Cowboys salary cap $$ is low because they franchised Dez

[coult44]

Yes if he wanted a obscene amount of guaranteed money that puts the team in a bad spot, youre damn right.

What would you consider a bad spot?

 

[bevo11]

Dallas is now only 5.84 mil under the cap. Thanks Dez for the loyalty.

Lol i know the hate will come for this, but this is something the team didnt need. This is something that didnt have to happen.

I know Dez needs to fight for his money, and they were doing this. But in the middle of contract talks when they were so close he got it in his head that it was a smart thing to switch agents. After he had said he would stop talking about the contract negotiations and wouldnt deal until after the season. But in the middle of the season he started opening his twitter account to mouth off about his contract. After he said he was done talking about it.

So he switches agents and his new agent Condon uses the 114mil contract talks as a starting point and going up from there. Instead of working around the numbers that were being discussed and almost agreed to. thats why Jerry Jones was upset with him switching agents.

You have no idea how close they were to signing the contract, you are working off of speculation. The man is the best player on the team and a 114mm K means nothing if the guaranteed portion is not there. This is not Dez's fault. All Dez has ever done is perform and he deserves to be paid. The salary cap prison we are in has nothing to do with Dez. Jerry got us into this cap mess and Jerry isnt paying Dez, yet you want to blame Dez for doing what he needs to do to take care of his family!? Kick rocks with that garbage.

 

[coult44]

Again, just unbelievable the ignorance. What if a player doesn't perform anymore? What if he gets hurt? What if he gets in trouble? And besides those questions, if you keep pushing money down the road it forces you into the situation we had last year and this year ie franchising, not being able to sign Ware, Murray, Hatcher and any other top tier FA's.

By doing things we are doing them now you are not going to sign any top tier FA's. Not even the best RB in football, one of the best WR's in football , or our best LB. And do you think any of those guys are going to recruit other FA's for you now? Absolutely not. This approach is as ignorant as those you are talking about. We could have restructured Romo and Tyron, and forced Carr to take a cut. With those three moves. We could have signed all of our guys, and your "top tier" guys.

 

[jterrell]

both were overpays

Ware 10 sacks for 10m< Mincey 6 sacks for 1m, DLaw 500k
Hatcher 7m< Crawford 1m, Melton 2m

that's kinda true but your numbers are a bit off and Crawford was gonna be here regardless.

Melton was a cap hit of 2.4m and we owe him another 750K or so in cap funds. His total cost was ~3 million for 1 year.
Mincey was at 1.25M and a true stellar value. Team has his rights this year for 1.75m. muy bueno!

I think it pretty clear Melton was a fairly direct Hatcher replacement.
We probably win there if only because by being cheap neither could do much to disappoint... tho Melton being MIA for the playoffs was awful.

Much harder on the Ware/Mincey deal to say it was one or the other.
Dallas clearly needed a handful of spare DE's to get through the year and Mincey was really cheap.
It's possible if not likely we could have had both.
Especially with DLaw and Spencer both out early. Someone had to be a 3rd legit DE.
Guess it follows that had Denver not signed Ware maybe they offer something to keep Mincey .. or maybe they choose another DE target.. but again now we are into speculation mode.

 

[visionary]

So Dez needs to be loyal to himself and the cowboys need to be loyal to him

So Dez needs to "make his money" and the cowboys "should just pay the man"

So Dez should not be low balled but the cowboys should over pay him to show respect

Yep, there is a guy that cares about the team

 

[Nightman]

By doing things we are doing them now you are not going to sign any top tier FA's. Not even the best RB in football, one of the best WR's in football , or our best LB. And do you think any of those guys are going to recruit other FA's for you now? Absolutely not. This approach is as ignorant as those you are talking about. We could have restructured Romo and Tyron, and forced Carr to take a cut. With those three moves. We could have signed all of our guys, and your "top tier" guys.

Dallas doesn't win any prizes or games for being conservative with the cap. It doesn't help them sign players. It only helps them pocket more profit.

I have no idea why fans want Dallas to spend less money against the cap than they are capable of. There is no such thing as cap hell only poor personnel decisions and those can be cheap players or expensive players or even draft picks.

 

[JeffInDC]

Theres no doubt in my head the cowboys will work out a deal. My point in my OP was it didnt need to happen that way. For all the words Dez has talk about his displeasure, he is the one to blame. He shouldve kept working towards a deal with parker instead of signing with another agent if he wanted it done. I hope they get that done within 8 days.

So you, if you were widely considered one of the Top 3 WR IN FOOTBALL, would've accepted the 10/$114 deal with only 10% ($15m) guaranteed when Mike Wallace got a deal with damn near $30M in guarantees? Talk about not knowing your worth.

 

[Nightman]

So you, if you were widely considered one of the Top 3 WR IN FOOTBALL, would've accepted the 10/$114 deal with only 10% ($15m) guaranteed when Mike Wallace got a deal with damn near $30M in guarantees? Talk about not knowing your worth.

No one still knows the details or even if those numbers were real.

That guarantee would be low, but we don't know it there were roster or option bonuses or incentives that would greatly increase his early years money.

 

[LatinMind]

So you, if you were widely considered one of the Top 3 WR IN FOOTBALL, would've accepted the 10/$114 deal with only 10% ($15m) guaranteed when Mike Wallace got a deal with damn near $30M in guarantees? Talk about not knowing your worth.

Who is saying that thats all the Cowboys offered? because somebody from ESPN reported? You all talk about that company in a bad way but because one of their own reported this its concrete? I posted a fisher article that talks about this contract. So maybe people wont get hung up on this whole Dallas only offered him so much, he needs more.

 

[Frozen700]

Dallas doesn't win any prizes or games for being conservative with the cap. It doesn't help them sign players. It only helps them pocket more profit.

