CFZ Cowboys over hyped

[lopey]

That we are a playoff contender , not SB contender .

Now that could change if we could win our division and get a couple hole playoff games.

Doesn’t it mean the same thing. Make playoffs and your a contender by definition

 

[rambo2]

Doesn’t it mean the same thing. Make playoffs and your a contender by definition

Any team that wins 12 games is a contender.

 

[Diehardblues]

Doesn’t it mean the same thing. Make playoffs and your a contender by definition

Being a Wild Card needing to win 3 playoff games on the road isn’t what I’d necessarily call serious SB contender.

 

[conner01]

9-8

I see no reason to believe a team that’s won 12 in back to back seasons and added a much better reciever to the mix is gonna be worse
Are they a SB team? Time will tell but I think playoff team is a reasonable expectation

 

[Diehardblues]

This is the issue I'm having. You have a million reasons for why we shouldn't be optimistic about this team. Nothing really about the on field product because the season hasn't played. But soon as I bring up the Jets or Eagles there's a million excuses for them and you give them the benefit of the doubt.

Fan however you want to fan. I'm not telling you how to be a fan. WE have the pessimistic fans and we have the homers and then we probably have a crowd in there that's a mix of both. But all crowds have to know when to be realistic whether it's good or bad. The facts are this team is coming off TWO 12 win seasons. Not only are they bringing those guys back but they also filled in some holes with premiere talent. This 12 win team replaced Noah Brown with Brandon Cooks and Anthony Brown with Stephen Gilmore and people want to convince me that this team has not improved or has as good of a chance to win the division as the Eagles? A team that has actually lost talent and their OC and DC but they won't be effected. And oh yeah they currently have the hardest schedule in the NFL.

Again you’ve misread my post. I didn’t say we shouldn’t be optimistic about this team. Im just arguing the SB hype is too much,

I’m excited we could become a more legit contender. But I’ll need to see how the season plays out. If we can win our division then it definitively elevated our status.

 

[Diehardblues]

It's not hype though lol. There are about 6 or 7 teams that right now have a shot at winning a championship. About 6 or 7 teams are getting hype. Only one can win. It's wide open.

It’s difficult for me to hype any team for the SB that 1.) haven’t been to a championship game recently , and 2.) dont win their division playing at least 1 playoff game at home.

My SB contenders going into the season are Phi, SF, KC, Buff and Cinn.

This could change as the season unfolds. Cowboys could become one of those teams which elevates themself especially if they win division.

But based on recent history and lack of playoff success I’d be hesitant about placing them in the group before any games are played. They need to earn that level of hype.

 

[cowboys5xsbs]

You could’ve said the same last year but there’s much fewer OL concerns this season. Last year Tyron was already down with most people saying he’d never play again, Tyler Smith was a huge reach who was going to be worthless trash, Biadasz was trash and Steele was a huge question mark. They won 12 games without their starting OL playing a single game together. This year seems much more optimistic on the OL to me.

Our oline was much deeper last year. We has solid backups at gaurd and takle. This year we don't.

 

[nightrain]

This team isn't the same old team. They are very good.

Until they break the barrier of the Divisional Round, it's nothing more than we have seen post SB XXX.

 

[rambo2]

Until they break the barrier of the Divisional Round, it's nothing more than we have seen post SB XXX.

Lol, has absolutely nothing to do with the current outstanding team. That's like taking the Mahomes Chiefs back to the Lenny Dawson days.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Again you’ve misread my post. I didn’t say we shouldn’t be optimistic about this team. Im just arguing the SB hype is too much,

I’m excited we could become a more legit contender. But I’ll need to see how the season plays out. If we can win our division then it definitively elevated our status.

I didn’t misread your post that’s exactly what I’m saying. You’re saying we shouldn’t be optimistic about our title chances correct?

 

[Diehardblues]

I didn’t misread your post that’s exactly what I’m saying. You’re saying we shouldn’t be optimistic about our title chances correct?

No, I’m saying we shouldn’t be hyping we are a SB legit contender.

I’m ok with being hopeful or even optimistic there’s a shot . But hyping it is a different level.

To me it’s like a B student saying they are going to be top in the class before they even make an A. Let’s prove we are serious contenders and stop talking about it.

 

[Deionindahood]

This is silly. So Jets have no shot because of their history?

