Cowboys News & Notes: Possible Destinations For DeMarco Murray

[Toruk_Makto]

Many football players play hurt, some even play injured. Not many at any position are "healthy" (whatever that means) for an entire season. The sport is violent, physical and wearing down just means they are human.

Exactly. So the position that takes more punishment than any other.... We should probably not invest heavily in one guy. Diminishes your risk to suffer due to injury and keeps more guys fresher.

Especially when talking about a guy who missed 11 games his first 3 seasons.

 

[Nightman]

Exactly. So the position that takes more punishment than any other.... We should probably not invest heavily in one guy. Diminishes your risk to suffer due to injury and keeps more guys fresher.

Especially when talking about a guy who missed 11 games his first 3 seasons.

RBs are not as fragile as you portray them to be

They can go several years with 350-450 touches before they break down, especially guys that work out like Murray

Has it ever occurred to you that we might not have even seen his best year yet???

 

[BAT]

I concur, he's a really, good back, but I would be very, hesitant to give Murray a huge contract.

So was Jerry. When it came time to re-sign Emmitt Smith. Jerry eventually relented and Emmitt went on to earn season MVP and SB MVP honors.

 

[Howboutdemcowboys31]

Murray isn't SPECIAL, but he is damn good. Only 4 backs I would rather have are Bell, Charles, Lynch, AP

 

[BAT]

Exactly. So the position that takes more punishment than any other.... We should probably not invest heavily in one guy. Diminishes your risk to suffer due to injury and keeps more guys fresher.

Especially when talking about a guy who missed 11 games his first 3 seasons.

Murray missed 11 games total in his career. Guess who missed more in their first 4 seasons of their career:

15 games missed = Jamal Charles
13 games missed = Arian Foster

Even Marshawn Lynch missed 7 games in his first 4 seasons. Do you re-sign any of those guys? Of course you do.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Murray missed 11 games total in his career. Guess who missed more in their first 4 seasons of their career:

15 games missed = Jamal Charles
13 games missed = Arian Foster

Even Marshawn Lynch missed 7 games in his first 4 seasons. Do you re-sign any of those guys? Of course you do.

After 3 seasons and only 1 missed game Charles signed for 5 years 32.5M with 13m guaranteed. He was 24.

After missing 10 games as an undrafted free agent his rookie year foster missed 3 games over the next 3 seasons broke at least 1200 yards each season (high of 1616) and scored double digit touchdowns each season (high of 16) and then signed for 5 years 43.5M with 20.75 guaranteed. He was 24.

Lynch after rushing for 1200 and 1600 yards with the Seahawks and missing 1 game while scoring 23 rushing touchdowns signed a 4 year 31M contract with 17M guaranteed. He was 25.

Murray after missing 3 games then 6 games then 2 games and having only 2 thousand yard seasons and his first season with double digit touchdowns wants a big deal like those other guys? At 26?

One thing is not like the others.

 

[BAT]

Murray isn't SPECIAL, but he is damn good. Only 4 backs I would rather have are Bell, Charles, Lynch, AP

After 3 seasons and only 1 missed game Charles signed for 5 years 32.5M with 13m guaranteed. He was 24.

After missing 10 games as an undrafted free agent his rookie year foster missed 3 games over the next 3 seasons broke at least 1200 yards each season (high of 1616) and scored double digit touchdowns each season (high of 16) and then signed for 5 years 43.5M with 20.75 guaranteed. He was 24.

Lynch after rushing for 1200 and 1600 yards with the Seahawks and missing 1 game while scoring 23 rushing touchdowns signed a 4 year 31M contract with 17M guaranteed. He was 25.

Murray after missing 3 games then 6 games then 2 games and having only 2 thousand yard seasons and his first season with double digit touchdowns wants a big deal like those other guys? At 26?

One thing is not like the others.

All those examples are unique. Just like Murray's 1800 yard record breaking consecutive 100 yard season. Murray was on pace to obliterate Cowboys rookie RB season yardarge starting only 7 games and averaging 5.5 ypc. If he gets the nod earlier in the year or he doesn't get hurt in week 13, he easily surpasses Dorsett and Emmitt's rookie season yardage totals and ypc average. The hate on Murray stems from his 2012 season where he gets injured and only plays in 10 games.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

All those examples are unique. Just like Murray's 1800 yard record breaking consecutive 100 yard season. Murray was on pace to obliterate Cowboys rookie RB season yardarge starting only 7 games and averaging 5.5 ypc. If he gets the nod earlier in the year or he doesn't get hurt in week 13, he easily surpasses Dorsett and Emmitt's rookie season yardage totals and ypc average. The hate on Murray stems from his 2012 season where he gets injured and only plays in 10 games.

