Cowboys interest in Eric Weddle *Signs With Ravens*

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egn22 said:
No one is saying w certainty you can't spend anything now. But signing 30+ year old safeties to big contracts isn't the best strategy IMO. I agree that Mario Williams would've been nice but I don't think he's the end all be all.
We need to wait and see how it plays out.
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I am not saying sign Weddle to a big contract. The fact he's out there with limited suitors would indicate to me he might be there for a more reasonable contract. But it seems you guys are trying to defend any and all inaction in free agency with things like we have to save money to spend on our OL 2-3 years from now. I think that's bogus thinking.
 

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mattjames2010 said:
You guys act like the "cap going up" completely fixes bad signings. It doesn't, it never has. Some of you took the Stephen Jones "Cap is organic" comment and ran with it. The growing cap isn't going to completely fix teams in this league that threw big contracts at multiple players that turned out to be bad signings. That's what you need to avoid.

With the way you've been the past day or so, I'm guessing this is how you react every off-season. Begging for an aging FA to be signed, crying when it doesn't happen; continually stack bad contract on top of bad contract and it adds up.

Weddle is not a must sign, he's a risk and one we may not be wanting to take. Yes, our young players that we drafted and have a future here need to be taken into consideration.
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Where did I say throw big contracts at aging players?

Shoot, in this very thread, I've clearly said Weddle only makes sense on a reasonable contract and if doesn't end up in Dallas, I'd like to see what he got before I criticize the front office. Weddle was asking for a boatload of money last year.

Other than that, you made some great points. LOL.
 
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Sydla said:
Where did I say throw big contracts at bad players?

In fact, I've pretty much said the exact opposite.
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You've listed 3-4 players the past couple days now you wanted signed, a couple being over the hill players and another being an underwhelming back production wise. That's just this off-season, what players did you want signed in the past?

Again, take those contracts, stack them on top of other bad contracts in the past and it starts to add up. I have to think you're a lot more logical than this but you're allowing FA emotion to get to you. You should at least be able to see the reasons we didn't go all-in on getting Williams and Miller, you should also see it if Weddle isn't signed.
 
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mattjames2010 said:
You've listed 3-4 players the past couple days now you wanted signed, a couple being over the hill players and another being an underwhelming back production wise. That's just this off-season, what players did you want signed in the past?

Again, take those contracts, stack them on top of other bad contracts in the past and it starts to add up. I have to think you're a lot more logical than this but you're allowing FA emotion to get to you. You should at least be able to see the reasons we didn't go all-in on getting Williams and Miller, you should also see it if Weddle isn't signed.
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I gotta defend Miller here. His production was based on Miami refusing to use him. When Cambell came in Miller flourished.
 

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mattjames2010 said:
You've listed 3-4 players the past couple days now you wanted signed, a couple being over the hill players and another being an underwhelming back production wise. That's just this off-season, what players did you want signed in the past?

Again, take those contracts, stack them on top of other bad contracts in the past and it starts to add up. I have to think you're a lot more logical than this but you're allowing FA emotion to get to you. You should at least be able to see the reasons we didn't go all-in on getting Williams and Miller, you should also see it if Weddle isn't signed.
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It's like you don't even read posts sometimes.

For one, I listed only two players I think we should have seriously considered signing - Williams and Miller - and I said we really only needed to sign one not even both. I said they should look at Vernon but if his number is astronomical, which it was, they shouldn't drop their pants.

And in this very thread, I clearly said Weddle only make sense at a reasonable number and if the Raiders or anyone signs him, let's see if he got the big nut he was looking for before criticizing the front office.
 
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DBOY3141 said:
I thank Fish for the heads up on Clayborn also...great signing....oh, that's right......

Weddle would be an upgrade....but don't know if it will happen
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Haha I laughed w this. It's so true. He said for so long last year w hardy no no no no then we sign him.
 
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mattjames2010 said:
Uh, it's a valid point. "2+" years from now, no. Frederick is on the final year of his contract, I want money going to one of the best centers in football rather than putting money into a big name, aging FA.

- Sign Frederick, have extra money left over still for potential better FA in the future
- Sign Frederick, plus aging FA that may demand a decent 2-3 year contract could keep us from a decent FA in the future

It's about investing in the future. Frederick has a future here, Weddle has potential of a 2 year cycle. I'm not against signing Weddle, but we do need to keep an eye on our cap to keep this line intact.
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1st round picks (Travis Frederick) have a 5th year option.
 
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Sydla said:
It's like you don't even read posts sometimes.

For one, I listed only two players I think we should have seriously considered signing - Williams and Miller - and I said we really only needed to sign one not even both. I said they should look at Vernon but if his number is astronomical, which it was, they shouldn't drop their pants.

And in this very thread, I clearly said Weddle only make sense at a reasonable number and if the Raiders or anyone signs him, let's see if he got the big nut he was looking for before criticizing the front office.
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And you're unable to see and won't even consider why we didn't sign them with how you reacted yesterday. You're simply not being rational, which is odd, because you usually seem logical for the most part (Though, I believe you were part of that AP fiasco last year, I could be wrong)

I've been talking about Miller for quite some time now, a fan of his. But even I can understand why we didn't sign him. I, personally, believe he was underused and the Miami offensive line didn't help him. BUT that doesn't change his production numbers, there is risk involved with him: Maybe he really is just a middle of the road RB, it seems we didn't want to take on that risk. I have no issue with this, and I also don't have an issue with passing on an aging DE coming off a pretty terrible year. If we are deadset on getting a DE this offseason, I'd much rather us just talk to Hardy since he's not getting much interest as of now. If not, look to the draft.
 

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mattjames2010 said:
And you're unable to see and won't even consider why we didn't sign them with how you reacted yesterday. You're simply not being rational, which is odd, because you usually seem logical for the most part (Though, I believe you were part of that AP fiasco last year, I could be wrong)

I've been talking about Miller for quite some time now, a fan of his. But even I can understand why we didn't sign him. I, personally, believe he was underused and the Miami offensive line didn't help him. BUT that doesn't change his production numbers, there is risk involved with him: Maybe he really is just a middle of the road RB, it seems we didn't want to take on that risk. I have no issue with this, and I also don't have an issue with passing on an aging DE coming off a pretty terrible year. If we are deadset on getting a DE this offseason, I'd much rather us just talk to Hardy since he's not getting much interest as of now. If not, look to the draft.
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The problem is the owner/GM you are defending said pass rush was the biggest need and after Vernon, Williams was probably the best option to find some help there. Hardy appears to be a character casualty at this point.

Now if Williams got some ridiculous deal, hell yeah, the Cowboys should have passed. But he ended up getting a very reasonable deal that has a pretty easy out for Miami after just one season. So limited downside for them there. The exact type of contracts the Cowboys should be looking at in free agency.

So no, I don't buy any logic on why the Cowboys weren't involved with him other than the fact that they just simply prefer to bargain shop in free agency and hope they get lucky. Any talk of they couldn't sign a guy like Williams because they need to worry about the cap 2+ years from now isn't based in any reality. I think that's a poor way to handle supplementing the roster.

If they think guys like Thornton (who I do like) and Nolan Carroll and other ilk in that class along with a draft class is going to fill their needs and put them right smack back in NFC championship form, good luck. I hope they are right but I doubt it.
 
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