Cowboys 'Not Fair' In Diggs Contract Talks? CB Wants 'Guaranteed' Deal?

[big dog cowboy]

That's true but he could just ask for so much ridiculous money from Dallas or request to be released. He could go to Buffalo, Chiefs, Bengals, 49ers, Eagles.

None of that will ever happen. Unrealistic. Besides, he loves it in Dallas.

He will be the highest paid defensive player in the league. Who would be unhappy with that?

 

[SuperBowlz]

Billionaires don't do nothing...? lol... how about run the business that pays and finance these salaries... market to you and make the team viable, btw, most OWNERS come from the boot linking corporate world... i.e. more to Corporate America than saying welcome to McDonald's may I take your order...

Most successful businessmen executives have the same amount of years dedicated to thier craft... while guarantees aren't provided... parachutes and stocks options are... which provide the same incentives to share in the company (teams) success.... you need to reevaluate if you are not negotiating for your own life ... 100

Naaaah. To own an NFL team is 100% just a status symbol for billionaires. Most of them hire people to run the day to day and the owners just root for the team. It's not a business to get into to make money. It's status symbol for the billionaire club.

 

[Havic]

Trade him if you can get 2 1's

 

[Captain-Crash]

The pie is shrinking. shrugs

 

[DuncanIso]

Trade him if you can get 2 1's

Cheaper to pay him.

They will offer a huge signing bonus.

Half the contract with be GTD.

A few years into the deal, they will restructure.

 

[kskboys]

I understand the current mins for both team and individual player. I was responding directly to your concern that, "When you have an uncapped league, you end up w/ way too many Oak A's and KC Royals. Their attendance is just so bad, it drives down the revenue. Smaller revenue means less money for players." This could be addressed by setting a minimum team salary at the higher end (rather than it's current place on the bottom end) to force owners to spend to the levels the more competitive teams are spending at. Teams may be bad because they are poorly managed, but they won't be bad because they don't spend money. That's what I'm trying to say.

You can give players the same freedom to move they have now, but create a system that allows the "hometown" team (and fans) to not have to hope for that infamous hometown discount to keep the guys they drafted. Not sure who is losing here, except the owners who will have to fork out more money to keep the high value guys they drafted. We can get rid of the franchise tag, giving more freedom to the player and letting it come down get the best deal you can get, without the drafting team being hindered by a cap. It rewards good drafting/management, and it would very likely limit player movement simply because they might not have to leave for more money, as they can get it right at "home".

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on the cap being great for the NFL. Unless you're talking about just the owners.

Seems like we talk as much about the financials as we do the x's and o's. I'd love to see that go away.

I really haven't seen anything that has made me think that no cap is good. Uncapped leagues have gone to crapp.

So, exactly how are you saying this uncapped league is supposed to work? I'm just not getting it. Uncapped leagues always lead to lower class teams. Always. How are you saying to avoid that?

 

[kskboys]

Ramsey is clearly on the back 9, as you can see when he plays he lost a step somehow, so I would not take him as top 5 anymore. Certainly top 15 and arguably top 10 but no longer top 5. Lattimore is more name than game. Right now the same is true of Ward. Being drafted highly does not make you top 10 or even top 5. I get there is an element of self promotion in being a good CB as you need to make the other team afraid of you but a lot of the players you listed are basically getting by on where they were drafted.

I will say though Humphrey does better than most of that list what the true job of a CB is: make the QB not throw the ball your way. That is the reason I always find INTs to be a weak stat to use to measure a CB because if you are truly doing your job perfectly you should not be seeing the opportunity to get those INTs because the QB should not be wanting to throw into the WR you have blanketed.

I really don't know what you're trying to say. You can pick fleas on any player in the NFL, no exceptions.

The statement was made that Diggs is "clearly top 5." I disagreed w/ that statement, explained why, and listed possible players that could be equal or better. You talked about a couple players, but exactly what are you trying to say? I'm not getting it.

 

[EastLondonCowboy]

https://www.si.com/nfl/cowboys/news...eals-dak-prescott-zack-martin-guaranteed-camp

Cowboys BREAKING: Dallas Opens Trevon Diggs Contract Talks - Source; $81 Million CB?

Cowboys 'Not Fair' In Diggs Contract Talks? CB Wants 'Guaranteed' Deal?​

Former Dallas Cowboys receiver Dez Bryant reveals he has talked with cornerback Trevon Diggs through Diggs' extension talks with the team, and gave his thoughts on the situation

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DALLAS COWBOYS
The Dallas Cowboys have several key players due for new deals soon, with one of them being star corner Trevon Diggs.
Diggs and the Cowboys began extension talks in early June, as CowboysSI.com was first to report. But it's been relatively quiet since then. That is until former Cowboys receiver Dez Bryant decided to chime in.
Since exiting football a few years ago, Bryant has been very vocal about issues around the NFL and especially his beloved former team. It turns out that Bryant has been talking with Diggs throughout the corner's extension talks, and he revealed where they stand right now. Notably, Bryant had an interesting comment on how the Cowboys are handling the negotiations.

