RELEASED Cowboys Release DE Damontre Moore

[dfense]

You're preaching to the choir. I'm a TJ Watt guy.

Hey Garrett! Hey Marinelli! How's your call on Taco looking right about now?

TJ Watt is a linebacker. They already tried using DeMarcus Ware at DE and it failed.

 

[Sydla]

In this scheme when a DE crashes inside, a LB is responsible for covering that spot if it's a run.

Except he got benched last year for that exact reason. And he's doing it again, and I suspect that's largely why he's finding himself inactive.

 

[Sydla]

And I really am loving the cherry picking in hindsight that people are doing to criticize the Cowboys. I do not recall a lot of talk about Hyde or these other FA in March. It was all about Bouye, Gilmore, and Perry.

Yeah, that's not true. There was quite a lot of discussion over mid-tiered free agents like a Hyde or a Logan.

 

[Sydla]

I didn't say they'll just fix it in the next draft. Or anything remotely like that. I said you're blaming the wrong talent acquisition channel altogether.

The cap space needs to go to Martin and Lawrence and Dak and Elliott and the other 2016 rookies in the chute.

But that's kind of what you are saying when you keep talking about just use the draft and basically use FA as they have used FA - signing camp fodder bodies for the most part.

It's all the same talent evaluation. They aren't very good at defensive drafting. They aren't very good at recognizing solid, 2nd level FA defensive players either. When you stink at drafting and stink at the FA market, guess what? You get a D like we have.

 

[Stash]

TJ Watt is a linebacker. They already tried using DeMarcus Ware at DE and it failed.

So was Charles Haley. A good coach made that work.

Watt is a pass rusher, and one that actually gets sacks.

 

[Stash]

Except he got benched last year for that exact reason. And he's doing it again, and I suspect that's largely why he's finding himself inactive.

Of course it is. He's another failure on the list of failures.

If not for the money tied up in him, he'd likely be gone already. It's damning enough that he's now inactive until further notice.

 

[risco]

I'll take Gross Overreactions for $600, Alex

Gross Overreactions for 600!! Ding... You are Correct!

 

[Risen Star]

Man was I wrong on Moore. I really thought he'd stick here.

 

[Dhragon]

I'd agree with this criticism if you'd scale the "bust mountain" to a hill. Teams are going to miss on picks--it goes with the territory. The problem is we haven't had any home runs, and some guys have stalled w/health issues. (Lawrence and Tapper w/ back, Jaylon's nerve)

Recent whiffs:
Lawrence

Recent hits (relative to draft slot):
Collins, Brown, Woods, Lewis, Lawrence, Hitchens, Wilson, Wilcox

Mildly Disappointing:
B Jones

Still too early to say:
Jalen Smith, Taco*, Frazier, Tapper, Awuzie

*early returns not promising

Wow, so Lawrence was a whiff? I would get this if this was before this year, but NOW he's still a whiff? 9.5 sacks in 6 games just not quite enough for you I guess. And it's not like he hasn't looked good before when he wasn't injured. But I guess as soon as a player misses any significant time at all it's a whiff, even if they come back and perform at an elite level afterwards?

 

[Dhragon]

You're preaching to the choir. I'm a TJ Watt guy.

Hey Garrett! Hey Marinelli! How's your call on Taco looking right about now?

I was hoping for Watt as well, but you've got to give Taco some time to come into his own. Most pass rushers take years to get to a level where they really shine. Some here just do not want to give him that time to get stronger and more knowledgeable about the NFL game.

Too many people think pass rushers should hit the ground right out of college at a probowl level when very seldom is that the case. You have got to give them time, usually at least a year or two, maybe even three.

 

[Stash]

I was hoping for Watt as well, but you've got to give Taco some time to come into his own. Most pass rushers take years to get to a level where they really shine. Some here just do not want to give him that time to get stronger and more knowledgeable about the NFL game.

Too many people think pass rushers should hit the ground right out of college at a probowl level when very seldom is that the case. You have got to give them time, usually at least a year or two, maybe even three.

