CFZ Cowboys over hyped

TheMarathonContinues

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You sound like a spokesperson for the Jones dictatorship. How can you ignore the moronic actions of our past. Nothing has changed. The talk from the dictatorship is worthless. They mean nothing. We promise to change our ways sure whatever. We promise to figure things out sure whatever. Just because the teams we build fail each and every year is no reason to think this team will fail sure whatever.

FWIW this team is built almost exactly the same as every other team the clown show has put together. Very top heavy roster with unproven "stars" (Dak). Aging players on high end deals who are injury prone (Tyron). Tons of dead money (Zeke, Collins). Defensive leaders who have proven to be much more concerned about themselves and their contracts than the team (D Flaw, Diggs).

We have a slight injection of quality youth that is hard carrying (Parsons, Lamb) but he can only do so much.

I expect a good regular season. I expect us to beat weak teams. I expect Dak to put up gaudy stats. I expect injuries to surface. I expect us to bow out of the playoffs against a quality team. Honestly not sure why anyone would expect anything else.
This is the thing.....I watch too much NFL and have watched too much NFL to believe in the narrative that we can't win because we haven't in 27 years. Sorry. In order for me to believe that I have to believe in the tooth fairy and Santa Claus.

I don't listen to our "dictator" lol. I Don't listen to what BSPN or Faux says. They have built a competitive that even a biased Eagles fan can agree they have. And for the past two years they have continued to built this team well. You guys can keep being upset with Jerry for his past sins. I get it. 27 years. But don't let that stop you from enjoying a season because you still hold a grudge he fired Landry or Jimmy Johnson or because he let Romo go. It's time to hold these coaches and players accountable. I can blame Jerry for 2010 because he had Nate Livings and Bernadeau starting on the offensive line. But in 2023? Naw....it's time to win now. No more excuses.

We're top heavy? This is the deepest this team has been in years. Hell they went 4-1 without Dak. The days of a star player getting hurt and the team losing are over. And its been over since we got rid of Jason Garrett.

Aging players? One of the youngest teams in the league. Wrong again.


Tons of dead money? Sure. Who cares? It hasn't stopped us from building a team in 2023.

Defensive leaders who are concerned with their money? Funny you say this about Lawrence and Diggs but no mention of Zack Martin. It's a business. They deserve to be paid. Especially the good players.

"Slight injection of youth". Wrong again. Way to undersell this teams youth. Micah and Lamb......that's it?

No Trevon Diggs? No Tyler Smith? No Damone Clark? No Donovan Wilson? Ferguson? "Slight injection" You can't be serious lol.

And this team may go on to once again lose in the 1st round. Sure. There's only one winner. It's like you guys think you go to the store and buy a championship and just let the season play through. The greatest QB in the past 15 or so years has ONE RING lol. Yet, you gets feel so entitled that when you have a championship contender its not enough you need a Dynasty?
 

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I didn’t say that . Focus on what I say not how you read into it. I said the Jets have a better shot than they did before he arrived.
This is the issue I'm having. You have a million reasons for why we shouldn't be optimistic about this team. Nothing really about the on field product because the season hasn't played. But soon as I bring up the Jets or Eagles there's a million excuses for them and you give them the benefit of the doubt.

Fan however you want to fan. I'm not telling you how to be a fan. WE have the pessimistic fans and we have the homers and then we probably have a crowd in there that's a mix of both. But all crowds have to know when to be realistic whether it's good or bad. The facts are this team is coming off TWO 12 win seasons. Not only are they bringing those guys back but they also filled in some holes with premiere talent. This 12 win team replaced Noah Brown with Brandon Cooks and Anthony Brown with Stephen Gilmore and people want to convince me that this team has not improved or has as good of a chance to win the division as the Eagles? A team that has actually lost talent and their OC and DC but they won't be effected. And oh yeah they currently have the hardest schedule in the NFL.
 

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Weird stat I heard on the Ticket this morning....the last place team has won the division 6 of the last 11 years. I'd watch the Commanders;)
I do think they are a sleeper somewhat. I just don't know their deal. Like as currently constructed....I'd say at BEST they have the 3rd best offense in the NFC East.....and on defense....3rd or 4th best? Maybe potential to be higher? Then they have Howell at QB. I just kind of feel like they will surprise some people but also be like 9-8. I think Giants are the team that takes a step back honestly.
 

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Yaknow, this happens every year. I have no idea how, but every year, same thing. We play a bunch of youngsters in preseason for evaluation purposes, and some Yimyam uses the results to say we will suck. It's just so dumb.

Has Gilmore even played? Has Dak? Have you noticed that we're playing a ton of OL's just to see what we have there? Has Zach even played? Parsons, Polly, CeeDee, Tyler, Diggs, Steele, Cooks, LVE, Wilson, Biadasz?

OK, Greg, listen very carefully, because this is a very tough concept to grasp: WE ARE NOT PLAYING STARTERS.