So you bring up those other 3 guys. When I shown they had been more durable and productive than Murray before signing deals that were pretty modest in guaranteed money you somehow say they don't apply?

They were YOUR examples...that I then tore down.

Murray doesn't deserve a contract as big as those guys who were younger and more productive and healthier when they signed their deals.

 

[Craig]

I'll take my chances on the guys with a track record of durability and an established track record of success...on second hand...I wouldn't commit money to any of those guys. Lynch on the short term, but he's due for the wheels to fall off. Bell is pretty much the only back in the league that I'd think about investing term right now. It certainly wouldn't be for more than $6M a year either.

I'd certainly be open to bringing Murray back, but it would be for term or high $$, not both.

 

[BAT]

So you bring up those other 3 guys. When I shown they had been more durable and productive than Murray before signing deals that were pretty modest in guaranteed money you somehow say they don't apply?

They were YOUR examples...that I then tore down.

Murray doesn't deserve a contract as big as those guys who were younger and more productive and healthier when they signed their deals.

Younger, yes, more productive, not so much. 1800 yard seasons don't grow on trees. And I was not saying the 3 were not comparable, you were. I simply stated that if you are going to use the argument that the other 3 situations differ AND still compare favorably to Murray, then you could slice that salami even further and state that every player is in a unique situation and thus not comparable.

Murray is a 2X pro bowler, just lead the league in rushing, broke franchise and league records. Yes, his situation is unique. None, not one of those guys, have done ANY of those combined things. Your whole argument is based on his age and missed games (Murray actually has less wear and tear, AND fewer games missed, but you want to parse the stats to fit your agenda).

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Younger, yes, more productive, not so much. 1800 yard seasons don't grow on trees. And I was not saying the 3 were not comparable, you were. I simply stated that if you are going to use the argument that the other 3 situations differ AND still compare favorably to Murray, then you could slice that salami even further and state that every player is in a unique situation and thus not comparable.

Murray is a 2X pro bowler, just lead the league in rushing, broke franchise and league records. Yes, his situation is unique. None, not one of those guys, have done ANY of those combined things. Your whole argument is based on his age and missed games (Murray actually has less wear and tear, AND fewer games missed, but you want to parse the stats to fit your agenda).

Pro bowl is a joke. Those other guys had more productive stretches of sustained excellent play before they got paid. And they were younger than Murray. And they stayed more healthy than Murray.

If Murray is willing to take a deal that acknowledges that fact. Then by all means get wr done Jerry. I'd just as soon let him walk. Put that money into a premier defender or three in free agency.

 

[Idgit]

RBs are not as fragile as you portray them to be

They can go several years with 350-450 touches before they break down, especially guys that work out like Murray

Has it ever occurred to you that we might not have even seen his best year yet???

That's really not true, unfortunately. At Murray's age, you rarely see a guy post over 400 carries one season and back it up the next. Sure, there are some Emmitt Smiths and Eric Dickersons. And then there's just about everybody else.

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/content/stop-running-back-abuse/7333/

None of this is a mark on Demarco, by the way. He's a player I admire and I wish him nothing but the best. But it's not worth betting against the odds that the guy's going to be healthier later in his career after posting a 400+ carry season than he had been for his first several years in the league. It's much more likely his contract year and his wear and tear are going to catch up with him than it is that he's going to just be getting started after a relatively quiet start in the NFL.

 

[Nightman]

That's really not true, unfortunately. At Murray's age, you rarely see a guy post over 400 carries one season and back it up the next. Sure, there are some Emmitt Smiths and Eric Dickersons. And then there's just about everybody else.

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/content/stop-running-back-abuse/7333/

None of this is a mark on Demarco, by the way. He's a player I admire and I wish him nothing but the best. But it's not worth betting against the odds that the guy's going to be healthier later in his career after posting a 400+ carry season than he had been for his first several years in the league. It's much more likely his contract year and his wear and tear are going to catch up with him than it is that he's going to just be getting started after a relatively quiet start in the NFL.