I'm trying to be patient. Encouraging even.

I thought Taco made some plays this past Sunday. I know he caused a 4th down incompletion and I've mentioned that a few times now. And I'm glad he'll be seeing more opportunities in place of Mayowa.

But when someone brings up the subject, I can't help but think back to that draft day decision. Watt has been ready to go since game one, and we're talking about "two or three years" for Taco?

That's rough.

 

[jjktkk]

I hope that's the case. Now and going forward. But let's not try to kid ourselves into thinking that any "plan" included having a Green Bay practice player be our 1-tech tackle.

Unless you over exaggerate to try to prove your agenda(hmm...,sound familiar), who cares how you acquire talent. Was David Irving not poached from Kansas City's practice squad?[/QUOTE]

 

[Setackin]

They cut the wrong Moore

Their getting closer lol

 

[Stash]

Unless you over exaggerate to try to prove your agenda(hmm...,sound familiar), who cares how you acquire talent. Was David Irving not poached from Kansas City's practice squad?

 

[Sydla]

Unless you over exaggerate to try to prove your agenda(hmm...,sound familiar), who cares how you acquire talent. Was David Irving not poached from Kansas City's practice squad?

I think the real point is that they aren't acquiring "talent" quick enough on D. A few too many misses in the draft and some duds from the triple sale bin in FA.

They are ready made to make a SB run on offense. A very good, low cost QB. A very good RB on a rookie deal. Experienced and talented OL.

There is a fairly sizable gap between where the O is and the D is at this point. A smart franchise would continue to focus on the draft but also use FA smartly to fill notable holes. The plan this offseason didn't really do that. They went cheap hoping to hit a few HRs at positions like the 1 tech and CB. It backfired. Luckily, it seems like they might have CBs for the future but they have a hole at SS and at DT now. Two things that could have been addressed this past offseason with smart deals that would have made this team better than it is right now.

I think some people view this as an either/or debate and that if you sign a mid-level FA or two, that somehow betrays the whole "build through the draft" model. It doesn't. Smart teams use FA to fill in the gaps.

 

[cowboyblue22]

The formula has changed 180 degrees in the past few years. The reason we were perpetually pathetic is the organization was driven by Jones' impulsive throw-money at it philosophy (if I can even suggest he had a philosophy.)

Consider the crazy impulsive moves that led to our downfall: trading two first round picks for Joey Galloway, trading two premium picks for Roy Williams (with his big contract). The signing of Brandon Carr at $50 mil.

Dallas wasn't properly valuing draft picks...and was playing heavy at the top of the free agent market. They've finally cleaned that up.

Well...they've cleaned up most of it. Jerry still can fall in love with low-character or suspect-health guys that have slid.

The affordable talent Dallas has acquired in the past 18 months is breathtaking. We now have a do-able list of needs to target. I think we can make noise this year, and next year we could be absolutely loaded.

and next year you could be racked with injuries and win four or five games

 

[xwalker]

Except he got benched last year for that exact reason. And he's doing it again, and I suspect that's largely why he's finding himself inactive.

No, it his run defense when he is not crashing down inside that is his problem.

Those inside crash-downs are part of the play call.

They've been gashed on the left side because of those also.

Durant was worst offender on not covering that gap and Jaylon has had many problems with it also.

Hitchens is much better than those 2, but he has done it a few times also.

When you see an OL out at the 2nd level, both LBs should never be on the same side of that blocker, but we've seen it happen repeatedly this season.

This was a big problem a few years ago but it had improved significantly the past couple if years.

 

[jjktkk]

What, are you having difficulty remembering which whiny post I quoted you from?

 

[Stash]

What, are you having difficulty remembering which whiny post I quoted you from?

Having difficulty understanding your point. And how David Irving has anything to do with their mistakes at the 1-technique position?

Can you clarify that please?

 

[cowboyblue22]

if it didn't cost much or whatever they still missed badly in free agency mostly because they didn't have the money and some of it was the don't know what they are doing signing one midlevel contributor on defense would of helped or keeping church would of helped