I have no idea why fans want Dallas to spend less money against the cap than they are capable of. There is no such thing as cap hell only poor personnel decisions and those can be cheap players or expensive players or even draft picks.

Thank you

 

[Clove]

Before asking players to take discounts, you go ahead and take one at work. See how that words out.

 

[AsthmaField]

I'm sure someone else in this thread has said this, but they can still sign him long term and release that money for the cap.

 

[iceberg]

Ok.

http://www.***BANNED-URL***/sports/...l-is-risky-business-cowboys-may-not-do-it.ece

So how does 1 contract refute my point people have been saying were mortgaging our future and here we are.

 

[Nightman]

I'm sure someone else in this thread has said this, but they can still sign him long term and release that money for the cap.

They could probably get around 6m in cap space back if they sign him to a long term deal.

25m signing bonus and salaries of of 1m and 2m the first 2 years would give him cap hits of 6m and 7m.

 

[Nightman]

So how does 1 contract refute my point people have been saying were mortgaging our future and here we are.

Bad contracts, untimely injuries, a 10m cap penalty, a lockout, a new CBA where the cap didn't go up $1 from 2009 to 2013 and a 100m Romo extension and Dallas was never in cap hell. Now the cap is going up 10m a year and people are acting as if it was the Great Depression.

 

[AzorAhai]

This is really being over blown. Yes you would like to get Dez signed to have instant cap flexibility. It wont hinder any FA negotiations in the end though. The Cowboys will have a list with the max potential cap space they can create through various moves and future ramifications. If they want a player Dez will not hinder them from doing it, rather they would have to use resources from a different avenue. They can restructure contracts and get whoever they want. Also if T. Smith are restructured in order to sign a Hardy, or Suh or whomever, they could still resign Dez before July 15th and just push the savings forward to lessen some of the blow from restructuring Romo or Smith. Or they could absorb a larger amount of his hit this season and lessen Dez's hit next season to avoid needeing to restructure some 50-50 players.

Also the restructure thing is a complete myth. It is a competitive advantage to have the cash flow to even do these restructures. If you can balance the restructuring with future years and salary coming off the books you can field a team with a significantly higher "true cap" than teams without the cash flow allowing a team to technically operate with a higher salary base than the actual cap and do it every year. Restructuring a contract pushes money forward into higher cap years where the cap will be higher so that salary takes up less of a % of the cap. If you want to pick something that actually hurts, its signing or extending players who dont live up to those deals and leave a large cap hit of dead money. The years that the Cowboys got in trouble were when the cap went down amd stayed down, and had a cap penalty from the Miles Austin deal. Take those things away and Cap hell never would have been talked about here. You could never convince me smart restructuring is not an advantage. If the Cowboys can field a team where they are actually spending 20% over the cap each year its smart but need to be smart with who they restructure and for the most part I think they are.

 

[birdwells1]

You have no idea how close they were to signing the contract, you are working off of speculation. The man is the best player on the team and a 114mm K means nothing if the guaranteed portion is not there. This is not Dez's fault. All Dez has ever done is perform and he deserves to be paid. The salary cap prison we are in has nothing to do with Dez. Jerry got us into this cap mess and Jerry isnt paying Dez, yet you want to blame Dez for doing what he needs to do to take care of his family!? Kick rocks with that garbage.

Great post, to honestly access these situations you can't just look at this from a fan's perspective (what's best for the team) you have to take into account the players side because these contracts are a two sided agreement. Like I said before, until the numbers have been made public then some are doing is throwing stones at Dez on GP. Some of you want Dez to take a team friendly deal to help out the salary cap but it is within his rights to ask for whatever he thinks he's worth now he may not get it but he can ask. The front office creates the cap mess but expect the player to dig them out.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I have no idea why fans want Dallas to spend less money against the cap than they are capable of.

I'm hanging around here all day every day and I'm not seeing this at all. In fact, I don't ever recall anyone posting we should spend less than the salary cap allows.

 

[gimmesix]

Again, just unbelievable the ignorance. What if a player doesn't perform anymore? What if he gets hurt? What if he gets in trouble? And besides those questions, if you keep pushing money down the road it forces you into the situation we had last year and this year ie franchising, not being able to sign Ware, Murray, Hatcher and any other top tier FA's.

Ware and Murray are not victims of the salary cap. They are victims of Dallas not wanting to pay what it would take to retain them. If Dallas had wanted to retain Ware, it would have moved money around and kept him. The Cowboys made a hard decision to move on because of age and health.

I go back to the example of Nnamdi Asomugha in a year Dallas was supposed to be in cap hell. Everyone was bemoaning the fact that Dallas couldn't sign any high-price FAs, but suddenly Dallas was about to land Asomugha (before the Eagles swooped in). How was that possible? It's because the cap number we see today is never the cap figure the team is actually able to work with.

 

[Nightman]

I'm hanging around here all day every day and I'm not seeing this at all. In fact, I don't ever recall anyone posting we should spend less than the salary cap allows.

You aren't paying attention then, because by not restructuring contracts that is exactly what you are doing. Dallas has a cash flow advantage over most teams and by offering large signing bonuses that can be pro-rated over 5 years and by restructuring large annual salaries Dallas can spend well over the cap.

They chose to do that for many years before backing off last year. A lot of fans and writers lauded them for their new found fiscal responsibility while ignoring the fact that the cap has gone up 20m in just 2 years. This is after the cap stayed flat from 2009 to 2013 at 122m because of the lockout and the owners completely taking the NFLPA for fools.

Not restructuring Romo-13m, TSmith-8m and Witten-3m would be a signal they value profits over players. Especially when you realize that you can roll over any unused cap space.