Cowboys salary cap $$ is low because they franchised Dez

Bad contracts, untimely injuries, a 10m cap penalty, a lockout, a new CBA where the cap didn't go up $1 from 2009 to 2013 and a 100m Romo extension and Dallas was never in cap hell. Now the cap is going up 10m a year and people are acting as if it was the Great Depression.


Yep that sounds like a 8-8 team.....stuck in neutral.....question is will this 12-4 team go back to being 8-8 because of Bad contracts and poor Salary Cap management....... Stephen Jones can't let the past CAP history... repeat itself
 
so is the only team friendly contract the one that guarantees very little, and sets low base salary with enormous escalators? Sorry if I was mistaken, but I always read teams converting 'base salary into signing bonus' to minimize the hit on the salary cap

For the most part a players base salary is not guaranteed until week 1. Now teams do things like work out bonuses and roster bonuses to spread the money around. But lets say Dez signs a 10 yr 120 million dollar contract with 30 mill SB. The simple way is to he is getting 12 million a year. But most likely he may get 5 million year 1, then 7 million year 2 and they will escalate. Now lets just say he hits his high years in year 4 Dallas can turn some of his "projected" salary that year, lets say 20 million is his number they can decide to re-structure and make 15 million of that guaranteed and would get spread over the remaining years left so they spread that 15 million over the last 6 years so this contract that started off 10/120 with 30SB is still 10/120 but in essence the SB is more or less 45 million but the break outs change it was 3 mill per year the first 4 years then the prorated number goes up to 5.33 million per year. When that pro rated number becomes too burdensome is when you get into trouble with older vets because unless they play the majority of the contract your cap penalties get harder swallow. So lets say Dez only plays 7 out of 10 years his cap penalty would be as low as 16 mill since he did not play out those last 3 years. And in all likely hood his contract would get restructured a couple of times over the life of it.
 
Yep that sounds like a 8-8 team.....stuck in neutral.....question is will this 12-4 team go back to being 8-8 because of Bad contracts and poor Salary Cap management....... Stephen Jones can't let the past CAP history... repeat itself

Dallas had 99 problems but the cap ain't one
 
The newly disciplined approach to the cap is one I want to see us continue to do. In the long run it is the smart thing to do. It is what the teams that are annually in the playoffs do.

Now I am not adverse to - if the situation comes that we are that 'proverbial' one player away- spend heavy. But we are not at that point. The D needs too many pieces to go that route there with Suh (which is what a lot of those wanting to go 'all in' are hoping for). We need about 4 more players on D to really have a good one. And we cannot get them in FA. The only edge rusher worth serious money is Hardy and he has enough baggage for an around the world cruise. There are no top CBs or Free Safeties available which are our other big needs.

Realistically spend the money on Dez this year; work the cap so that we take the big hit this year and next.
 
Wow. How on earth can anyone fault Dez for wanting to be compensated for his skill? I just don't get this logic around here. Tell Romo to take a pay cut if you want someone to take a cut.
 
Dallas is now only 5.84 mil under the cap. Thanks Dez for the loyalty.

Lol i know the hate will come for this, but this is something the team didnt need. This is something that didnt have to happen.

I know Dez needs to fight for his money, and they were doing this. But in the middle of contract talks when they were so close he got it in his head that it was a smart thing to switch agents. After he had said he would stop talking about the contract negotiations and wouldnt deal until after the season. But in the middle of the season he started opening his twitter account to mouth off about his contract. After he said he was done talking about it.

So he switches agents and his new agent Condon uses the 114mil contract talks as a starting point and going up from there. Instead of working around the numbers that were being discussed and almost agreed to. thats why Jerry Jones was upset with him switching agents.

Somebody call a WHAAA-bulance.

Wait, here's one:

http://cowboyszone.com/threads/cowboys-cap-space-32m-with-restructures.316299/
 
Wow. How on earth can anyone fault Dez for wanting to be compensated for his skill? I just don't get this logic around here. Tell Romo to take a pay cut if you want someone to take a cut.

You bring up being paid for skill and then mention Romo should take a pay cut 2 sentences later? He is the 8th highest paid qb in the nfl behind Cutler, Kapernick, Flacco, Matt Ryan and less than 400k more than Stafford and 1 million more than Alex Smith. If you honestly think he is paid too much for his skill, you're far worse than those complaining about Dez
 
[quote="rocyaice, post: 5997388, member: 2116doesw. How on earth can anyone fault Dez for wanting to be compensated for his skill? I just don't get this logic around here. Tell Romo to take a pay cut if you want someone to take a cut.[/quote]

Did you watch Romo last season? Your argument doesn't make sense.
 
Ware and Murray are not victims of the salary cap. They are victims of Dallas not wanting to pay what it would take to retain them. If Dallas had wanted to retain Ware, it would have moved money around and kept him. The Cowboys made a hard decision to move on because of age and health.