"I'll say this, he is not trying to knock them across the head, I will say that," Dez said via his Personal Corner Spaces. "And I will say they're not trying to be fair to him. And I feel like what he's asking for, he is rightfully deserving of that contract. You know, I believe it should all be guaranteed."

I think from the three big contracts we need to give out next season this may be the one we decide to give up.
Parsons can’t be replaced and lamb seems to be getting better as he goes on.
With the Zac Martin situation as well, If one has to not get paid my choice would be Diggs, obviously we’d want to keep him but if the cap dictates one doesn’t get paid I think Diggs would be at the top of most peoples list.

 

[Vtwin]

I really haven't seen anything that has made me think that no cap is good. Uncapped leagues have gone to crapp.

So, exactly how are you saying this uncapped league is supposed to work? I'm just not getting it. Uncapped leagues always lead to lower class teams. Always. How are you saying to avoid that?

The NFL has gone to crap imo. Watered down. Cuts the legs off the well managed teams to try and boost the lower class teams in the name of "parity", yet there as many lower class teams as there ever has been. You MIGHT be able to have a dynasty run if you hit on a great QB, who is willing to work with management to fill in the supporting cast AND you have great coaching. Otherwise it is, at best, short term cycles of up and down. The current system is set up entirely to make money. It's basically Reality TV.

I already stated an approach to avoid teams being "lower class" from a financial/spending perspective. That, combined with revenue sharing, eliminates the "small market" excuse that was a major driver for the cap when it began. You will always have those teams that are lower class because of poor management. Obviously, a cap does nothing to raise those teams, nor does an uncapped league. (It's my turn to not understand your perspective)

I haven't taken the time to sit down and come up with "exactly" how it would work, and it doesn't necessarily have to be completely uncapped. I am certain that there are options to both keep player movement opportunities unhindered while creating a dynamic that allows teams the opportunity to be rewarded for their good drafting/management by making it possible for them to more easily sign draft picks to that second and third contract.

The salary cap to football is like the accounting department to a design and engineering company. The designers and engineers (coaches/GMs) come up with the best plan for success then accountants (salary cap) get hold of it and reduce it to a somewhat workable shell of what it could have been.

 

[Risen Star]

You can already smell the stench of this deal.

 

[LittleD]

It really is funny watching this take because I guarantee we are going to see the exact same people making this exact same take in a year when it is time to pay Parsons has the highest paid defender in football. Parsons is going to get that deal and everyone knows it but there are still going to be people arguing he does not deserve it.

It's very simple...Parsons deserves a big contract and will get one. Diggs, not so much. Interceptions are just one factor in playing the position of CB.

 

[DuncanIso]

It's very simple...Parsons deserves a big contract and will get one. Diggs, not so much. Interceptions are just one factor in playing the position of CB.

I think they pick up the 5th year on Micah.

Then tag + tag

He will be in his 8th season by then.

Worn out.

 

[DallasEast]

The NFL has gone to crap imo. Watered down. Cuts the legs off the well managed teams to try and boost the lower class teams in the name of "parity", yet there as many lower class teams as there ever has been. You MIGHT be able to have a dynasty run if you hit on a great QB, who is willing to work with management to fill in the supporting cast AND you have great coaching. Otherwise it is, at best, short term cycles of up and down. The current system is set up entirely to make money. It's basically Reality TV.

 

[Adreme]

I really don't know what you're trying to say. You can pick fleas on any player in the NFL, no exceptions.

The statement was made that Diggs is "clearly top 5." I disagreed w/ that statement, explained why, and listed possible players that could be equal or better. You talked about a couple players, but exactly what are you trying to say? I'm not getting it.

You listed a bunch of players who were drafted high and did nothing as though that makes them worthy of being top5. If you were just going to pick your top 5 based on draft stock then yes you might have an argument but the idea that Lattimore or Ward could shine Diggs shoes, or any of the top 5, is laughable.

Even Sauce, who I think is being coronated so fast you would think he is Trevor Lawrence, has a better case and our sample size for him is much smaller but at least it’s a good year unlike them.

 

[visionary]

I think they pick up the 5th year on Micah.

Then tag + tag

He will be in his 8th season by then.

Worn out.

Yeah, that’s what you want to do, make the best defensive player in the entire NFL unhappy to overpay an overrated gum flapper

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Trade him if you can get 2 1's

I doubt anyone would give 2 1's for a CB that can't tackle and barely in top 10.

