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He is the closest thing we've had to him since he retired. I don't understand your Dez hate.

I don't praise him because of his antics. The overflowing amount of posters on here who have his photo as their avatar is fine by me. But he is no captain and a player I wouldn't resign. Cap only stretches so far. Romo can be a top QB without him. Give me two allpro DTs for the 15 mil per.
 

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I don't praise him because of his antics. The overflowing amount of posters on here who have his photo as their avatar is fine by me. But he is no captain and a player I wouldn't resign. Cap only stretches so far. Romo can be a top QB without him. Give me two allpro DTs for the 15 mil per.

Suh and Poe are all pro DT and neither one is going to get signed for $7.5m AAV. Look at how much Watt got. They are going to be looking to get that as it is their market.

About the best you are going to do is Suh and he wants a Watt contract. I will take the bird in hand.
 

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Suh and Poe are all pro DT and neither one is going to get signed for $7.5m AAV. Look at how much Watt got. They are going to be looking to get that as it is their market.

About the best you are going to do is Suh and he wants a Watt contract. I will take the bird in hand.

it's not a bird in hand scenario. Wrs are like a pawn and a DT is like a bishop.
 

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it's not a bird in hand scenario. Wrs are like a pawn and a DT is like a bishop.

Dez Bryant is on the roster. It is a bird in hand situation. You want to surrender our top offensive skill player in the league for someone else's top DT.

You can count the area a chess piece covers to come up with the 1/3/5 convention. What basis do you have for your evaluation here?

I present a different notion: NFL executives as a whole know more about the worth of players than you and I. Their evaluations manifest in terms of the contracts they pay players. I can understand quibbling a little bit but saying that a DT is 3 times more valuable is nonsense.
 

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Dez Bryant is on the roster. It is a bird in hand situation. You want to surrender our top offensive skill player in the league for someone else's top DT.

You can count the area a chess piece covers to come up with the 1/3/5 convention. What basis do you have for your evaluation here?

I present a different notion: NFL executives as a whole know more about the worth of players than you and I. Their evaluations manifest in terms of the contracts they pay players. I can understand quibbling a little bit but saying that a DT is 3 times more valuable is nonsense.

My feeling is that our offense runs smoothly with or without the longterm handcuffs Dez wants to put the Cowboys in. Our QB and RB are our top offensive weapons with the cast of WRs (Witten, DB, Williams, Bailey ) next. With free agency and the cap restraints there is no bird in the hand. The sheer amount of WRs available and our lack of DT talent currently make dumping a potential WR cap burden for dt (OR TWO) attractive in my book. Much of this depends on what the WR does this year but I see a player who is slow to learning the playbook, may suffer when asked to move about, lacks the return game he once gave the team, seems to hurt the team with stupid penalties that are selfish, more self centerness and selfishness with leaving the game like a poor sport only can do (which is not going to be forgiven quickly) fumbles too much, doesn't understand how to talk to the media when discussing the opponent for the week, has back issues that could arise, criminal concerns of the past, a contract that has him with bodyguards ect. Don't be so fooled and take the safe road with a trade or two high pay years on the franchise tag before getting into a relationship that will likely include a decline each year in the players game.
 

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The running back is the top offensive weapon? Hardly. Not for this team, not for this league. The "bird in hand" phrase has nothing to do with the cap, it has to do with what you have on the roster. Bryant is on the roster. Your 2 mythical pro bowlers totalling less than bryant are not on the roster.
 

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The running back is the top offensive weapon? Hardly. Not for this team, not for this league. The "bird in hand" phrase has nothing to do with the cap, it has to do with what you have on the roster. Bryant is on the roster. Your 2 mythical pro bowlers totalling less than bryant are not on the roster.

Which NFL team is it who won a SB that pays an allpro WR the big money?
 

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Which NFL team is it who won a SB that pays an allpro WR the big money?