I go back to the example of Nnamdi Asomugha in a year Dallas was supposed to be in cap hell. Everyone was bemoaning the fact that Dallas couldn't sign any high-price FAs, but suddenly Dallas was about to land Asomugha (before the Eagles swooped in). How was that possible? It's because the cap number we see today is never the cap figure the team is actually able to work with.

Dallas didn't want to pay them what they wanted because if how it affected the salary cap so yes they were victims of the salary cap. SMH.
 
Dallas didn't want to pay them what they wanted because if how it affected the salary cap so yes they were victims of the salary cap. SMH.

We'll have to disagree about that. Hatcher got too much so Dallas smartly didn't pay him. With Ware, Dallas chose to go a different direction. The Cowboys could have went all in and restructured Ware while also bringing in a Jared Allen, Julius Peppers, etc., but age and injuries have held back the defense as much as anything, so Dallas chose to not follow that route anymore.

Choosing a different path meant Dallas had to retool the defense, which involved bringing in low-priced, stopgap options the team felt could be contributors while it builds the defense. Ware was a victim of this new direction, not the salary cap.

I want to make it clear that there is a difference between not being held back by the cap and being smart about how you use it. Unwise investments are not smart and that's what Dallas avoided last year, knowing that it wasn't wise to invest heavily in a defense in need of a lot of work and losing its two best players (by choice). There are things you can do to put yourself in a position where you have to get creative with the finances and hope everything turns out like you would like (not players retiring early, expensive FAs being busts, etc.) and there are things you can do to set yourself up financially to better your team.

Restructures are part of that setup. They are there to be used when needed, but also to not be used when unnecessary. Some might say it's always necessary, but teams have to wisely pick and choose when it's better to increase their space and when to get a cap hit out of the way.
 
Wow. How on earth can anyone fault Dez for wanting to be compensated for his skill? I just don't get this logic around here. Tell Romo to take a pay cut if you want someone to take a cut.

Can you name these people who think dez shouldnr be paid?
 
You bring up being paid for skill and then mention Romo should take a pay cut 2 sentences later? He is the 8th highest paid qb in the nfl behind Cutler, Kapernick, Flacco, Matt Ryan and less than 400k more than Stafford and 1 million more than Alex Smith. If you honestly think he is paid too much for his skill, you're far worse than those complaining about Dez

First off, I don't believe Romo should take a pay cut. But the guy has gotten 2 decent sized contracts in his career. Dez and Demarco will only get one and on the ONE they do get guys want them to take a pay cut? Its idiocy. And btw, I don't think Romo should take a pay cut i'm jus
[quote="rocyaice, post: 5997388, member: 2116doesw. How on earth can anyone fault Dez for wanting to be compensated for his skill? I just don't get this logic around here. Tell Romo to take a pay cut if you want someone to take a cut.

Did you watch Romo last season? Your argument doesn't make sense.[/quote]

There's no argument being made. I'm not saying Romo should take a pay cut. But its more logical for a guy to take a pay cut who's made over 100 million in this league as opposed to a guy who hasn't yet. I don't think any of them should take pay cuts but understand how silly it is to suggest for Demarco and Dez to take pay cuts or "hometown discounts" when its probably the last big contracts they'll get in their career.
 
I'm hanging around here all day every day and I'm not seeing this at all. In fact, I don't ever recall anyone posting we should spend less than the salary cap allows.

Unlike Washington, you have been below the minimum two years in a row.
 
We'll have to disagree about that. Hatcher got too much so Dallas smartly didn't pay him. With Ware, Dallas chose to go a different direction. The Cowboys could have went all in and restructured Ware while also bringing in a Jared Allen, Julius Peppers, etc., but age and injuries have held back the defense as much as anything, so Dallas chose to not follow that route anymore.

Choosing a different path meant Dallas had to retool the defense, which involved bringing in low-priced, stopgap options the team felt could be contributors while it builds the defense. Ware was a victim of this new direction, not the salary cap.

I want to make it clear that there is a difference between not being held back by the cap and being smart about how you use it. Unwise investments are not smart and that's what Dallas avoided last year, knowing that it wasn't wise to invest heavily in a defense in need of a lot of work and losing its two best players (by choice). There are things you can do to put yourself in a position where you have to get creative with the finances and hope everything turns out like you would like (not players retiring early, expensive FAs being busts, etc.) and there are things you can do to set yourself up financially to better your team.

Restructures are part of that setup. They are there to be used when needed, but also to not be used when unnecessary. Some might say it's always necessary, but teams have to wisely pick and choose when it's better to increase their space and when to get a cap hit out of the way.

You're agreeing with me that you should be fiscally responsible in regards to the salary cap. Thanks.
 
The first sentence of this thread is "Dallas is now only 5.84 mil under the cap. Thanks Dez for the loyalty. ".

And did that poster say dez should not be paid or did you stop reading there?
 

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