News: Cowboys restructure Fredrick's and Tyron's contracts

[haleyrules]

Well he'll have another season or maybe 2 seasons of a heyday with another team.

PJ...I really doubt Tony can stay healthy. I am even more curious to see what offers he receives. Interesting situation.

 

[jterrell]

Was this a joke?

It's been explained a thousand times over that cutting/trading Romo frees up $5M in cap room this year.

and likely won't occur until June 2nd.
trading him before the draft would be only way we'd even free up ONLY 5m.
Move him after June 2nd via cut and we'd free up all 14m of his base. 14 million dollars......

this move was to get us under the cap before the start of league year and likely allow us to start negotiations with zack martin.

very unlikely we are big money players in FA but obviously we will sign some players or resign our own.

 

[haleyrules]

and likely won't occur until June 2nd.
trading him before the draft would be only way we'd even free up ONLY 5m.
Move him after June 2nd via cut and we'd free up all 14m of his base. 14 million dollars......

this move was to get us under the cap before the start of league year and likely allow us to start negotiations with zack martin.

very unlikely we are big money players in FA but obviously we will sign some players or resign our own.

This is why Tony will be released.

 

[jterrell]

PJ...I really doubt Tony can stay healthy. I am even more curious to see what offers he receives. Interesting situation.

Sam Bradford got 2 years 36 million. Oswhatever got 4 years 72 million.
Ryan Fitzgerald got 1 year 12 million.

TR is probably looking at a 3 year deal that's really 1 or 2.
As a FA I am fairly certain he easily surpasses the 14m he was due in base salary this year. Which is why I believe his agent will constantly float that he wants to be released.

I'd guesstimate 3 years 40m reported...
Really 14m SB
year 1 vet min 1.2m --cap hit 5.5m
year 2 5 m roster bonus
year 2 base 3m
year 3 10m base

~7m in unlikely to be earned incentives such as All Pro/Games started/SB.

Deal makes it clear he's a day 1 starter but reality is they could cut bait after 1 year easily enough.

 

[jterrell]

This is why Tony will be released.

not sure i buy that.**should say FULLY buy that. do think it is a factor to be sure; just not necessary the overriding factor which may be what the couple TR approved teams offer.
his cap hit will come regardless, not sure it makes sense to pay say a 3rd round pick to eat it later versus now.
we are already under the cap with 2 moves. will get 5m more AT LEAST.
can free up 10-20m pretty easily.

keep in mind that an R3 pick is likely expected to step in and help us year 1 which saves us cap money.
for instance at Safety instead of resigning Church or at WR instead of resigning TWill or at CB instead of resigning Carr/Mo.

 

[haleyrules]

Cowboys create cap room by restructuring contracts

Posted by Darin Gantt on February 20, 2017, 4:12 PM EST

The Cowboys’ annual game of kick the can has begun in earnest.

According to Todd Archer of ESPN.com, the Cowboys have freed up $17.3 million in short-term cap space by restructuring the contracts of left tackle Tyron Smith and center Travis Frederick.

Such moves are standard operating procedure in Dallas, where they’re always pushing money into future years for present relief. They do it by turning base salary into bonuses, allowing them to prorate the hit over future years.

The moves would have them under the suggested salary cap of $168 million.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/02/20/cowboys-create-cap-room-by-restructuring-contracts/

Is it a good long term strategy? It seems ill conceived and harmful longterm? I don't really know the answer.

 

[jterrell]

Is it a good long term strategy? It seems ill conceived and harmful longterm? I don't really know the answer.

think it depends on how often you do it and with whom you do it with.
a wildcard on medication? not a good idea... see mr ratliff.
a franchise cornerstone like witten, proved to never be an issue.

i feel tyron and frederick are great guys to do with with.
they aren't gonna get fat and happy and even if injured you'd keep them around and let them heal for a good season plus like we did with sean lee.

but with a guy like sean lee? i wouldn't do it.

but you also have to start planning for dak. that's not gonna be a cheap contract.

 

[Cowboy4ever]

More like bracing for the cap hit when we cut Romo. I hate to say it...but I think it's coming. Romo woud be the perfect back up if he just realized his heyday was over.

37 year old QB w/ multiple injures...hanging on to get one last chance for a ring. Sound familiar?

