problem - it was apparent last year that all but Leary would likely not solidify the situation. Leary gets the benefit of the doubt based on only one year in the NFL, and thus would have room to grow. Arkin has strength deficiencies that limit his ability. Bernadeau lacks good movement and recognition skills. Livings had a knee injury last season that required surgery. Why anyone would look at this cast of characters and decide to let them come back with no additional competition is beyond me.

The problem with waiting until camp to solve a roster hole is that not only are your options limited, but you are then having to cater to their whims at the negotiating table. It doesn't exactly leave you in a position of strength. Moore and Waters are both, in effect, retired. Trying to convince someone who has already quit to come back is a difficult battle to win.

Well it looks like they were right no Leary (altho it's still early). Sometimes you have to let your players duke it out to succeed. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect Arkin to add strength over another off season in the NFL. As for Bernie and Livings, I agree with you there, I was never high on either of them. But again, Dallas hedged these risks knowing that a player like Waters would be there at training camp. It's not like the O-line situation is a disaster and we have to sign Waters. Waters gives us the chance to solidly the oline. If healthy, he can be one of the better OGs in the league. Any time you have that chance to make an upgrade like that, you go for it.

 

[cowboys1985]

Sorry kid,,, history just doesn't add up for you. Go back and watch the "win and you're in" Philly obliteration, go back and watch the Minny embarrassment, go back and watch Romo get jacked up in that Giant game with a half dozen OL penalties and tell us again how we had this "excellent OL" before 2010,,, it's not even close.

Eh, not a kid. And I believe history does back my facts up and not ur emotional response to those loses.

 

[Risen Star]

No joke.

At this point, we have to hope that Leary is the real deal, and that Bernadeau doesn't completely suck this year as the impetus to correct the issues.

Not to mention that Free has to shake a two year trend of poor play. At least Frederick looks like a solution at C.

I believe Frederick is the real deal and Leary has done nothing but impress so far. There's every reason to have hope there.

Livings, Bernadeau, Costa, Kowalski, Arkin, Free. No hope. Those guys just can't play IMO.

 

[Zordon]

I believe Frederick is the real deal and Leary has done nothing but impress so far. There's every reason to have hope there.

Livings, Bernadeau, Costa, Kowalski, Arkin, Free. No hope. Those guys just can't play IMO.

Have you read the Decastro/Warmack reviews from this past weeks preseason games? Not sure if you're up for it...

 

[5Stars]

I believe Frederick is the real deal and Leary has done nothing but impress so far. There's every reason to have hope there.

Livings, Bernadeau, Costa, Kowalski, Arkin, Free. No hope. Those guys just can't play IMO.

Shame on you for dogging my dog, Kawasaki!

But, it does seem so far that Free is doing a better job from last year. I guess we will see.

 

[Risen Star]

Have you read the Decastro/Warmack reviews from this past weeks preseason games? Not sure if you're up for it...

Hey, I have to be thankful that we got a real C and may have hit on an UDFA G. That is light years ahead of where we were a year ago.

It'd be nice to go into next offseason only having to worry about the right side of the OL.

 

[Zordon]

Hey, I have to be thankful that we got a real C and may have hit on an UDFA G. That is light years ahead of where we were a year ago.

It'd be nice to go into next offseason only having to worry about the right side of the OL.

You're a stronger man than me. Their latest reviews have reignited my love affair for those two. *sigh*

 

[acer941]

Have you read the Decastro/Warmack reviews from this past weeks preseason games? Not sure if you're up for it...

Link... Or there's no such thing...

 

[Alexander]

Link... Or there's no such thing...

Not always reliable being the Titan version of Blogging The Boys: http://www.musiccitymiracles.com/2013/8/12/4614990/deeper-look-chance-warmack-preseason-week-1

There really is not anything breaking down DeCastro but here is an article: http://www.steelersdepot.com/2013/08/steelers-david-decastro-giants-preseason-animated-gifs/

But overall, things are looking good for both players.

I can guarantee had we drafted either (although Warmack was not realistic), we would be better off than we are right now trying to coax a 36-year old war horse out of retirement while the player we traded up for in Claiborne still has a wait and see tag.

 

[gimmesix]

I believe Frederick is the real deal and Leary has done nothing but impress so far. There's every reason to have hope there.

Livings, Bernadeau, Costa, Kowalski, Arkin, Free. No hope. Those guys just can't play IMO.

