Cowboys private workout w/ Joey Bosa

[BigStar]

If you believe Goff is worth the No. 4 pick, then I don't blame you for wanting to take him. My belief is that the ceiling for Goff is not as high as the ceiling for Lynch. It's possible even that Cook will turn out better than both when some work is done on his teaching him to reset his feet when he has to move out of the pocket.

Wentz appears to be the best QB of the bunch, but even with him I'm not sure how much better he is as a prospect than Lynch. I do know his stock really shot up after the season. I'm not really sure what that says about him.

Bosa was under greater scrutiny because he played so well the previous year and was considered a top draft prospect then. That scrutiny also brought him more attention from opposing teams and still he's considered either the top prospect in this draft or among the top.

My concern is we're overrating the QBs because we have a need to find Romo's replacement. Is there an Andrew Luck in the bunch, or is it more like the next three QBs taken in the first round that year: Griffin, Tannehill and Weeden? If the latter is the case, then we might be better off taking the Brock Osweiler equivalent in the second round or the Russell Wilson equivalent in the third.

I do not believe that Bosa will fail as a pick. At worst, he might only be a solid starter at left end during his career. I cannot say the same about these QBs. I believe Wentz definitely has the tools and head to succeed, but there have been other QBs who seemed to have those things who failed.

As I've said, I'm not going to be upset if Wentz is there and Dallas takes him, because if the team has rated him worthy of the pick then I want them to trust their scouts/board. Same with Goff. I'm also not going to be upset if their scouts/board says neither is worthy of the No. 4 pick and they take Bosa or Ramsey instead.

You have some good points and feel your side of the coin. Bosa scares me a little tbh, but great post. We very well could be overrating the QBs bc of Romo (knowingly or not, etc.) it just seems like oddly good timing to have a chance at one of the top QBs while your own franchise QB is still highly functioning (when healthy) but is getting older and showing signs of wear and tear over the last few seasons (back, ribs, clavicle).

If Lynch is the player they see as the one providing the best talent over time, I could see a Ramsey pick (if there) and then trade back into late 1st for Lynch scenario. Bosa is not a bad player by any means, it's just that he isn't the edge rusher I would want in a blue chip defender and don't see him being a Watt type of influence @ LE in a 4-3. The rumors and positive drug tests don't help as I have no problem with weed, but the league does and we're currently going down that road with Gregory whom I support as a late 2nd rounder (don't cut him, let him mature a bit to understand WHEN weed should be smoked).

 

[conner01]

For me, it's Wentz, Bosa, Goff, Ramsey.

Tunsil is a non-starter, too much currency wasted on one unit.

My thinking too. But my guess is the teams board doesn't have Goff that high. Just my gut feeling but I think Wentz is the only QB they would take at 4

 

[gimmesix]

You have some good points and feel your side of the coin. Bosa scares me a little tbh, but great post. We very well could be overrating the QBs bc of Romo (knowingly or not, etc.) it just seems like oddly good timing to have a chance at one of the top QBs while your own franchise QB is still highly functioning (when healthy) but is getting older and showing signs of wear and tear over the last few seasons (back, ribs, clavicle).

If Lynch is the player they see as the one providing the best talent over time, I could see a Ramsey pick (if there) and then trade back into late 1st for Lynch scenario. Bosa is not a bad player by any means, it's just that he isn't the edge rusher I would want in a blue chip defender and don't see him being a Watt type of influence @ LE in a 4-3. The rumors and positive drug tests don't help as I have no problem with weed, but the league does and we're currently going down that road with Gregory whom I support as a late 2nd rounder (don't cut him, let him mature a bit to understand WHEN weed should be smoked).

If drug problems prove to be true, then I agree that Dallas should stay away from Bosa.

 

[texbumthelife]

It's absolutely not a dumb argument at all. If you don't believe in bloodlines and how it translates to athletes, that's your business.

Bosa in college had a lot of similar traits to his father - power player, high effort guy. Thing was, when his father then faced better athletes and competition, he was shown to be a stiff. Same thing for his uncle.

Now, I think that Joey is better than his old man, largely because of his hand work as a player. It also wouldn't take much to be better than his old man, because his old man couldn't play a lick in the NFL. That being said, I think Bosa looks to be, as I said earlier, a workmanlike type player, and not a star. I don't think he's a difference maker. At #4, you should expect to get a star and a difference maker.

Joey Bosa isn't that guy.

Your arguing bloodlines but ignoring the fact that none of these other kids even have NFL blood in them. The fact that Bosa has immediate family that played in the NFL should be a positive, not a negative.

How good was Wentz's dad in the NFL? Goff's? Tunsils'? Ramsey's? They never played pro football? They weren't even good enough to make it that far. So by this bloodlines logic, those guys will never be worth a damn.

 

[gimmesix]

Your arguing bloodlines but ignoring the fact that none of these other kids even have NFL blood in them. The fact that Bosa has immediate family that played in the NFL should be a positive, not a negative.

How good was Wentz's dad in the NFL? Goff's? Tunsils'? Ramsey's? They never played pro football? They weren't even good enough to make it that far. So by this bloodlines logic, those guys will never be worth a damn.

Works the other way as well. Walter Payton was one of the all-time greats. His son? Not so much.

There have been poor NFL pros whose sons starred and great NFL pros whose sons sucked. Then there have been NFL pros who sucked and their sons sucked as well.

 

[texbumthelife]

Works the other way as well. Walter Payton was one of the all-time greats. His son? Not so much.

There have been poor NFL pros whose sons starred and great NFL pros whose sons sucked. Then there have been NFL pros who sucked and their sons sucked as well.

