RELEASED Cowboys Release DE Damontre Moore

[xwalker]

I was going to break my TV if I saw Mayowa crash inside again and watch the TB run right through where he should have been.

In this scheme when a DE crashes inside, a LB is responsible for covering that spot if it's a run.

 

[xwalker]

Then it's a bad point. Hyde was a $14MM guarantee on a guy you expect to be a mid-level SS for the next 5-6 years. He gets you ~65 tackles and 4 picks or so, but you pay a premium for him, and you move away from developing a guy behind him since you had to commit to more than the length of a rookie contract to get him to sign. Heath's a guy you get with a ~$2MM commitment, and he either pans out for you, or you plug in Woods/Awuzie and move on, singing Awuzie if he can play to that long term deal and limiting your risk in the process.

Again, the problem wasn't with the stop-gap. The problem comes in if you don't hit on your draft picks. Frazier, Awuzie, Woods. If none of those guys hit, you have troubles.

You're also doing a bit of 20/20 hindsight on Hyde, by the way. He's taking the ball away at a higher rate in BUF than he ever did in his rookie deal.

I watch almost all Green Bay games. Hyde just an OK player there.

 

[T-RO]

Recently, Jones has acted in an equally impulsive manner with his defensive draft picks. His first 2 rounds have been bust mountain for the last half decade, putting us in a huge defensive talent deficit. We need to patch up key defensive poisons like safety with quality FA's, because of his out of market wild cat defensive drafts.

I'd agree with this criticism if you'd scale the "bust mountain" to a hill. Teams are going to miss on picks--it goes with the territory. The problem is we haven't had any home runs, and some guys have stalled w/health issues. (Lawrence and Tapper w/ back, Jaylon's nerve)

Recent whiffs:
Lawrence

Recent hits (relative to draft slot):
Collins, Brown, Woods, Lewis, Lawrence, Hitchens, Wilson, Wilcox

Mildly Disappointing:
B Jones

Still too early to say:
Jalen Smith, Taco*, Frazier, Tapper, Awuzie

*early returns not promising

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Lately, yes. Especially with the double whammy of Carroll washing out and Awuzie getting hurt.

Even if they're getting 10 comp picks they shouldn't be wasted.

Kudos to your boy Crawford, he's actually playing pretty well. Surprising me out there at RDE.

None of that excuses flushing $10 million down the toilet on Carroll and Thornton and having holes at each position. That's not cap related, that's awful talent evaluation.

Some serious rose colored glass here. Mayowa? Benched. On his way out of town. If he was cheaper, he'd already be gone. Tapper? On IR last I checked - yet again. What's he contributing? And Taco? I'm trying to be kind here.

Picked up off the scrap heap. Now being talked up because he's the last man standing at that position. It will be nice if he ever develops into something, but he's not there yet.

Some of them? Sure, like the names you mention below. Others? Not so much. And if they were, this team would have no problems. But they do.

Some of the time, sure. But you yourself just put Irving at DT. And as much as I like what Crawford is doing, he's not beating any good left tackles he's facing either. I'm realistic about that. I'm just happy he knows what outside contain means.

Most 6th round picks are busts and do not make it out of TC. Getting a year out of a guy that is better than Carroll is a wash IMO.

Outside of cap implications, what difference does a player's salary have on competition? If the contracts are not going to impact the Cowboys ability to sign their own players or FA then it is inconsequential. As it stands, we can franchise DLaw, resign Martin, sign our draft picks and be substantial players in FA next year without having to restructure or cut any players. Then we have 10 draft picks to play with.

I have no idea what is being said about Price. I don't pay attention to what the mediots say when I can look for myself. It's not like they are watching practice anyway. Price is able to anchor double teams, disengage to make tackles in his gap, and get push rushing the passer. He is not a dynamic pass rusher but he is an NFL quality 2 down player.

The bottomline is that for the most part the DL has not been the issue. It's been run fits for LB and middle coverage neither of which are the DL's responsibility.

