Cowboys salary cap $$ is low because they franchised Dez

[Nightman]

First off, I don't believe Romo should take a pay cut. But the guy has gotten 2 decent sized contracts in his career. Dez and Demarco will only get one and on the ONE they do get guys want them to take a pay cut? Its idiocy. And btw, I don't think Romo should take a pay cut i'm jus


Did you watch Romo last season? Your argument doesn't make sense.

There's no argument being made. I'm not saying Romo should take a pay cut. But its more logical for a guy to take a pay cut who's made over 100 million in this league as opposed to a guy who hasn't yet. I don't think any of them should take pay cuts but understand how silly it is to suggest for Demarco and Dez to take pay cuts or "hometown discounts" when its probably the last big contracts they'll get in their career.

Romo took a hometown discount when he signed his 4/68m extension. He left over 12m on the table.
TSmith left millions on the table with his 10 year deal
SLee accepted de-escalators in his deal and is paying the price for missing time
OScan signed a below market extension
Doug Free gave back millions to stay on
Carr is being asked to do the same
DWare was released when he wouldn't accept a pay cut
Hatcher was allowed to leave at 8m a year

The culture change with the FO has to do with making better choices when it comes to the Draft, FA and resigning our own guys. JJones is no longer a push over or else Dez would have a 8/120m deal right now. If Dez and Murray want to stay a part of this franchise they have to choose team over max dollars. If they want max dollars they should move on.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Romo took a hometown discount when he signed his 4/68m extension. He left over 12m on the table.
TSmith left millions on the table with his 10 year deal
SLee accepted de-escalators in his deal and is paying the price for missing time
OScan signed a below market extension
Doug Free gave back millions to stay on
Carr is being asked to do the same
DWare was released when he wouldn't accept a pay cut
Hatcher was allowed to leave at 8m a year

The culture change with the FO has to do with making better choices when it comes to the Draft, FA and resigning our own guys. JJones is no longer a push over or else Dez would have a 8/120m deal right now. If Dez and Murray want to stay a part of this franchise they have to choose team over max dollars. If they want max dollars they should move on.

I don't think we will see that out of Murray.
Dez I can see.

 

[Tabascocat]

Why did Dallas give Dez the non-exclusive tag? I am worried that he feels slighted and could sign elsewhere if any team bites.

I don't think it will happen but the possibility is there

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Romo took a hometown discount when he signed his 4/68m extension. He left over 12m on the table.
TSmith left millions on the table with his 10 year deal
SLee accepted de-escalators in his deal and is paying the price for missing time
OScan signed a below market extension
Doug Free gave back millions to stay on
Carr is being asked to do the same
DWare was released when he wouldn't accept a pay cut
Hatcher was allowed to leave at 8m a year

The culture change with the FO has to do with making better choices when it comes to the Draft, FA and resigning our own guys. JJones is no longer a push over or else Dez would have a 8/120m deal right now. If Dez and Murray want to stay a part of this franchise they have to choose team over max dollars. If they want max dollars they should move on.

What? Tyron Smith and Romo both got some nice guarantee money up front. Doug Free and Scandrick were both overpaid initially. There's a culture change on this team and it started with Dez Bryant not settling for mediocrity and it rubbed off on the rest of this organization. Dez deserves to get paid as does Demarco. For the latter, it may not be here though I hope it is.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

And did that poster say dez should not be paid or did you stop reading there?

Okay i'm not gonna argue about what another poster meant by what he was saying. My mistake. Clearly the OP was giving Dez props for settling for signing the franchise tag as opposed to signing a deal with low guaranteed money.

 

[Nightman]

What? Tyron Smith and Romo both got some nice guarantee money up front. Doug Free and Scandrick were both overpaid initially. There's a culture change on this team and it started with Dez Bryant not settling for mediocrity and it rubbed off on the rest of this organization. Dez deserves to get paid as does Demarco. For the latter, it may not be here though I hope it is.