Did you get that? I know, I know, it's just so hard.
 

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I do think they are a sleeper somewhat. I just don't know their deal. Like as currently constructed....I'd say at BEST they have the 3rd best offense in the NFC East.....and on defense....3rd or 4th best? Maybe potential to be higher? Then they have Howell at QB. I just kind of feel like they will surprise some people but also be like 9-8. I think Giants are the team that takes a step back honestly.
Howell was very well regarded at one point in his college career. Fell off his last season, I have no idea why. If he can play, the Commanders will be a playoff contender. Did anyone even notice they had the 3rd best D in the NFL last year? And that's w/ being on the field all the time, because their O blew chunks, and big chunks. They were terrible. Good RBs, good WRs, they have talent on O, but need to rebuild OL and get a QB who can play. They could be scary good, if they can find a QB who can play and if they can protect him.
 

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On paper fans should bye into the hype cause there's only a couple teams possibly better than them. Problem is they rarely live up to the hype so it's better to believe they are good but not great and just roll with what they actually do.
 

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Yaknow, this happens every year. I have no idea how, but every year, same thing. We play a bunch of youngsters in preseason for evaluation purposes, and some Yimyam uses the results to say we will suck. It's just so dumb.

Has Gilmore even played? Has Dak? Have you noticed that we're playing a ton of OL's just to see what we have there? Has Zach even played? Parsons, Polly, CeeDee, Tyler, Diggs, Steele, Cooks, LVE, Wilson, Biadasz?

OK, Greg, listen very carefully, because this is a very tough concept to grasp: WE ARE NOT PLAYING STARTERS.

Did you get that? I know, I know, it's just so hard.
I totally understand what you are saying, and you are right - very few of the starters have taken a snap so far in pre season. No one should be proclaiming total failure during the pre season, nor should anyone be proclaiming a super bowl win. But that wasn't what Greg's post was about. I think he was referring to the annual announcements from the media and some fans of the Cowboys destiny. There is an over generalization from the media and some fans that 'this is the year'. He's talking about that in my opinion. He didn't say anything about starters vs. backups or vice versa, and there was no mention of the team sucking after 2 pre season games.

He's talking about the media and some fans putting the team way up on this super bowl pedestal before the first game has been played. That is where the team is being 'over hyped'.
 

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I totally understand what you are saying, and you are right - very few of the starters have taken a snap so far in pre season. No one should be proclaiming total failure during the pre season, nor should anyone be proclaiming a super bowl win. But that wasn't what Greg's post was about. I think he was referring to the annual announcements from the media and some fans of the Cowboys destiny. There is an over generalization from the media and some fans that 'this is the year'. He's talking about that in my opinion.
Ah, gotcha. I seldom listen to them as they mostly have little to say of merit.

The only failure in preseason would be if the coaches were unable to evaluate players. And that's good or bad. If the evaluation of young players in preseason is bad, great, that means the evalution procedure worked.
 
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They may always screw it up but at least they make changes. Some day they might get it right and find a guy who will build a winner. Better than an 80 year old clown show handing control over to his moron son.
What changes have the Jets made over the years? They literally suck and suck and suck and suck and they finally for once stopped messing up draft picks. Jets are the model organization huh? And it's funny the 80 year old clown show has been better than the Jets.
 

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What changes have the Jets made over the years? They literally suck and suck and suck and suck and they finally for once stopped messing up draft picks. Jets are the model organization huh? And it's funny the 80 year old clown show has been better than the Jets.
Debateable. Jets were a super bowl contender at one point. They had a championship D.
 

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On paper fans should bye into the hype cause there's only a couple teams possibly better than them. Problem is they rarely live up to the hype so it's better to believe they are good but not great and just roll with what they actually do.
It's not hype though lol. There are about 6 or 7 teams that right now have a shot at winning a championship. About 6 or 7 teams are getting hype. Only one can win. It's wide open.
 

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Debateable. Jets were a super bowl contender at one point. They had a championship D.
I mean that's fair if you want to believe that but I can't say a Mark Sanchez led team was a SB Contender. No disrespect to him but yeah I just didn't see it but it's been so long I might be forgetting.
 

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Hey if you still believe in Jerry that is your right and that is OK by me. Perhaps you have not been around for the last 27 years. Perhaps you never experienced the glory that was Jimmy. Perhaps you never experienced the incredible machine that was Landry. Whatever your reasons are for still believing that is great. I am happy for you. We all hope for the same thing. Go Cowboys.
 

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Beat the Pats. Didn't they make the champ game that year?
You could be right honestly it's a blur. I just remember them having a defense under Rex and being limited. Always a contender but falling short until it got him fired and they never got back. Think even Brett had a small run in there somewhere.
 

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There is zero over hype. There are 3 top teams right now in the NFC, and not really a 4th. This can/will change as the season moves on, but who would we rate higher? The NFC is incredibly weak compared to the AFC.
 
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