I said 350-450 and I stand by it. I went through the top 20 single season list and most of them had several years of 350+ touches in their 20s. I'm not suggesting Murray will match Emmitt's career, but I have no problem betting on the next 2-3 years. That is all they need to get through the Romo years. Your article even mentioned 2800 touches as the drop off number. Murray is at 1100 after 4 years, plenty of life and hits left in those legs.

The thing about career years is that they are never repeated, that is why they are career years. But we have no idea if Murray is still ascending. Everyone just assumes that was the best he will ever do, but I see no reason he can't repeat it with this OL. People could have thought 1994 was Emmitt's best, but he came back in 1995 and topped it by a mile and led Dallas to the SB.

 

[Idgit]

I said 350-450 and I stand by it. I went through the top 20 single season list and most of them had several years of 350+ touches in their 20s. I'm not suggesting Murray will match Emmitt's career, but I have no problem betting on the next 2-3 years. That is all they need to get through the Romo years. Your article even mentioned 2800 touches as the drop off number. Murray is at 1100 after 4 years, plenty of life and hits left in those legs.

The thing about career years is that they are never repeated, that is why they are career years. But we have no idea if Murray is still ascending. Everyone just assumes that was the best he will ever do, but I see no reason he can't repeat it with this OL. People could have thought 1994 was Emmitt's best, but he came back in 1995 and topped it by a mile and led Dallas to the SB.

Except Murray had almost 440 carries, so the 350 number is not really all that relevant. And, Murray is going to be 27 when next year starts. He'd be 30 by the end of your 3 years. That's too old for that number of carries by almost any metric. You can stand by your opinion all you want. It's still a bad bet.

The 2800 touch mark was a figure that marked the end of a player's career regardless of their age, btw. It also said that 'a player who exceeds 400 touches in his late 20s is all done.' Murray meets both of those criteria.

 

[Nightman]

Except Murray had almost 440 carries, so the 350 number is not really all that relevant. And, Murray is going to be 27 when next year starts. He'd be 30 by the end of your 3 years. That's too old for that number of carries by almost any metric. You can stand by your opinion all you want. It's still a bad bet.

The 2800 touch mark was a figure that marked the end of a player's career regardless of their age, btw. It also said that 'a player who exceeds 400 touches in his late 20s is all done.' Murray meets both of those criteria.

Then he's the exception that proves the rule

 

[ConstantReboot]

That's why he averaged over 5 yards per carry his first three years behind a crappy line.

People hate it when you use FACTS to prove a POINT. Murray averaged 5 yards a carry his first 3 years and yet people are still in denial. What will it take for them to even sniff the truth?

Maybe the mods can create a DENIAL ZONE for all those that have a hard time dealing with facts.

 

[ConstantReboot]

We finally broke through the 8-8 wall and went all the way to 13-5 and it was because of the running game, just like the good ol days. And everyone wants to dump the star RB who led us there. I can't imagine people wanting to dump Emmitt after his first 4 years because all RBs break down.

That just baffles me. It really does. I can't understand wanting someone better perhaps. But some here are going overboard - saying he can't be productive anymore and that he's too old.

I believe some Cowboys fans are so used to losing that they aren't comfortable with winning. They want to get back to what their used to which is losing. I guess when we lose its easier to come in here a grumble about it. Now when we win people can't gripe and grumble anymore thus they find anyways to nitpick the Cowboys.

Sorry to say these fellas but I think the Cowboys are back. So you better get used to winning. If you can't handle us winning then there are other teams to root for such as Cleveland and Tampa to name a few.

 

[Silver N Blue]

Better? Murray had the BEST season by a Cowboys' RB ever. Again, that is best season EVER. I guess some people appreciate what they have, others simply have no clue, until its gone.

Well having a clue I do have and a great season he did have but the guy is injury prone and has a problem holding onto the rock. If you can get better the team has to make the move. With that if he stays I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. From one arm chair GM to another you have to keep Dez if it comes down one of them having to go.

 

[jjktkk]

So was Jerry. When it came time to re-sign Emmitt Smith. Jerry eventually relented and Emmitt went on to earn season MVP and SB MVP honors.

True, but also remember the Marion Barber contract fiasco. Murray, talent wise, is somewhere in between imo. I want to resign him, just not a huge contract.,

 

[Doomsday101]

True, but also remember the Marion Barber contract fiasco. Murray, talent wise, is somewhere in between imo. I want to resign him, just not a huge contract.,

Baber contract was a 7 year deal and I agree Dallas will not hand out a 7 year deal this time around.