I cant' think of one situation where the backup was clearly the better QB on a team. Generally, veteran back ups have either been middle of the road starters that have declined or never that great QBs that could only be a back up. Tony doesn't fit either category. Dak has a lot of promise. I hope he is everything we think he can be. But the book is still out. The only thing he has over Tony is the ability to be healthy. And we don't know if Tony can't stay healthy at this point. The only injury that is concerning is the disc issue, but he is a long ways removed from that injury. A Broken bone or two, I do not worry about.. the odds of that happening again are slim. So we will see how this plays out.. but Tony is not going to, nor should he back up a 2nd year QB who is the inferior QB. Kellen Moore fits that mold, a never going to be anything QB so he backs up.. that's not Tony Romo.

 

[Setackin]

There will come a time when Smith has a huge cap number and people will be like "he's not worth his cap hit" ignoring the repeated small cap hits he's had over the years due to restructures.

It may seem far-fetched...but it's going to happen.

Why I hate restructuring every offseason... i understand using occasionally to help sign FAs, but the Cowboys do it so much, it forces them to cut players and take massive dead money hits...

 

[StarBoyz83]

think it depends on how often you do it and with whom you do it with.
a wildcard on medication? not a good idea... see mr ratliff.
a franchise cornerstone like witten, proved to never be an issue.

i feel tyron and frederick are great guys to do with with.
they aren't gonna get fat and happy and even if injured you'd keep them around and let them heal for a good season plus like we did with sean lee.

but with a guy like sean lee? i wouldn't do it.

but you also have to start planning for dak. that's not gonna be a cheap contract.

That's why i feel Dallas needs to build the defense and strike now before they have to pay dak 25 mil a year.

 

[Bigdog]

Boy that All-Pro center was wasted pick, lol.

 

[gmoney112]

Is it a good long term strategy? It seems ill conceived and harmful longterm? I don't really know the answer.

100%

If they didn't do it they'd be idiots.

 

[slick325]

@BoysfanfromNY...you get a like for that avatar alone! That Cowboys version of the classic Death Row Records pic is EPIC! Dez as Snoop, Prescott as Dr. Dre, Zeke as 2Pac and the venerable Jerry Jones as Suge Knight is too funny and a great pic!

 

[AzorAhai]

Was this a joke?

It's been explained a thousand times over that cutting/trading Romo frees up $5M in cap room this year.

He doesn't comprehend anything without a at the end. It's like it doesn't exist until it then.

 

[OldCoach]

think it depends on how often you do it and with whom you do it with.
a wildcard on medication? not a good idea... see mr ratliff.
a franchise cornerstone like witten, proved to never be an issue.

i feel tyron and frederick are great guys to do with with.
they aren't gonna get fat and happy and even if injured you'd keep them around and let them heal for a good season plus like we did with sean lee.

but with a guy like sean lee? i wouldn't do it.

but you also have to start planning for dak. that's not gonna be a cheap contract.

I think at the end of the day we are always close to max. This means that in the long run players make more money here. This has positives and negatives.

 

[TheHerd]

These contracts are written with these reworks expected to happen if the player stays healthy and plays at the expected level.

This isn't anything the FO didn't intend to do all along.

 

[Direwolf63]

That's why i feel Dallas needs to build the defense and strike now before they have to pay dak 25 mil a year.

25M? If he keeps playing like last year, Prescott is looking at $30M+ a year. Zeke another $15M or so.

The team needs to start planning today for those eventualities.

 

[Nightman]

100%

If they didn't do it they'd be idiots.

it is like talking to a brick wall sometimes
DAL does this every year and we have same threads every year

Dez, TCrawford and Lee are next.....then extend Witten
Then deal with Free, Hanna, Wilber, AMorris

Then Romo gets traded/June 1st or re-done

Space Space and more Space and then next year even more Space

 

[gmoney112]

it is like talking to a brick wall sometimes
DAL does this every year and we have same threads every year

Dez, TCrawford and Lee are next.....then extend Witten
Then deal with Free, Hanna, Wilber, AMorris

Then Romo gets traded/June 1st or re-done

Space Space and more Space and then next year even more Space

Haha, yeah. I don't get it, do some people just like to complain? The cap isn't complicated but it's always mostly the same guys in every thread after it's been explained 100 times.

It's that or the "kicking the can down the road" line, when we're probably going to have like 60 mill+ next year.

We should have a sticky at the top that explains our salary cap situation and our free space over the next several years. I think that'd be a good idea.

 

[T-RO]

More like bracing for the cap hit when we cut Romo. I hate to say it...but I think it's coming. Romo woud be the perfect back up if he just realized his heyday was over.

37 year old QB w/ multiple injures...hanging on to get one last chance for a ring. Sound familiar?

You want him to play for the Cowboys but you don't want him to believe in his own abilities?

You've creatively found something new to criticize. Congratulations.