SB or bust binary thinking is a poor bias. Fitzgerald Welker, and Moss made it to the Super Bowl but lost in recent history. Wayne won as did Brown and Cruz. Irvin and Rice are obvious examples of the previous generation. I can point to playmaking WR as prime contributors to all manner of playoff wins.

About the closest realistic example that i can think of for what you are proposing is Suh who is going to be on the market for about the same as Dez.

So you would have us pay Suh and not resign Dez? That is how much all pro DT cost. If Poe has another big season he is going to get Watt money. Dareus or McCoy? You think you can get one of those for less than $40m guaranteed?

I think a much better idea is to bias our draft towards front 7 and keep the prospects that we have developed.
 

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As expected on offense. Justin Durant might be the most under-appreciated guy on the roster, Church is a vocal guy, both are good selections imo. Dan Bailey is simply a Boss.
Durant isn't any good, so I'm not sure why he's under appreciated.
 

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SB or bust binary thinking is a poor bias. Fitzgerald Welker, and Moss made it to the Super Bowl but lost in recent history. Wayne won as did Brown and Cruz. Irvin and Rice are obvious examples of the previous generation. I can point to playmaking WR as prime contributors to all manner of playoff wins.

About the closest realistic example that i can think of for what you are proposing is Suh who is going to be on the market for about the same as Dez.

So you would have us pay Suh and not resign Dez? That is how much all pro DT cost. If Poe has another big season he is going to get Watt money. Dareus or McCoy? You think you can get one of those for less than $40m guaranteed?

I think a much better idea is to bias our draft towards front 7 and keep the prospects that we have developed.

Good point. However I threw out the DT example not as a definite plan but as an example if the available talent were in that position we would have options. Having choices is nice because teams can lean towards a soft spot or a position that they feel would give them an advantage over the league because of new rules or strategies that have recently been implemented. Even if no FAs replaced the loss of Bryant, the team has money to sign current players and front load contracts rather than mortgage the teams future by always restructuring. Frontload now so that if the team needs to "borrow" in later years to keep a potential strong nucleus together (offensive line, Dline, for example) is better and more prudent plan than overspending longterm on a potentially flakey WR. If the Cowboys don't take the Franchise tag option the next two seasons on this guy then trading him for essentially younger talent and saving cap availability is the way to stay young and strong on the field and within the NFLs allowed budget. As far as Fitz..the Cards would let him walk if hey could get a Do Over. The Pats play MY GAME by letting go of Moss & Welker, thus getting younger and less expensive. Wayne isn't getting younger and the Colts won't ride him. Irvin & Rice don't work because they are Pre Cap examples. Trade players that are fetching draft picks while you can.
 

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Yeah right.....a WR who missed the entire 2014 season. Just 1? lol

So not only was he a big hit on the cap, but he didnt contribute? That hurts the argument even more. Unless the argument is "having a high end wide reciever on the field hurts your team".
 

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Good point. However I threw out the DT example not as a definite plan but as an example if the available talent were in that position we would have options. Having choices is nice because teams can lean towards a soft spot or a position that they feel would give them an advantage over the league because of new rules or strategies that have recently been implemented. Even if no FAs replaced the loss of Bryant, the team has money to sign current players and front load contracts rather than mortgage the teams future by always restructuring. Frontload now so that if the team needs to "borrow" in later years to keep a potential strong nucleus together (offensive line, Dline, for example) is better and more prudent plan than overspending longterm on a potentially flakey WR. If the Cowboys don't take the Franchise tag option the next two seasons on this guy then trading him for essentially younger talent and saving cap availability is the way to stay young and strong on the field and within the NFLs allowed budget. As far as Fitz..the Cards would let him walk if hey could get a Do Over. The Pats play MY GAME by letting go of Moss & Welker, thus getting younger and less expensive. Wayne isn't getting younger and the Colts won't ride him. Irvin & Rice don't work because they are Pre Cap examples. Trade players that are fetching draft picks while you can.

How did New England originally get over the proverbial hump? By paying for a group of very senior veterans.
 
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