Cowboys Shopping ellis possibly?

[Stash]

I wonder why New England backed away from a deal? I honestly thought it sounded like it was going to happen.

Maybe because the Patriots are counting on the situation getting worse (which I believe it now will) and the Cowboys not finding a trade partner when everytone knows he'll ultimately be released.

Then we'll give the Patriots the pass-rusher they need for nothing in return.

I see no sense in making this move after the draft and freeing up more cap space that they aren't needing at this point.

 

[speedkilz88]

Maybe because the Patriots are counting on the situation getting worse (which I believe it now will) and the Cowboys not finding a trade partner when everytone knows he'll ultimately be released.

Then we'll give the Patriots the pass-rusher they need for nothing in return.

I see no sense in making this move after the draft and freeing up more cap space that they aren't needing at this point.

With Ellis being sent home and this trade being revisited now, I would think that some team has contacted them.

 

[Woods]

With Ellis being sent home and this trade being revisited now, I would think that some team has contacted them.

That's what I was thinking as well.

The first day of OTAs he was starting ahead of Spencer.

The next day or so he's been sent home.

I was thinking they have a team interested in possibly trading for him.

 

[Stash]

With Ellis being sent home and this trade being revisited now, I would think that some team has contacted them.

I hope so.

A trade would be a lot more palatable for this fan than cutting him for nothing at this point.

 

[jobberone]

With Phillips coaching the team you have to get rid of Ellis if you want the young guys to get a shot. As long as Ellis is on the team Phillips will always play the long tooth.

I don't have a problem with his being gone esp if it means keeping the two pass rushers we drafted. But OTOH, I don't want to see Ware or Spencer go down without another viable pass rusher. Obviously they know something I don't.

Igor Olshansky, Jay Ratliff, and Bradie James have all shown pass rush capabilities.

In college Victor Butler was very aggressive in pass rush. The videos of Brandon Williams show he can be too.

Anthony Spencer will surprise a lot of people this year. He's going to explode.

I didn't mean we don't have any other pass rushers. While it's better to have an outside pass rush from both sides, you can get by without it as long as the rest of the front seven put some pressure on. So I guess we agree if you're talking front seven vs OLBs.

With Ellis being sent home and this trade being revisited now, I would think that some team has contacted them.

Must be something up if he's home and we're hearing chirping about a trade. I'd actually prefer trading him for a backup T or C who is proven. Or a big ole NT; assuming we don't already have one.

And I'm not convinced about Spencer yet. I am convinced he can rush the passer. I'm not convinced he can be a complete SOLB yet. His coverage and run responsibilities are too inconsistent for me. One way to get over that is to play the guy. He should have the skill set to do the job.

 

[speedkilz88]

I would also think that the reason they started him over Spencer in OTAs was to show that they were willing to keep him and then they could also show him off in preseason as a starter. Best way to keep a players trade value up.

 

[jobberone]

I would also think that the reason they started him over Spencer in OTAs was to show that they were willing to keep him and then they could also show him off in preseason as a starter. Best way to keep a players trade value up.

I'd buy that. I do not think that Wade is going to favor vets this year. If there is another backup pass rusher esp at the Sam then trade his fanny.

 

[ddh33]

I think Ellis may fall under the "locker room lawyer" tag.

I agree completely. I don't have any proof of it or anything, but the guy just rubs me the wrong way, and I think he contributes to some of the problems around this team.

 

[AbeBeta]

I would also think that the reason they started him over Spencer in OTAs was to show that they were willing to keep him and then they could also show him off in preseason as a starter. Best way to keep a players trade value up.

Two parts to this. First, Ellis ended the year as the starter. Most teams wouldn't demote a guy in the off-season unless there was a major acquisition - which there was not. Second, we aren't exactly pleased as punch with Spencer's off-season (dropped charges or not).

I doubt we plan to show Ellis off. He has years of experience. Teams aren't going to be looking to pre-season footage to make this decision. In fact, giving him more time on the field is exactly what we don't want to do with a young Spencer and 2 rookies needing PT to learn the position.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

I think its time to move on.
Im also not sold on Spencer.



The Browns drafted Massaqui and Robeskie. Is there a package for Braylon Edwards(or Cribbs)?

 

[AMERICAS_FAN]

See you Greg!

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Two parts to this. First, Ellis ended the year as the starter. Most teams wouldn't demote a guy in the off-season unless there was a major acquisition - which there was not. Second, we aren't exactly pleased as punch with Spencer's off-season (dropped charges or not).

I doubt we plan to show Ellis off. He has years of experience. Teams aren't going to be looking to pre-season footage to make this decision. In fact, giving him more time on the field is exactly what we don't want to do with a young Spencer and 2 rookies needing PT to learn the position.