 

[Vanilla2]

/thread

 

[Verdict]

All of our handy dandy cheap free agents are gone and the season is not even half over.

All hail McClay?

There is no doubt it was a whiff and miss but at least the contracts aren't back breakers and it's not like McClay hasn't unearthed a few gems. Win some lose some.

We overpaid for Carroll, but at least it's not a back breaker.

 

[Verdict]

Nothing it does not even come close to the 2008 and 2009 off-season. I get what you're saying though. Just like then, they get complacent. It's more of the "one piece away" homeristic mentality of an owner overvaluing his own players.

Actually it's the opposite of the one player away mantra. If we were one player away you would see a Ware type of signing instead of bargin bin players.

 

[Verdict]

Again, more dishonesty.

Maybe don't sign a CB? Instead, how about instead of paying Carroll $4MM. Find $2MM more and sign Hyde who is an infinitely better SS than Heath? Or maybe use that Carroll money and sign a real 1 tech? Or if you really want a CB, sign a guy like Patrick Robinson someone they were interested in the previous year, to a cheap one year deal like Philly did.

It's embarrassing that you think they basically only had the options in FA of either signing drek like Carroll and Moore or signing big name FAs like Bouye.

Every team misses on players. No team is exempt. I don't blame the team for missing so much as I blame them for way over paying for Carroll.

 

[Verdict]

You don't guarantee $4 million for a two-week player. And "stopgap" players play a season or more, not less than two months. Those aren't "stopgaps" , those are poor decisions and mistakes.



So admitting their mistakes somehow means they didn't make them? Cool story, bro.

The sad fact is that every decision they've made on personnel this offseason has been a bad one. From who the young decided to let go, to who they brought in to replace them. Every single one of them has shown to be the wrong move.

And Damontre Moore is just the latest in a string of examples.

It was a bad decision to sign Carroll. It was a good decision to cut him loose. He was bringing nothing to the table. Better to own up to a mistake than perpetuating the mistake.

It MAY Jane been a bad decision to draft Taco. Forcing playing time is perpetuating a questionable draft pick.


We overpaid Dez. Now we are forcing the ball to him to justify the contract. Around and round we go.

 

[Verdict]

I won't argue that there weren't similarly-priced guys out there across the league who ended up being better values or who would have been better signings than the guys we kept/brought in. Obviously, we whiffed on some of those guys, and that hurts us. But a certain amount of whiffing on players comes with the dinner, right? And the whole idea on buying low is to keep from betting big on a guy you don't know will fit or where you don't know what sort of person or effort you're really going to get.

But, if you're going to build through the draft, you can't miss on guys like Gregory and Jaylon and Awuzie, and Taco. You're saying "I'll go light at FA, because I'm going to make it up in the draft," only you don't make it up in the draft, you crap the bed, instead. If that was your plan, and you didn't fill the holes you thought you could fill using your valuable draft resources, then that's where you place the blame. It's not that we need better stop-gaps. It's that we can't keep whiffing on core defensive starters we draft to develop and expect to get any better.

Correct. We tend to swing Forbes the feces with guys like Jaylon and Gregory. Neither have panned out, yet.

Drafting a guy like Hitchens is the opposite. He is never going to be very good, and his ceiling isn't very high, but his floor is high too. He will pay some level of dividends.

I am OK with some level of risk. Gregory was a piss poor risk. Jaylon is a better risk in that his character is good. So if he becomes a player he is not a perpetual problem.

 

[Verdict]

Thanks.



But that's just it with Paea. It wasn't a "surprise". They knew it when they signed him and it was flailing up the entire offseason. Everyone thought they could manage it and they were wrong. And they counted on him to be their starting 1-technique. That's poor planning, not "surprise".



I don't see any support for that claim. I have a list of personnel moves that have blown up in their faces saying otherwise.



I like the future too, just not as much as I once did. And poor personnel decisions weaken that faith in the future. The "holes" this team has were of their own doing. Every choice they had to make was the wrong one.