I completely agree. I am not the one making the bloodline argument. I just think it's ridiculous that having an NFL pedigree would be held against him because his father and uncle weren't great pros. They still made it to the NFL, that's quite a bloodline if you ask me.

 

[Chuck 54]

I'm a Bosa fan. I don't feel all your rushmen need to have elite speed. This guy is a scrapper with tremendous technique and moves that allow him to beat blockers and get into the backfield, along with a great motor. The very fact that you'd have a top draft pick walk in on day one and start at LDE, working against RT's in a league that doesn't even feature many great left tackles is exciting to me. With Lawrence, Gregory, and now the kid from Oakland, to me the last thing we need is another speedy RDE.

And he's coming into the NFL at 20 years old, ala Tyron Smith....at age 20 he's been All Big ten rookie of the year, all Big ten for two years, and an All American. He's been rated at the top of all the big boards, and despite all the scrutiny and trying to find something wrong with his game, he's still at the top. No one has seen this kids best football yet.

 

[big dog cowboy]

And he's coming into the NFL at 20 years old, ala Tyron Smith.

The problem is we blew that pick. Big time.

Don't get me wrong I love Tyron, but we passed on JJ Watt for crying out loud.

 

[gimmesix]

Here's a good article on Bosa being worth the pick:

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By Mark Eckel | For NJ Advance Media
on March 28, 2016 at 6:00 AM, updated March 28, 2016 at 6:03 AM


There was sentiment getting started that Ohio State defensive end Joey Bosa isn't all he is hyped up to be and could fall a few spots in the NFL Draft.

Don't tell that to the men who actually make the selections.

"He's the real deal,'' an executive in personnel for a NFC team said. "If anyone tries to tell you anything different, don't listen to them. They're lying to you. This guy can do it all. He dominates games like no other player in this draft.''

Bosa, 6-5, 275, had 26 sacks and 51 tackles for loss in 37 games for the Buckeyes. Only five of those sacks came last season, but he faced constant double and triple team blocking. And he still made 16 tackles behind the line.

"Offenses threw everything they had at him,'' another scout said. "And he still made plays. And what he also did was make all the other players on that defense better. Those other guys are going to get drafted higher, because of him. They owe him.''

Ohio State defensive tackle Adolphus Washington could be a high second-round pick, linebacker Darron Lee will be a first-round pick and linebacker Josh Perry could be a second, or third-round pick. Cornerback Eli Apple will also be a first-round pick.

Boss is expected to go somewhere in the top five picks of the draft, maybe higher if a team trades up for him. It would be a surprise if he fell past the Dallas Cowboys at No. 4.

"He's a top-three, top-four player," said an AFC scout. "He could be the first pick in the draft. I think if we had the No. 1 pick, he would be. He's fast. He's strong. He can play the run and he rushes the passer well.''

 

[DeaconMoss]

He's got that "Jared Allen" craziness to him. If he can play anything close to Allen he'll be a fine selection.

Except Jared is a nice guy and doesn't rave it up

 

[reddyuta]

The problem is we blew that pick. Big time.

Don't get me wrong I love Tyron, but we passed on JJ Watt for crying out loud.

I still dont think we did,nobody thought (even me who was a fan of Watt and was my second choice behind Tyron) he would be this dominating,there was questions and his fit and transition to the NFL.

 

[Hoov]

I'm a Bosa fan. I don't feel all your rushmen need to have elite speed. This guy is a scrapper with tremendous technique and moves that allow him to beat blockers and get into the backfield, along with a great motor. The very fact that you'd have a top draft pick walk in on day one and start at LDE, working against RT's in a league that doesn't even feature many great left tackles is exciting to me. With Lawrence, Gregory, and now the kid from Oakland, to me the last thing we need is another speedy RDE.

And he's coming into the NFL at 20 years old, ala Tyron Smith....at age 20 he's been All Big ten rookie of the year, all Big ten for two years, and an All American. He's been rated at the top of all the big boards, and despite all the scrutiny and trying to find something wrong with his game, he's still at the top. No one has seen this kids best football yet.

I agree that its good to have a mix of speed and power on the DLine. Personally I prefer pass rushers that can collapse the pocket and create pressure to small speedy guys that have to come around the pocket. But I think its good to have one of each, and the same thing inside - a guy that can knife straight through and a guy that pushes everyone back.

 

[conner01]

I realize he is a very good player. My point is you can't spend every first rounder on olineman and expect to win championships. You need players at other positions.

Imagine having to keep them all together in five years, half the cap would go to one unit. The oline is plenty good enough now as is, I don't think adding another first rounder moves the needle all that much.

You also can't spend that much on one spot
It's going to be much harder than fans think just to keep smith, Fred, Martin and Collins. Add another first rnd pick and one ends up leaving after his rookie deal. Wouldn't shock me if one does of those guys anyway

 

[big dog cowboy]

I still dont think we did,nobody thought (even me who was a fan of Watt and was my second choice behind Tyron) he would be this dominating,there was questions and his fit and transition to the NFL.

I agree with that. The one big thing the scouts clearly missed about Watt was the size of his drive and desire. To think we missed on a player who has been DPOY a NFL tying 3 times in 5 years and just turned 27 is sickening.

 

[YosemiteSam]

I would think he'd move inside on the nickel to play tackle next to Crawford with Lawrence and Mayowa/Gregory on the outside.

Why when we will trade back into the first and draft Vernon Butler?

 

[garyv]

Was that Street Fighter or a workout?

I think Bosa will have a long career, but I'm not sold on him as a 15 sack guy year in and year out. I don't doubt his hassle or drive one bit though.

JD on the NFL Network stated Joey Bosa will be a solid Pro for 10 years and be very good against the run but as far as sacks go want be a
Sack Artist will get you 7 or 8 a year.