QBs always get the big guaranteed money. That doesn't change the fact Romo could have got 20m+ on the open market
TSmith only got 22m guaranteed on a 10 year deal. That is a steal in any universe
Free gave money back off his overpay so he could stay, that is my point
I was talking about OScans extension, not his original deal

Dez didn't change the culture, that is silly. They went 8-8 for 3 straight years when Dez got here.
Like I said, if top dollar is the most important thing to Dez he should leave, that is his right.

 

[gimmesix]

You're agreeing with me that you should be fiscally responsible in regards to the salary cap. Thanks.

Never said you shouldn't be, and I don't think anyone else is, either. There's a huge gap between believing you can put a Pro Bowler at every position and believing creating cap space is going to put you into cap hell. Teams put measures in place to create space when they need space. There is a price to pay for using those measures, but that price is paid off by other measures put into place, which is paid off by other measures put into place, etc.

That's what makes "cap hell" mythical. Yes, it is possible for a team to spend so foolishly that it ends up with no money to spend, but it isn't realistic to believe a team is going to do that, even when the salary cap makes it appear that the team has simply because it has not used the measures it has put into place.

 

[iceberg]

Okay i'm not gonna argue about what another poster meant by what he was saying. My mistake. Clearly the OP was giving Dez props for settling for signing the franchise tag as opposed to signing a deal with low guaranteed money.

You just cant talk except in extremes. While the op wished we didnt go through tag stuff, he NEVER SAID dez shouldnt be paid.

So, again I ask you to validate what you said. Bonus points if you can reply without going ape**** extreme again.

 

[DeaconMoss]

I don't think we will see that out of Murray.
Dez I can see.

I think you have that backwards. I can see DM doing a team deal.

DEZ has Jigga and his roc nation crew in his ear clamoring for him to chase the almighty dollar no matter what.

 

[DeaconMoss]

Romo took a hometown discount when he signed his 4/68m extension. He left over 12m on the table.
TSmith left millions on the table with his 10 year deal
SLee accepted de-escalators in his deal and is paying the price for missing time
OScan signed a below market extension
Doug Free gave back millions to stay on
Carr is being asked to do the same
DWare was released when he wouldn't accept a pay cut
Hatcher was allowed to leave at 8m a year

The culture change with the FO has to do with making better choices when it comes to the Draft, FA and resigning our own guys. JJones is no longer a push over or else Dez would have a 8/120m deal right now. If Dez and Murray want to stay a part of this franchise they have to choose team over max dollars. If they want max dollars they should move on.

This is how the Pats deal with the business side of football, and I hope we stay the course

 

[Dave_in-NC]

I think you have that backwards. I can see DM doing a team deal.

DEZ has Jigga and his roc nation crew in his ear clamoring for him to chase the almighty dollar no matter what.

I should have been clearer. I think Murray would look to be more team friendly.
Dez is looking to be the highest paid WR in the sport IMOP.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Romo took a hometown discount when he signed his 4/68m extension. He left over 12m on the table.
TSmith left millions on the table with his 10 year deal
SLee accepted de-escalators in his deal and is paying the price for missing time
OScan signed a below market extension
Doug Free gave back millions to stay on
Carr is being asked to do the same
DWare was released when he wouldn't accept a pay cut
Hatcher was allowed to leave at 8m a year

The culture change with the FO has to do with making better choices when it comes to the Draft, FA and resigning our own guys. JJones is no longer a push over or else Dez would have a 8/120m deal right now. If Dez and Murray want to stay a part of this franchise they have to choose team over max dollars. If they want max dollars they should move on.

Good stuff. Should be posted in the Cowboys lockerroom for all to read and learn.

 

[Nightman]

I should have been clearer. I think Murray would look to be more team friendly.
Dez is looking to be the highest paid WR in the sport IMOP.

This could be Murray's last shot at a decent pay day. I wouldn't it hold it against him if he took top dollar. He has made less than 3m so far. Dez has made at least 11m in salary.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

This could be Murray's last shot at a decent pay day. I wouldn't it hold it against him if he took top dollar. He has made less than 3m so far. Dez has made at least 11m in salary.