I am much more pissed off about the potential miss inn taco than I am all of the free agent signings. They were bargain bin signings. Taco was a premium draft pick.

 

[Verdict]

Bingo, that’s the real problem, who was allowed to leave this offseason. Having said that we’re probably 5-1 or 4-2 if Irving, Lee and Hitchens had played all 6 games.

Losing McClain was a big loss in my opinion.

 

[Verdict]

The Cowboys dig out Carroll out of the bargain bin. They should have paid bargain bin price for him. That's my biggest complaint of the offseason. It pisses me off more than the Miss on the player.

 

[whynot]

Correct. We tend to swing Forbes the feces with guys like Jaylon and Gregory. Neither have panned out, yet.

I know what you meant, but I like what you said!

 

[Cmac]

After 13-3 season......still an accident waiting to happen. Team winning on talent, and losing on lack of talent (includes FO and coaches).

 

[Cmac]

......let's see.......you can look bad in game/on film and continue smiling.....bring doughnuts & coffee to meetings.....remain squeaky clean.....stand at attention for the "General".......be lowered on the depth chart and continue smiling.....be clean shaven.......then you have a job with the Dallas Cowboys. Guess who?

Please get this show on Hard Knocks.....so we can see it.

 

[Stash]

Most 6th round picks are busts and do not make it out of TC. Getting a year out of a guy that is better than Carroll is a wash IMO.

Wasting a 6th round pick on a guy you never put on the field is a waste. No spinning that differently. The Carroll mistake just leads into another.

Outside of cap implications, what difference does a player's salary have on competition? If the contracts are not going to impact the Cowboys ability to sign their own players or FA then it is inconsequential. As it stands, we can franchise DLaw, resign Martin, sign our draft picks and be substantial players in FA next year without having to restructure or cut any players. Then we have 10 draft picks to play with.

Because it all counts. Every contract a team signs affects another. You can't separate one from another. It's one pool of money. Every smart move saves you money to roll into future years and every dumb one takes away from that.

I have no idea what is being said about Price. I don't pay attention to what the mediots say when I can look for myself. It's not like they are watching practice anyway. Price is able to anchor double teams, disengage to make tackles in his gap, and get push rushing the passer. He is not a dynamic pass rusher but he is an NFL quality 2 down player.

I hope that's the case. Now and going forward. But let's not try to kid ourselves into thinking that any "plan" included having a Green Bay practice player be our 1-tech tackle.

The bottomline is that for the most part the DL has not been the issue. It's been run fits for LB and middle coverage neither of which are the DL's responsibility.

It's also been a failure in outside containment. A major reason why Benson Mayowa isn't even active anymore. As for a "bottom line" on the defensive line, some are playing well, and some aren't doing anything, or aren't doing as well as hoped for based on past performance, like Maliek Collins.

 

[Stash]

It was a bad decision to sign Carroll. It was a good decision to cut him loose. He was bringing nothing to the table. Better to own up to a mistake than perpetuating the mistake.

No argument there. I'm just not going to cover my eyes to that mistake or pathetically try to minimize it like some other fans feels obligated to do.

It MAY Jane been a bad decision to draft Taco. Forcing playing time is perpetuating a questionable draft pick.

The way I'm looking at it right now, who is he keeping off the field? Benson Mayowa? Another free agent bust? I'm fine with that. Charlton may actually have some upside. Mayowa can't even manage to keep his running game responsibilities.

 

[Stash]

I am much more pissed off about the potential miss inn taco than I am all of the free agent signings. They were bargain bin signings. Taco was a premium draft pick.

You're preaching to the choir. I'm a TJ Watt guy.

Hey Garrett! Hey Marinelli! How's your call on Taco looking right about now?

 

[dfense]

I totally disagree. The big debacle is giving premium contracts to old players on the downside of their career.

With our willingness to turn the page w/youth we added talent and acquired 3 extra compensatory draft picks.

You really can't win. If the front office signs old guys and cash straps the team people complain. If they go with cheaper youth and draft picks, people complain.