Cowboys only 1 seed of the past ten to not make the Super Bowl

[Sydla]

You don't have to keep saying 'of course I do' to everything I've typed in the prior post. We can take it as a given that anything I type is my opinion. In return, I won't start each of my replies to you with 'of course you don't.' We can save precious forum space this way.

There's no way to compare what this staff would have done with the Eagles personnel, so it's a moot point. I'll point out that we're one single season removed from going 13-3 with our own third string QB who didn't even get most of the reps in training camp, so my argument that our staff is capable of preparing a team adequately given the personnel isn't exactly far-fetched.

It is when every other time they've had to face a key injury they've spit the bit.

In fact, it appears they just rode a hot QB in 2016 because the season came crashing down in 2017 once an injury or personnel loss happened.

 

[Idgit]

Disagree.

It is both.

Of course you need good talent. But coaching makes a huge difference as well.

Some coaches are better than others, for sure. And a guy like Belichick is absolutely a difference maker. I'm not trying to minimize coaching altogether.

But the Cowboys have lost playoff games under Garrett because of personnel limitations.

 

[northerncowboynation]

Are you asking if it's better to make the SB and lose than not make the playoffs at all?

Yes, its better to make the SB and lose than do what we do and have done for 20 years.

Well my question was, would you be happy going to the show and losing. You sort of answered it. You accept losing the war but not the battle. I've been on both sides, won battles, lost the war. Lost a few battles,won the war. You know what makes that great? Knowing the difference. Cowboy fans do, Eagles fans don't. Not many switch allegiance and go to the side that is clearly going to win the war otherwise we'd all be Pats fans. Most believe their cause is just

 

[HungryLion]

You don't have to keep saying 'of course I do' to everything I've typed in the prior post. We can take it as a given that anything I type is my opinion. In return, I won't start each of my replies to you with 'of course you don't.' We can save precious forum space this way.

There's no way to compare what this staff would have done with the Eagles personnel, so it's a moot point. I'll point out that we're one single season removed from going 13-3 with our own third string QB who didn't even get most of the reps in training camp, so my argument that our staff is capable of preparing a team adequately given the personnel isn't exactly far-fetched.

The coaches also crapped the proverbial bed this year and the season prior when faced with adversity.

The falcons game from this season tells me
Everything I need to know.

They stood there and watched like fools while their backup LT got beat ON THE SAME MOVE over and over and over and over again. Allowing their second year QB to take one of the most vicious beatings I have ever seen on a football field. A beating the QB never recovered from the rest of the season.

Anybody with a functioning brain stem knew much sooner that something needed to be done and they couldn’t figure out a solution the entire game.

It was one of the most pathetic coaches performances I have seen in a long time.

An epic failure.

 

[Idgit]

It is when every other time they've had to face a key injury they've spit the bit.

In fact, it appears they just rode a hot QB in 2016 because the season came crashing down in 2017 once an injury or personnel loss happened.

Oh, other than that one 13-3 season, you meant. I see.

 

[condoin125]

Who is this thread for? Granted I didn't read the pages in the middle but who is still defending the staff? I swear it seems that some of you are looking for a fight that doesn't exist here....every thread (regardless of topic) has people taking shots at the coaches....it's about the only thing the fan base agrees on at the moment.

 

[HungryLion]

Some coaches are better than others, for sure. And a guy like Belichick is absolutely a difference maker. I'm not trying to minimize coaching altogether.

But the Cowboys have lost playoff games under Garrett because of personnel limitations.

So, after 7 season of proving Garrett is NOT a special
Coach, the franchise should just settle for that, rather than try and find a special coach?

 

[Aviano90]

I would. Anything is better than mediocrity. Can't win unless you're there. I heard the same thing in 2007. The Cowboys were never going to beat the Pats in the SB anyway. And then I sat back and watched the Giants beat them.

I would be happy, too. I'm not a Super Bowl or bust fan. Never have been, never will be.

I'm also not a fan who can continue to defend failing to make the playoffs ~70% of the time and not being able to win more than a Wild Card game in 7 years. I get some people want to remain positive despite the lack of success and I respect that. What I can't understand is why it bothers them so much that other fans don't share their optimism.

What is even stranger to me is the few people who defend the Cowboys record under Garrett while attempting to diminish other teams who have had more success. Always trips me out to read something like "McCarthy only has 1 SB title with Rodgers". Yeah, sign me up for that. I'll be OK with 1.

 

[Sydla]

Oh, other than that one 13-3 season, you meant. I see.

And it looks like that season was an anomaly, lightning in the bottle because once they had a key personnel loss the next season, the wheels fell right off again like they did in 2015.

 

[Idgit]

The coaches also crapped the proverbial bed this year and the season prior when faced with adversity.

The falcons game from this season tells me
Everything I need to know.

They stood there and watched like fools while their backup LT got beat ON THE SAME MOVE over and over and over and over again. Allowing their second year QB to take one of the most vicious beatings I have ever seen on a football field. A beating the QB never recovered from the rest of the season.

Anybody with a functioning brain stem knew much sooner that something needed to be done and they couldn’t figure out a solution the entire game.

It was one of the most pathetic coaches performances I have seen in a long time.

An epic failure.

What they did in that ATL game didn't work, but that doesn't mean they didn't change things up to react to the pressure. They did chip or bring help on about a third of the passing plays. They rolled Dak away from that edge. Dak's post game comments indicated they called plays to get the ball out of his hand faster. They ran into the LT gap and got absolutely stonewalled. They replaced the LT and gave up more sacks.