Here's what I don't understand. Some guys here who's opinions I respect are saying all these Murray is good but won't do this or that again.
Can't hold on to the ball, what ever we have all read over the last few weeks.
Are the Cowboys the only team that looks at the stats (there is a better word, just can't think of it) they put together to determine his worth?
I keep seeing this team or that team will over pay way to much, why would they? The Colts aren't just a RB away. And even if they were why wouldn't they make a play in the draft because it's supposedly over stocked with RBs. I don't watch college ball so none of the names mean a thing to me.

I just don't get why some one would reach way over the value, and not see what the Cowboys already know.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

This could be Murray's last shot at a decent pay day. I wouldn't it hold it against him if he took top dollar. He has made less than 3m so far. Dez has made at least 11m in salary.

I still think if it came to playing for the Cowboys or moving on for a few bucks he'd stay.

 

[Nightman]

Here's what I don't understand. Some guys here who's opinions I respect are saying all these Murray is good but won't do this or that again.
Can't hold on to the ball, what ever we have all read over the last few weeks.
Are the Cowboys the only team that looks at the stats (there is a better word, just can't think of it) they put together to determine his worth?
I keep seeing this team or that team will over pay way to much, why would they? The Colts aren't just a RB away. And even if they were why wouldn't they make a play in the draft because it's supposedly over stocked with RBs. I don't watch college ball so none of the names mean a thing to me.

I just don't get why some one would reach way over the value, and not see what the Cowboys already know.

They will say that it only takes one. That someone will overpay for the name value. But Murray has to agree to go there, it isn't the draft where he has no choice.

I proposed a incentive laden deal that would top out at 8m if he played every game and would basically be a year to year deal. If all things where similar he might choose staying in Dallas over a little more money elsewhere.

 

[Wood]

If the Cowboys truly believe the Romo five year talk then they must restructure Tony.

absolute worst thing this franchise could do. If that happens we know Jerry is sneaking back into the office and playing King of the hill again.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

Romo took a hometown discount when he signed his 4/68m extension. He left over 12m on the table.
TSmith left millions on the table with his 10 year deal
SLee accepted de-escalators in his deal and is paying the price for missing time
OScan signed a below market extension
Doug Free gave back millions to stay on
Carr is being asked to do the same
DWare was released when he wouldn't accept a pay cut
Hatcher was allowed to leave at 8m a year

The culture change with the FO has to do with making better choices when it comes to the Draft, FA and resigning our own guys. JJones is no longer a push over or else Dez would have a 8/120m deal right now. If Dez and Murray want to stay a part of this franchise they have to choose team over max dollars. If they want max dollars they should move on.

bingo. I think its the way to go...

 

[Wood]

QBs always get the big guaranteed money. That doesn't change the fact Romo could have got 20m+ on the open market
TSmith only got 22m guaranteed on a 10 year deal. That is a steal in any universe
Free gave money back off his overpay so he could stay, that is my point
I was talking about OScans extension, not his original deal

Dez didn't change the culture, that is silly. They went 8-8 for 3 straight years when Dez got here.
Like I said, if top dollar is the most important thing to Dez he should leave, that is his right.

Romo had zero chance of getting more guaranteed money in open market. The guaranteed portion of his contract from Dallas was almost obscene for player who really didn't have any success in playoffs at that time. And it's the reason the team is aggressively refusing to redo his contract because they know its a monolith.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

Romo had zero chance of getting more guaranteed money in open market. The guaranteed portion of his contract from Dallas was almost obscene for player who really didn't have any success in playoffs at that time.

Well. Go find another QB then. -- If you find a QB like Romo. You make sure he stays on your team. It is extremely hard to find a good QB. And you cant win without one. Although the Seahags are proving that theory wrong. I dont think Russell Wilson is that good!!! I mean, he is okay.....But I take Romo every time over him.

Good WRs can be found every year in the draft......