 

[kskboys]

The NFL has gone to crap imo. Watered down. Cuts the legs off the well managed teams to try and boost the lower class teams in the name of "parity", yet there as many lower class teams as there ever has been. You MIGHT be able to have a dynasty run if you hit on a great QB, who is willing to work with management to fill in the supporting cast AND you have great coaching. Otherwise it is, at best, short term cycles of up and down. The current system is set up entirely to make money. It's basically Reality TV.

I already stated an approach to avoid teams being "lower class" from a financial/spending perspective. That, combined with revenue sharing, eliminates the "small market" excuse that was a major driver for the cap when it began. You will always have those teams that are lower class because of poor management. Obviously, a cap does nothing to raise those teams, nor does an uncapped league. (It's my turn to not understand your perspective)

I haven't taken the time to sit down and come up with "exactly" how it would work, and it doesn't necessarily have to be completely uncapped. I am certain that there are options to both keep player movement opportunities unhindered while creating a dynamic that allows teams the opportunity to be rewarded for their good drafting/management by making it possible for them to more easily sign draft picks to that second and third contract.

The salary cap to football is like the accounting department to a design and engineering company. The designers and engineers (coaches/GMs) come up with the best plan for success then accountants (salary cap) get hold of it and reduce it to a somewhat workable shell of what it could have been.

Stadiums are full and ratings are through the roof. NFL has not gone to crapp. Only to us old timers who want things the way they used to be. (Me too).

The cap does a ton to raise those teams. I'm really not understanding why you think it doesn't.

I think the NFL should do something similar to the NBA, where you can pay your FA's the most, and can go over the cap w/ no penalty to pay your own.

I cannot agree that any business is like a pro sports business. It's not even apples and oranges, it's more like blue whales and fleas.

 

[kskboys]

You listed a bunch of players who were drafted high and did nothing as though that makes them worthy of being top5. If you were just going to pick your top 5 based on draft stock then yes you might have an argument but the idea that Lattimore or Ward could shine Diggs shoes, or any of the top 5, is laughable.

Even Sauce, who I think is being coronated so fast you would think he is Trevor Lawrence, has a better case and our sample size for him is much smaller but at least it’s a good year unlike them.

No, I didn't. I perused top lists from scouts and such and listed the ones who were mostly up at the top. It's you who are using strange ideas to rate players. .

Lattimore is consensus top 5. You're actually the only one I've seen who is claiming he isn't. What makes you say that? Ward has quietly become a top 10 CB. Now it's you who are using name recognition as opposed to actual play.

Sauce was the NFL D rookie of the year last season and was freaky good. What are you using to rate him lower?

And if you want to talk about coronating too fast, Diggs is the very definition of just that. What makes you state that he is easily top 5?

 

[Momanpr100]

They know very well what Jerry paid Dak and Zeke.
From Martin to Diggs etc
Jerry going away present will be cap bankrupting us to assure another decade of non-glory.

You know Zach got paid before both of them. Zach been paid good since the first day on the field since he was a high 1st round pick.

 

[Flamma]

The NFL has gone to crap imo. Watered down. Cuts the legs off the well managed teams to try and boost the lower class teams in the name of "parity", yet there as many lower class teams as there ever has been. You MIGHT be able to have a dynasty run if you hit on a great QB, who is willing to work with management to fill in the supporting cast AND you have great coaching. Otherwise it is, at best, short term cycles of up and down. The current system is set up entirely to make money. It's basically Reality TV.

I already stated an approach to avoid teams being "lower class" from a financial/spending perspective. That, combined with revenue sharing, eliminates the "small market" excuse that was a major driver for the cap when it began. You will always have those teams that are lower class because of poor management. Obviously, a cap does nothing to raise those teams, nor does an uncapped league. (It's my turn to not understand your perspective)

I haven't taken the time to sit down and come up with "exactly" how it would work, and it doesn't necessarily have to be completely uncapped. I am certain that there are options to both keep player movement opportunities unhindered while creating a dynamic that allows teams the opportunity to be rewarded for their good drafting/management by making it possible for them to more easily sign draft picks to that second and third contract.

The salary cap to football is like the accounting department to a design and engineering company. The designers and engineers (coaches/GMs) come up with the best plan for success then accountants (salary cap) get hold of it and reduce it to a somewhat workable shell of what it could have been.

What you explain in the beginning is the reason I hate the hard capped league. It's a watered down product, and we rarely see any great teams anymore.

I'm just not sure uncapped would be any better. We'd have a different set of issues. You'd probably have teams not even trying to keep up. Years ago there wasn't FA, so teams just kept their players.

I've mentioned it before, but if the league allowed for a discount on re-signing their own players, that would allow for teams that draft well, to do well.