Cowboys 'Not Fair' In Diggs Contract Talks? CB Wants 'Guaranteed' Deal?

[LittleD]

Is it overpaying when you pay the market rate?

Yes, when the player is below market player making business decisions.

 

[kskboys]

If I am understanding this correctly, that is a significant difference from the NFL model where teams share all the revenue except for gate receipts/parking/concessions.

Maybe instead of a salary cap we have a salary minimum which forces owners to keep up, but doesn't handicap those that want to go for it.

I don't know, man. I am admittedly looking at it from a fan point of view, which gets me the best product, tinged with nostalgia from the "good old days" when rosters remained stable, dynasties rose and fell and there were always some legitimate 'battles of the titans'.

There is a salary minimum.

Only way to go back to those days is to curb/stop FA. FA, while definitely more fair to the players, also produces a lesser product.

 

[kskboys]

Except he clearly is a CB1 and a top 5 CB who has improved every year (yes he played better last year and it was not close). The fans always do this though. They love the young guys until its time to pay the young guys then suddenly they hate them.

Not clearly top 5.

Surtain
Jaire Alexander
Lattimore
Slay
Sauce
Humphrey
Ramsey
Denzel Ward


All in that convo. There's also Terrell and Asante Jr, as well as young buck Stingily if he can stay on the field, and Xavien Howard. McDuffie looked really good his first year also.

 

[elcowboi]

None of the Billionaires are “fair” to the Millionaires, boo-hoo…….Dez and the entire sports media look at business through the eyes of a child

overpay Lamar, overlay Deshaun, overpay Saquon……the list goes on and on

Meanwhile they run these players into the ground. I would get everything from a billionaire owner. They make enough off the backs of these players.

 

[Vtwin]

There is a salary minimum.

Only way to go back to those days is to curb/stop FA. FA, while definitely more fair to the players, also produces a lesser product.

I'm aware there is a cap floor and a player minimum. I was suggesting a total minimum salary in the higher end, to answer your concern about some teams taking the money and running.

FA is necessary for the players benefit. You could curb FA by allowing teams the ability to pay their drafted players outside the cap. It doesn't stop the player from looking at offers but it allows the team to match any offer without consideration to being able to fit the rest of the roster under the cap. Win/win for the players and the fans.

Unfortunately... it's lose for the owners that care more about bottom line than trophy case and fans.

 

[kskboys]

I'm aware there is a cap floor and a player minimum. I was suggesting a total minimum salary in the higher end, to answer your concern about some teams taking the money and running.

FA is necessary for the players benefit. You could curb FA by allowing teams the ability to pay their drafted players outside the cap. It doesn't stop the player from looking at offers but it allows the team to match any offer without consideration to being able to fit the rest of the roster under the cap. Win/win for the players and the fans.

Unfortunately... it's lose for the owners that care more about bottom line than trophy case and fans.

There are both player mins and team mins. Not sure what you're trying to say.

Nope, can't have both. You can either have players staying w/ a team, or you can have FA. They cannot and do not co-exist.

And those owners must be controlled. That is why there is a salary min, to force them to spend the money on players.

The cap is great for the NFL. Necessary evil, if you will.

 

[shabazz]

Meanwhile they run these players into the ground. I would get everything from a billionaire owner. They make enough off the backs of these players.

Every company makes makes money off the backs off their employees so I don’t begrudge anybody trying to get all they can. I only point out that just in all walks of life everybody can’t be paid the HIGHEST at their position……which is exactly what every taking head on every sports show demands. Not practical since theirs that pesky little thing called a SALARY CAP

lets also keep in mind that these athletes aren’t coal miners in a West Virginia coal mine getting black lung and dying in their 40s…..they are ALL millionaires playing a child’s game

 

[fairviewfarmer]

Should have traded Diggs after the 2021 season.

 

[Hadenough]

Parsons needs to take note and hold out for his money. If I was Parsons I would want out of Dallas because of Dak.