Every team has a "shot." It's the probability of that shot becoming reality that is different amongst teams. History is a good indicator of future success as well. The Jets most recent + .500 season was 2015, when they went 10-5. Since then, they finished in the bottom of the AFC east each consecutive year. They consistently picked high in the draft, with the lowest spot being 11th in the 2016 draft. After all those years picking in the top 5, don't you think they would have built an All-Pro roster? The issue with poor performing teams is talent evaluation. To build a winning team, you need great draft picks. Look at the Pats and Chiefs for example. Jerry is not good at drafting, and it shows. Why do you think we've stank since 1996? Jerry could no longer spend his way to a SB. It's now essential for drafting well. So yes, the Jets have a chance, but it's not a great one.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Every team has a "shot." It's the probability of that shot becoming reality that is different amongst teams. History is a good indicator of future success as well. The Jets most recent + .500 season was 2015, when they went 10-5. Since then, they finished in the bottom of the AFC east each consecutive year. They consistently picked high in the draft, with the lowest spot being 11th in the 2016 draft. After all those years picking in the top 5, don't you think they would have built an All-Pro roster? The issue with poor performing teams is talent evaluation. To build a winning team, you need great draft picks. Look at the Pats and Chiefs for example. Jerry is not good at drafting, and it shows. Why do you think we've stank since 1996? Jerry could no longer spend his way to a SB. It's now essential for drafting well. So yes, the Jets have a chance, but it's not a great one.

So the Cowboys draft poor but the Jets, Pats and Chiefs draft well? I Think you need to check out the last I don't know 10 years of Cowboys draft history. It will compare with some of the best teams in the league.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

No, I’m saying we shouldn’t be hyping we are a SB legit contender.

I’m ok with being hopeful or even optimistic there’s a shot . But hyping it is a different level.

To me it’s like a B student saying they are going to be top in the class before they even make an A. Let’s prove we are serious contenders and stop talking about it.

Ok I guess I'm misunderstanding you.....what do you consider to be "hyping up"?

As far as your analogy goes that's just not how the NFL works. To use your own analogy you can literally make a F one season and make a A the next by winning a SB.

 

[FVSTONE]

Here we are again heading into the season with the Cowboys predicted by too many fans to be a SB contender without any recent playoff success.

If we aren’t even picked to win our division then we’d have to win 3 playoff games on the road .

I understand our defense should be better and we are revamping our offense but our new offensive scheme is totally unproven . And I understand the NFC appears down with most of the better QB’s and teams in AFC.

But why would we propel ourselves ahead other more proven teams and QB’s in the NFC like Phil and SF. Both with more recent playoff success , NFC championship & SB appearances .

Even with departure of Brady and Rodgers from NFC which appears to take those two teams from contention there is still 2 other QB’s in NFC with playoff success and SB appearances which I’ll be watching to see if their teams have turned around . One is considered by many to be one of the teams to watch for this year.

But until we can take the next step in the playoffs kicking down the huge monkey on our backs along with our QB’s back then I’d argue we are still more SB Pretenders than Contenders until further evidence.

This doesn’t mean we can’t have some positive mojo heading into this season. We have had two consecutive 12 win seasons and finally won a road playoff game but IMO it’s not enough for the SB Hype .

I’m looking forward to see how this team develops offensively and defensively. Can we win our division . If we can then our chances increase if we can get a playoff game or two at home. At that time then we can begin setting higher expectations . I’m not sure why some fans need to have this hype surrounding our team to get excited about the season.

Excellent post, but you'll probably get blasted for posting by all the Homies on this site. The Boys will be lucky to place 3rd in their division.....BOOK IT!

 

[Diehardblues]

Ok I guess I'm misunderstanding you.....what do you consider to be "hyping up"?

As far as your analogy goes that's just not how the NFL works. To use your own analogy you can literally make a F one season and make a A the next by winning a SB.

Yea but those teams making a F are not hyping their team as a SB contender .

 

[Diehardblues]

Ok I guess I'm misunderstanding you.....what do you consider to be "hyping up"?

As far as your analogy goes that's just not how the NFL works. To use your own analogy you can literally make a F one season and make a A the next by winning a SB.

But those teams making a F aren’t hyping their team as a SB contender. That’s my point. It doesn’t mean it can’t happen.

 

[Diehardblues]

Excellent post, but you'll probably get blasted for posting by all the Homies on this site. The Boys will be lucky to place 3rd in their division.....BOOK IT!

It’s just a more realistic outlook.

It’s time for us to put up or shut up.

Stop the hype and prove it on the field .

I think some fans just need to believe we are a SB contender to get fired up for the season .

 

[rambo2]

It’s just a more realistic outlook.

It’s time for us to put up or shut up.

Stop the hype and prove it on the field .

I think some fans just need to believe we are a SB contender to get fired up for the season .

There is doubt that the current team is a contender today.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

But those teams making a F aren’t hyping their team as a SB contender. That’s my point. It doesn’t mean it can’t happen.

Jets and Lions are EXTREMELY HYPED right now.