Cowboys rumored to not inform Mike McCarthy before making the trade for Trey Lance

[CouchCoach]

Wasn't McCarthy the HC of the Cowboys when they evaluated Lance and had him rated close to the top?

 

[Jumbo075]

Lance is not going to play this season unless the Cowboys are out of the playoffs which is highly unlikely. I doubt McCarthy could care any less.

McCarthy mentioned that the timing is unfortunate. That was true for a few reasons:

1. It overshadowed Will Grier’s big night.
2. There isn’t really a lot of time during the season for coaches to spend on the development of Lance.
3. It means the Cowboys have to cut an offensive player they wanted to keep on the roster - likely a running back.

That said, Will Grier was not going to be on the 53-man squad anyway. Even if Grier is more ready to play now than Lance, Lance has more upside long term. The goal is ultimately to upgrade the backup QB, not replace Dak. Rush is the one in danger next year, if Lance beats him out for the backup position. But Rush would likely be picked up very quickly by another team, based on his performance in Dallas.

The NFLPA agreement severely limits the Cowboys ability to fully develop Lance in a timely way.

Also, Lance is about $70K cheaper this year than Grier, so the Cowboys do get a little cap relief in 2023.

The only way Lance plays this year is if both Dak and Rush get injured. Other than that, his job is to focus on learning.

 

[Jumbo075]

Wasn't McCarthy the HC of the Cowboys when they evaluated Lance and had him rated close to the top?

Cowboys rated Lance a high 2nd round prospect.

 

[Vtwin]

Big difference between being involved in evaluating him as a potential draft pick three years ago, and having him and the potential drama, plunked into your QB room two weeks before the season starts in a year when you have very high aspirations, without any input from you as the head coach.

I was very surprised to hear Jerry say he didn't consult the head coach, given the circumstances.

 

[CCBoy]

How does the coach have no input into trades

If anything at all can be said negative on site, don't worry, it shall be a 50 page full out drop a load OP....c'mon.

 

[CCBoy]

McCarthy mentioned that the timing is unfortunate. That was true for a couple of reasons:

1. It overshadowed Will Grier’s big night.
2. There isn’t really a lot of time during the season for coaches to spend on the development of Lance.
3. It means the Cowboys have to cut an offensive player they wanted to keep on the roster - likely a running back.

That said, Will Grier was not going to be on the 53-man squad anyway. Even if Grier is more ready to play now than Lance, Lance has more upside long term. The goal is ultimately to upgrade the backup QB, not replace Dak. Rush is the one in danger next year, if Lance beats him out for the backup position. But Rush would likely be picked up very quickly by another team, based on his performance in Dallas.

The NFLPA agreement severely limits the Cowboys ability to fully develop Lance in a timely way.

Also, Lance is about $70K cheaper this year than Grier, so the Cowboys do get a little cap relief in 2023.

The only way Lance plays this year is if both Dak and Rush get injured. Other than that, his job is to focus on learning.

^%&%$&^*PO*YI&UP{OUPOIUPI{OPYUP{OYITYTDYREWSEWRQREWETREDYFGIUJ: That's the agents for all the 'upcoming' cuts on the phone talking to teams for deals yesterday and today.

It is a complex problem for all teams...and an intensive process

 

[CCBoy]

Cowboys rated Lance a high 2nd round prospect.

And the present head coach was fully all the way through the evaluation process already. It's not like they are the Wright Brothers creating flight theories here.

 

[Sarge]

Nothing burger.

 

[calico]

soo much drama over a project QB. Lol.

 

[CCBoy]

Cowboys wanted Hendon Hooker in this past year's draft...we got Trey Lance now.

Must have suddenly become available...think the Herchel Walker trade took long to decide upon?

Actually, there was a lot of thought behind that one.

 

[CTcowboy203]

Who cares. It would be one thing if they never discuss roster moves with MM but they do. They will continue to. The cowboys saw an opportunity to add to the roster and they took it. It was an organizational decision on a long term move. Mcclay/McCarthy/Jones’s are more often than not on the same page.

Not a big deal Imo.

 

[kevm3]

At a point, I thought it was Jerry just going rogue, but how it played out, I don't blame Jerry for making the call. It's probably how Cleveland felt when they seen they could get Amari for a 5th. You get a qb you had highly rated a couple of years back for only a 4th, you take that risk. Jerry saw what he perceived to be an amazing opportunity and jumped on it before someone else could.

 

[gtb1943]

I think as usual Jerry talk takes a while to interpret.

MM knew about Lance; there had been talk about getting a developmental QB. the GM does make those calls on all teams. Now if MM had made it known he did not want Lance or thought Lance was never going to pan out and then the GM goes out and gets him, that is a little different. BUT at the same time its been done by other teams over the years.
There is no evidence that MM did not want Lance so I see no problem with it all. ITs a shot in the dark; might hit and might miss. A 4th rd pick from us given this seasons expectations of at least making the playoffs means its a LATE fourth rd pick and so not really worth all that much.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Cry me a river. The guy who would have been the 53rd player on the roster now has to join the practice squad. It's not like Dallas is going to lose the guy.

You don't know that. You're speculating. Any team can swoop in and get that 53rd guy that got moved down to the practice squad. Look what happened to NT John Ridgeway last year. He immediately got picked up via waivers by Washington, and he balled out for them all season 2022. Their fans were ecstatic at season's end and wondering WTH were we thinking cutting and trying to sneak him on to our practice squad. NT is a spot we hurt at last year and might hurt again at this year.

 

[cowboyed]

How does the coach have no input into trades

 

[cowboyed]

He was involved in the evaluation. Why would he be evaluating a player randomly? What Mike was saying was that the business end of the deal was not something he had anything to do with.

Read the words from the coach and stop swallowing the narrative of the headline.

Unfortunately for some that narrative is more eager to swallow than a hooker without dentures.

 

[CCBoy]

Unfortunately for some that narrative is more eager to swallow than a hooker without dentures.

(coughing loudly)

 

[SlammedZero]

People only see what they want to see. If they're dramatic, of course they'll make this dramatic too.

For me, I doubt Jerry never mentioned it to MM. Even if he didn't, who cares? Does your boss run everything he does with his business by you first? Doubtful.

 

[cowboyed]

How pathetic is it that our own HC is barely involved in any team operations? He’s basically a teenage girl team manager on a high school team.

Whatever. Every year it’s some other crazy spiel. You don’t hear this kind of stuff happening to other teams besides the bottom of the barrel teams like the Commanders

And how do we know this? There is no actual proof or complaints from McCarthy, who hired most of his own staff and wants to and is getting to call plays? Jerry to some degree has say-so to massage the deal along with Stephen. It likely was discussed and became an agreeable direction to go on at backup quarterback with the finances being left to Stephen and Jerry.

 

[erod]

He's a third-string developmental quarterback. Who cares?