I don't agree with you. Free can play. He proved that several years ago. The problem is something happened to that player, maybe a loss of confidence, slight change in technique, that made his play go far downhill.

Now, the question is can he ever get back to where he was? So far, the evidence this preseason looks good.

 

[tupperware]

Bad drafting and poor moves and decision making has gotten us where we are today with the OL. Rather than slowly build a winning OL they completely axed it in a matter of a few years (Colombo, Kosier, Gurode, Davis, Adams). Instead of trading multiple picks for Roy Williams (Not on the team) or failing with the Felix pick (Not on the team) or failing with multiple TEs (Not on the team) or failing with Mike Jenkins (Not on the team) I'd been far happier if just a few of those wound up as OL picks for us, but whatever.

It seems that for the past several years we're willing to throw money and picks at anything except one of the most important units on the field.

We try to address that with scrubs from other teams and then fans actually think that's a sign that we've gotten serious about the OL and are "doing everything we can" and taking shots like "who would you bring in to fix the problem?". The answer is, it can't be fixed immediately because it was ignored for so many years. Now we have to sleep in the bed our Owner/GM made for us.

 

[gimmesix]

I think it's more like Waters will only play under a specific set of circumstances, including his salary. Makes me wonder how much he really burns to play, and whether it's the right move to consider.

Waters has proven he's a professional. I don't see any reason to question his desire just because of the money he wants or him only wanting to play for a Texas team.

The man simply hasn't got to play anymore, that doesn't mean he won't give it all if he plays. I'd expect nothing less from him.

 

[Risen Star]

I don't agree with you. Free can play. He proved that several years ago. The problem is something happened to that player, maybe a loss of confidence, slight change in technique, that made his play go far downhill.

Now, the question is can he ever get back to where he was? So far, the evidence this preseason looks good.

I say what happened is you overrated him and once the team took off the training wheels and asked him to play like one of the best paid T's in the league he got exposed.

I know it's popular to blame it on a series of unfortunate events, but I think the guy just isn't very good.

Is he better than a complete stiff like Phil Costa? Yeah. Do I want him as my starting RT? No.

 

[gimmesix]

I say what happened is you overrated him and once the team took off the training wheels and asked him to play like one of the best paid T's in the league he got exposed.

I know it's popular to blame it on a series of unfortunate events, but I think the guy just isn't very good.

Is he better than a complete stiff like Phil Costa? Yeah. Do I want him as my starting RT? No.

No, I watched him and he played well.

Did defenders figure out how to beat him? Maybe that's simply all that happened.

But the evidence showed he was playing well at tackle at the time Dallas extended him ... well enough that other teams coveted him at the time.

It's revisionist history to look back on how he was doing and say he was overrated based of the turn his career took. Judge him for how he played then and not for what he became.

 

[Risen Star]

No, I watched him and he played well.

Did defenders figure out how to beat him? Maybe.

But the evidence showed he was playing well at tackle at the time Dallas extended him ... well enough that other teams coveted him at the time.

I see.

Well at the time of the extension I thought Doug Free was one of the biggest frauds in football and the contract would be a terrible one for the Cowboys as he got exposed for what he really is. A backup, spot starter type.

I'm liking my position here.

 

[gimmesix]

I see.

Well at the time of the extension I thought Doug Free was one of the biggest frauds in football and the contract would be a terrible one for the Cowboys as he got exposed for what he really is. A backup, spot starter type.

I'm liking my position here.

If you felt that way, I guess you should be a GM because you knew better than several of them did.

 

[Echo9]

His time off is a valid concern. But it's clear that Dallas believes he's an upgrade, even if the player is just looking the cash a check. And who knows, maybe that's wat the hold up is. Maybe Waters want guaranteed money while Dallas is willing to give an incentive filled deal?

The delay is that he's inTexas and does not want to travel to California for 3 or 4 practices. Simple as that.

 

[Primetime42]

Hey, I have to be thankful that we got a real C and may have hit on an UDFA G. That is light years ahead of where we were a year ago.

It'd be nice to go into next offseason only having to worry about the right side of the OL.

Baby steps.

 

[Teague31]

My understanding is Waters has had the offer since 8/7. I concur with the others that if he signs it will be after the team returns to Texas. If he signs that spells the end of David Arkin. I think Livings sticks due to his contract.