And then there's the fact that they most definitely provided the help you're talking about the next week against the Eagles. Remember, Jerry talked about it during the week and saying that they *would* do better? They gave help on pretty much every passing snap that week. 4 sacks. 37-9.

Sometimes 'coach 'em up' isn't the magic balm fans think it is.

 

[Sydla]

Well my question was, would you be happy going to the show and losing. You sort of answered it. You accept losing the war but not the battle. I've been on both sides, won battles, lost the war. Lost a few battles,won the war. You know what makes that great? Knowing the difference. Cowboy fans do, Eagles fans don't. Not many switch allegiance and go to the side that is clearly going to win the war otherwise we'd all be Pats fans. Most believe their cause is just

If the choices are go to the SB and lose or not make the playoffs, which is what I stated, the decision is clear. Nowhere did I say I would be happy if we lost the SB in general. I would be disappointed it we lost a SB. And who is switching sides?

I have no idea what the hell you are rambling about.

 

[Stash]

Like I told @yimyammer we miss Timmy Mac. He brought the heat every press conference during the Wade years. Now he covers the lil Mavs....I wonder why?
*cough* blackballed *cough*

An awesome blast from the past! Thanks for sharing that clip. It's great to watch Jerry squirm when he's caught dead to Rights.

 

[Reverend Conehead]

Didn't the same thing happen in 2007?

 

[HungryLion]

What they did in that ATL game didn't work, but that doesn't mean they didn't change things up to react to the pressure. They did chip or bring help on about a third of the passing plays. They rolled Dak away from that edge. Dak's post game comments indicated they called plays to get the ball out of his hand faster. They ran into the LT gap and got absolutely stonewalled. They replaced the LT and gave up more sacks.

And then there's the fact that they most definitely provided the help you're talking about the next week against the Eagles. Remember, Jerry talked about it during the week and saying that they *would* do better? They gave help on pretty much every passing snap that week. 4 sacks. 37-9.

Sometimes 'coach 'em up' isn't the magic balm fans think it is.

Isn’t it the coaches job to have the solution?

Saying they tried to solve the problem and failed, doesn’t make me feel any better about it.

It’s also their job to evaluate the players they have and develop adequate back ups. The coaches
Seemed content going into the season with Green and Bell as their back ups.

Again, epic failure no matter how you slice it.

The nfl is a results only league. It’s not a “well golly gee we really tried hard. We scratched, fought and clawed”.

 

[Idgit]

So, after 7 season of proving Garrett is NOT a special
Coach, the franchise should just settle for that, rather than try and find a special coach?

I'm all for upgrading any staff position if there's an upgrade there, obviously including Garrett's.

My concern is that the Cowboys job is not a typical job. It's got a ton of pressure and an owner who actively sows chaos and has a history of taking big unnecessary swings in a league where teams win by avoiding the big mistake. Finding guys who can work productively with Jerry and mitigate the craziness that travels with him isn't the easiest thing in the world.

I think the guy we've got now is stable and sensible and has shown he can develop talent. I believe he'd already have been successful in getting a championship, or very close to it, if we hadn't taken foolish and unnecessary risks with multiple key defensive picks in recent years. I don't want to see that go out the window just to bring in another guy who also will have very slim chances for success given the circumstances in Dallas unless there's a clear likelihood he's going to be an improvement. I don't mean just change for the sake of change because we're tired of losing. If that's what we're looking at, I prefer to address the defensive personnel like I've been suggesting for 4 offseasons now, since I think that's actually the reason why we can't consistently beat teams with elite QBs.

 

[northerncowboynation]

What I hear on here is fans going on and on about changing HC's and expecting that will change everything. You know how I know it won't. Try, Switzer, Campo, Gailey, Parcells, Phillipps . Like idgit said, it's as much on personell. If it wasn't, every team that has changed HC's over the past 7 years would be winners. Now if you want to come out, name your successor and show proof to back your choice, have at it

 

[Idgit]

Didn't the same thing happen in 2007?

Yep. It's been a rough run.

 

[Idgit]

Isn’t it the coaches job to have the solution?

Saying they tried to solve the problem and failed, doesn’t make me feel any better about it.

It’s also their job to evaluate the players they have and develop adequate back ups. The coaches
Seemed content going into the season with Green and Bell as their back ups.

Again, epic failure no matter how you slice it.

The nfl is a results only league. It’s not a “well golly gee we really tried hard. We scratched, fought and clawed”.

A personnel limitation is a personnel limitation. Go back to Bill Parcells telling Torrin Tucker he wouldn't let him fail. Well, he let him fail.

I'm not the one complaining about our current results, you'll note. I think we've got a fairly competitive team that needs some achievable upgrades to get where it's going. Address what's causing us to lose the playoff games. Don't just change parts that are working because that's the guy who's name is on the top of the coaching chart.

 

[Sydla]

What I hear on here is fans going on and on about changing HC's and expecting that will change everything. You know how I know it won't. Try, Switzer, Campo, Gailey, Parcells, Phillipps . Like idgit said, it's as much on personell. If it wasn't, every team that has changed HC's over the past 7 years would be winners. Now if you want to come out, name your successor and show proof to back your choice, have at it

Of the coaches that have been here, how many went on to great success as HCs after they left Dallas?

Zero. Switzer and Parcells were old and at the end of their runs, the others never amounted to much as head coaches.

The problem isn't necessarily that Jerry is bad at personnel, the bigger issue is Jerry just sucks at hiring head coaches and staffs.

 

[Idgit]

And it looks like that season was an anomaly, lightning in the bottle because once they had a key personnel loss the next season, the wheels fell right off again like they did in 2015.

We had more than 'a key personnel loss' going on this season.