Cowboys Making Late Run At Signing Dak Prescott To Extension

[dagreat1_87]

Let’s just make a little list of the first round QB’s selected in recent history. I am not going to include the two most recent drafts. As one class hasn’t played yet. The other has only played one season so I don’t think it’s fair to say they are/aren’t better than Dak yet.

2017:

Mahomes, Watson, Trubisky.

So that’s one QB who is clearly better. One who may be slightly better depending on who you ask, and one that is probably around the same as Dak.

2016:

Goff, Wentz, Lynch.

One clear bust.

The other two, we have all had arguments about over and over again. Let’s not argue about it here.

2015:
Jameis Winston
Marcus Mariota.

Dak has been better than both, to this point in his career. They both still have a lot of potential though.

2014:

Blake bortles
Johnny manziel
Teddy bridgewater

Dak is better than all 3.

2013:

EJ manuel. LOL


2012:

Andrew Luck
Robert griffin 3
Ryan tannehill
Brandon weeden.

Luck was better than Dak. Dak is better than the other 3.

2011:

Cam newton
Jake Locker
Blaine gabbert
Christian Ponder

Let’s say Cam is better. Dak is better than the other 3.


So, out of 20 QB’s drafted in the first round:

3 are clearly better than Dak. Two of those 3 were #1 overall picks. The other (Mahomes) was taken 10th overall.

Let’s say another 4 are as good as Dak/maybe a little better maybe a little worse. Around the same level.

Those would be: Goff, Wentz, Watson and Trubisky.

Goff was #1 overall. Wentz was #2 overall. Trubisky was #3 overall and Watson was 12th overall.

So. Out of 20 QB’s taken since 2011. Only 15% are clearly better than Dak. Two of them were number one overall picks. One was top 10.

Another 20% are around the same level as Dak.

3 of those were top 5 picks. One was top 12.


So that’s only 35% of QB’s who are even as good as or better than Dak.

You have 65% of the first rounders that aren’t even as good as Dak.


Also, most of the QB’s who are as good as Dak, Required a top pick to get their QB. Meaning to even be in position to draft one of them, you would need to either tank an entire season which would be silly given the talent level of the team IMO.

Or, you would have to trade multiple first round picks, and other draft capital, to move up into position to take a top 5 pick as QB.


So even to give yourself that 15 or 20% chance of getting one better than Dak. You’re probably going to need to spend at least TWO first round pick, plus other draft picks.


So again, I get the concerns about Dak. Yes I would love to have an elite QB myself. I would trade Dak for Rodgers or Mahomes or Brady right now, no question.

But, people are NOT being realistic about how hard it is to find a QB as good as Dak. Chances are better that you use a bunch of draft capital to draft a QB in the first round again. And the QB could still end up being no better than Dak has been.

This post needs to have its own thread lol.

 

[CATCH17]

Byron or Maliek?

As of now.. 100% Byron if all things are equal but if Maliek takes the next step and is a true enforcer / elite player then give me the Dlineman all day over the corner.

 

[Bowdown27]

I’m not surprised. It seemed zeke was pushing for it as he said he wants to spend his entire career with Dak. So maybe they want to push to get this done before the season and before he does great....

 

[CATCH17]

This post needs to have its own thread lol.

It's a good post. I had to skim through it because it's just too long but I got the Macro part of it and I didn't say it's not possible to draft busts.

I just think it's easier then ever to find a solid QB and I look around the league and I just don't see many terrible QB's.

If you bust on a QB then of course it's bad and it sets you back but mediocre QB's are everywhere and if you look at Dak's production it's pretty mediocre.

You have to measure Dak by team accomplishments to up his value.

If you just look at actual elite QB's and you look at the stats and you can see a lot of yards and TD's.

With Dak you have to ignore his mediocre stats and go to things like winning and leadership.

I like Dak.. Don't get me wrong. He's just terrible value.

 

[glimmerman]

As of now.. 100% Byron if all things are equal but if Maliek takes the next step and is a true enforcer / elite player then give me the Dlineman all day over the corner.

With his injuries I would like to see him be that elite player for a season first, but may cost more. Heck whether it’s him or Byron I would be happy. These players are ones we I wondered if we would be able to sign after the big 3. Dak and Cooper may have to wait. Sounds like Coop wouldn’t mind a deal now. He has a top 5 deal in front of him.

 

[Jipper]

Why would anyone hate him if he stepped up to be a top 5 QB?

bc they 1) dont want to eat crow and 2) dont want to admit be wrong and 3) see 1 and 2

 

[Pass2Run]

If ya call 30 young in the NFL

Brady is setting the bar pretty high, so it's about middle-aged for a QB.

 

[Idgit]

Let’s just make a little list of the first round QB’s selected in recent history. I am not going to include the two most recent drafts. As one class hasn’t played yet. The other has only played one season so I don’t think it’s fair to say they are/aren’t better than Dak yet.

2017:

Mahomes, Watson, Trubisky.

So that’s one QB who is clearly better. One who may be slightly better depending on who you ask, and one that is probably around the same as Dak.

2016:

Goff, Wentz, Lynch.

One clear bust.

The other two, we have all had arguments about over and over again. Let’s not argue about it here.

2015:
Jameis Winston
Marcus Mariota.

Dak has been better than both, to this point in his career. They both still have a lot of potential though.

2014:

Blake bortles
Johnny manziel
Teddy bridgewater

Dak is better than all 3.