 

[Captain-Crash]

"they're enough money for everybody"

 

[Sarge]

Learn how to tackle and get back to me, thanks.

 

[Vtwin]

There are both player mins and team mins. Not sure what you're trying to say.

Nope, can't have both. You can either have players staying w/ a team, or you can have FA. They cannot and do not co-exist.

And those owners must be controlled. That is why there is a salary min, to force them to spend the money on players.

The cap is great for the NFL. Necessary evil, if you will.

I understand the current mins for both team and individual player. I was responding directly to your concern that, "When you have an uncapped league, you end up w/ way too many Oak A's and KC Royals. Their attendance is just so bad, it drives down the revenue. Smaller revenue means less money for players." This could be addressed by setting a minimum team salary at the higher end (rather than it's current place on the bottom end) to force owners to spend to the levels the more competitive teams are spending at. Teams may be bad because they are poorly managed, but they won't be bad because they don't spend money. That's what I'm trying to say.

You can give players the same freedom to move they have now, but create a system that allows the "hometown" team (and fans) to not have to hope for that infamous hometown discount to keep the guys they drafted. Not sure who is losing here, except the owners who will have to fork out more money to keep the high value guys they drafted. We can get rid of the franchise tag, giving more freedom to the player and letting it come down get the best deal you can get, without the drafting team being hindered by a cap. It rewards good drafting/management, and it would very likely limit player movement simply because they might not have to leave for more money, as they can get it right at "home".

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on the cap being great for the NFL. Unless you're talking about just the owners.

Seems like we talk as much about the financials as we do the x's and o's. I'd love to see that go away.

 

[Adreme]

Not clearly top 5.

Surtain
Jaire Alexander
Lattimore
Slay
Sauce
Humphrey
Ramsey
Denzel Ward


All in that convo. There's also Terrell and Asante Jr, as well as young buck Stingily if he can stay on the field, and Xavien Howard. McDuffie looked really good his first year also.

Ramsey is clearly on the back 9, as you can see when he plays he lost a step somehow, so I would not take him as top 5 anymore. Certainly top 15 and arguably top 10 but no longer top 5. Lattimore is more name than game. Right now the same is true of Ward. Being drafted highly does not make you top 10 or even top 5. I get there is an element of self promotion in being a good CB as you need to make the other team afraid of you but a lot of the players you listed are basically getting by on where they were drafted.

I will say though Humphrey does better than most of that list what the true job of a CB is: make the QB not throw the ball your way. That is the reason I always find INTs to be a weak stat to use to measure a CB because if you are truly doing your job perfectly you should not be seeing the opportunity to get those INTs because the QB should not be wanting to throw into the WR you have blanketed.

 

[Adreme]

Yes, when the player is below market player making business decisions.

It really is funny watching this take because I guarantee we are going to see the exact same people making this exact same take in a year when it is time to pay Parsons has the highest paid defender in football. Parsons is going to get that deal and everyone knows it but there are still going to be people arguing he does not deserve it.

 

[Cowboyny]

I'm not saying to give him a 3 year contract. Just that there is an out after 3 years.

He is going to be our #1 CB for the future, you want to lock him up or have to give him a market level raise sooner then you like.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Should have traded Diggs after the 2021 season.

After just 2 years in the league??? Hmmmmm.

 

[big dog cowboy]

If I was Parsons I would want out of Dallas because of Dak.

The problem for Parsons is you never know where you will end up. There are lots of teams in far worse shape.

 

[fairviewfarmer]

After just 2 years in the league??? Hmmmmm.

His Ints are his forte. He had too few in 2022.

 

[Hadenough]

The problem for Parsons is you never know where you will end up. There are lots of teams in far worse shape.

That's true but he could just ask for so much ridiculous money from Dallas or request to be released. He could go to Buffalo, Chiefs, Bengals, 49ers, Eagles.

 

[big dog cowboy]

His Ints are his forte. He had too few in 2022.

There is a reason for that. OC's and QB's learned to not throw and him and look who was on the other side.