I dont know. This is about where you let go of older players. I think we missed it with Flozell, but this could absolutely be the break down year for Ellis.

 

[AMERICAS_FAN]

The Cowboys have targeted New England and Cincinnati as potential teams for Ellis. The Patriots have been interested in an outside pass rusher and were in the market for Jason Taylor, who has now signed with Miami. But the Pats have no interest in Ellis, according to one of the sources.

Dallas to New England: Ummm, you guys want Greg Ellis? We hear you need a pass-rushing OLB. And wouldn't you know it, we could use a deep threat WR. Hey, why don't we swap players - we'll give you Ellis for Randy Moss, after all we once selected Ellis over Moss in the draft, so that should give you an idea of the good value this trade would bring you.

New England to Dallas: :laugh2: :laugh1: :laugh2: :laugh1:

 

[burmafrd]

Being sent home indicates a trade is coming or an immediate release- they do not to take a chance on him getting injured.

 

[AbeBeta]

I dont know. This is about where you let go of older players. I think we missed it with Flozell, but this could absolutely be the break down year for Ellis.

didn't say we weren't going to let him go -- said we weren't going to showcase him

 

[Vinnie2u]

Being sent home indicates a trade is coming or an immediate release- they do not to take a chance on him getting injured.

Either Way i'm Happy.. Ellis, TO, PacMan, Tank, Read, B.Johnson, Henry, Stewart.. Multiplication by Subtraction.... :laugh2:

 

[speedkilz88]

Two parts to this. First, Ellis ended the year as the starter. Most teams wouldn't demote a guy in the off-season unless there was a major acquisition - which there was not. Second, we aren't exactly pleased as punch with Spencer's off-season (dropped charges or not).

I doubt we plan to show Ellis off. He has years of experience. Teams aren't going to be looking to pre-season footage to make this decision. In fact, giving him more time on the field is exactly what we don't want to do with a young Spencer and 2 rookies needing PT to learn the position.

My point was that a demotion in OTAs and training camp would hurt his trade value. Many people were surprised that Ellis was still the starter and this could be the reason that he still was/is.

 

[AbeBeta]

My point was that a demotion in OTAs and training camp would hurt his trade value. Many people were surprised that Ellis was still the starter and this could be the reason that he still was/is.

No it would not. Teams see through that stuff. Every GM in the league knows that Spencer is going to start over him. You act like teams don't know crap about our roster.

 

[Idgit]

No it would not. Teams see through that stuff. Every GM in the league knows that Spencer is going to start over him. You act like teams don't know crap about our roster.

You'd still have to sit through them calling Ellis your backup in a negotiation, even if both sides knew the score.

Ellis is expensive insurance for us. I don't mind moving him if we're going to get something worthwhile, but I sure don't like the idea of being thin at NT and OLB. Especially with the injury problems Spencer's had.

I think the team really likes Siavii, and if they think he's a successful reclamation project, I'll go with that. I can't imagine them being comfortable with our OLB rotation if they deal Ellis.

 

[ethiostar]

9:26 AM Fri, May 22, 2009
Tim MacMahon

Ending Greg Ellis' decade-plus tenure with the Cowboys makes financial sense. The team would create more than $5 million in cap space if they can trade him, $4.15 million if they cut him. That cash can be put to good use (direct deposit into DeMarcus Ware's account as part of a massive signing bonus).

Does getting rid of Ellis make football sense? Seems like it's too early to tell.

The Cowboys are confident that 2007 first-round pick Anthony Spencer is ready to step into a starting role. He's an upgrade over Ellis at this point against the run and has the potential to be a good pass rusher. But Spencer missed four games last season, when he was a part-time player, due to knee and hamstring injuries. What happens if he gets hurt?

The Cowboys drafted a pair of DE-to-OLB conversion projects in the fourth round. Ideally, they would combine to play about 20 snaps per game on passing downs. If Victor Butler and Brandon Williams are pushed into bigger roles as rookies, they could be exploited in the running game, which LB coach Reggie Herring acknowledged as a facet of the game in which both fourth-rounders need to improve significantly. Justin Rogers is also on the roster, but he's a solid special teams player who hasn't played a significant NFL down on defense.

That's why it's a little surprising that the Cowboys appear ready to move on from Ellis right now. It seems like the Cowboys would have benefited from monitoring the development of their draft picks during training camp and the preseason before making this decision.

Maybe they're doing Ellis a favor, allowing him an opportunity to spend the bulk of an off-season learning his new team's scheme. Or perhaps they figure its best for all involved to cancel this edition of the annual Greg Ellis Summer Soap Opera before it gets rolling.

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