2013:

EJ manuel. LOL


2012:

Andrew Luck
Robert griffin 3
Ryan tannehill
Brandon weeden.

Luck was better than Dak. Dak is better than the other 3.

2011:

Cam newton
Jake Locker
Blaine gabbert
Christian Ponder

Let’s say Cam is better. Dak is better than the other 3.


So, out of 20 QB’s drafted in the first round:

3 are clearly better than Dak. Two of those 3 were #1 overall picks. The other (Mahomes) was taken 10th overall.

Let’s say another 4 are as good as Dak/maybe a little better maybe a little worse. Around the same level.

Those would be: Goff, Wentz, Watson and Trubisky.

Goff was #1 overall. Wentz was #2 overall. Trubisky was #3 overall and Watson was 12th overall.

So. Out of 20 QB’s taken since 2011. Only 15% are clearly better than Dak. Two of them were number one overall picks. One was top 10.

Another 20% are around the same level as Dak.

3 of those were top 5 picks. One was top 12.


So that’s only 35% of QB’s who are even as good as or better than Dak.

You have 65% of the first rounders that aren’t even as good as Dak.


Also, most of the QB’s who are as good as Dak, Required a top pick to get their QB. Meaning to even be in position to draft one of them, you would need to either tank an entire season which would be silly given the talent level of the team IMO.

Or, you would have to trade multiple first round picks, and other draft capital, to move up into position to take a top 5 pick as QB.


So even to give yourself that 15 or 20% chance of getting one better than Dak. You’re probably going to need to spend at least TWO first round pick, plus other draft picks.


So again, I get the concerns about Dak. Yes I would love to have an elite QB myself. I would trade Dak for Rodgers or Mahomes or Brady right now, no question.

But, people are NOT being realistic about how hard it is to find a QB as good as Dak. Chances are better that you use a bunch of draft capital to draft a QB in the first round again. And the QB could still end up being no better than Dak has been.

Preach.

 

[Nav22]

I guess we just have a disagreement on what is a bad QB.

Asking me to prove it is difficult but i've seen guys like Flacco that most people would say sucks win a Superbowl in the right situation.

Nick Foles..

Eli- it's not fair to say because he is older now but Eli is one of the worst QB's in the league .

I just don't see a lot of terrible QB's.. Who are they? Name them..

Andy Dalton? Jameis Winston? Some unproven rookie?

It’s not even easy to find an Andy Dalton or a Joe Flacco. That’s the point.

Look at how many QBs are drafted every year. Break it down by round, it you’d like. Most end up doing absolutely NOTHING in this league.

 

[phildadon86]

Stephen doesn’t want to make another Gurley is the floor statement. Or incoming suspension or medical issue.

 

[CATCH17]

Preach.

You have to go back to 2014 before the odds of finding a "bad" or "bust" QB really go up.

Then you look around the league currently and there just isn't many bad QB's. Everyone pretty much trots out a mediocre QB at worst or unproven rookie / 2nd year player.

We are probably playing the worst NFL veteran QB in the league this week and something tells me he won't look that bad. I hope he does though.

 

[HungryLion]

I don't disagree about who you said Dak is better than but I do disagree about how easy it is to find someone that is solid.

Those teams who drafted busts replaced those busts with someone who is mediocre or a rookie that could potentially be another bust or a hit.

Todays terrible QB's are guys like Andy Dalton, Eli Manning, or some unproven rookie or 2nd year player that we don't have enough information on.

I hear what you’re saying. I guess my philosophy is just different. I believe Dak is good enough to get the job done. So I would rather use the draft capital to try and get him the help he needs to do it. Rather than trying to replace him.

 

[CATCH17]

It’s not even easy to find an Andy Dalton or a Joe Flacco. That’s the point.

Look at how many QBs are drafted every year. Break it down by round, it you’d like. Most end up doing absolutely NOTHING in this league.

But it's easy to find mediocrity at the position and Dak is in that category on a great team.

 

[CATCH17]

I hear what you’re saying. I guess my philosophy is just different. I believe Dak is good enough to get the job done. So I would rather use the draft capital to try and get him the help he needs to do it. Rather than trying to replace him.

Dak is more then good enough to get the job done. He has a low floor and his mobility gives him a slightly better then average ceiling.

 

[Corso]

Someone doesn't remember 2015.

 

[Rayman70]

But it's easy to find mediocrity at the position and Dak is in that category on a great team.

hey I like you..but you couldn't be more wrong about Dak. Did you watch any games last year where Dak made a crucial run or pass? In the playoffs against Seattle he was HUGE. Doesn't that count for something?

 

[HungryLion]

But it's easy to find mediocrity at the position and Dak is in that category on a great team.

Dak will cost cap space. But he doesn’t cost any first round picks either.

 

[Rayman70]

Someone doesn't remember 2015.

that was essentially kin to the dark ages around here. WAS AWFUL.

 

[Nav22]

But it's easy to find mediocrity at the position and Dak is in that category on a great team.

“Great team” my butt. They have the potential to be great because their QB is a winner.

83 total TD, 25 INT and a 32-16 record. Game-winning drive after game-winning drive, among the best clutch QBs in football. On WHAT PLANET is this mediocre??

If Dak gets hurt, Dallas is going 4-12.

 

[Rayman70]

Someone doesn't remember 2015.

I RECALL Matt Cassel, "he throws a pretty ball" Weeden, and man...I don't even remember...didn't Jon Kitna and Kellen Moore play QB that year too? I think we even drug Kitna out of retirement that year. lol