Cowboys talking extension with tony romo

[zeke87]

How 'bout 3 years and 45m all guarranteed or 5 years 85-90 with 45m guarranteed? If Condon/Romo balks, trade him for a 1st and spend the 11.5 cap savings on other needs.

BTW, dumb question but is it too late to drop the tag from Spencer and go sign Freeney or Osi for a deal far less than 10.5 mil this year? I assume once SPencer signed the tag, we can no longer drop the tag but am not sure.

 

[cowboysooner]

How 'bout 3 years and 45m all guarranteed or 5 years 85-90 with 45m guarranteed? If Condon/Romo balks, trade him for a 1st and spend the 11.5 cap savings on other needs.

BTW, dumb question but is it too late to drop the tag from Spencer and go sign Freeney or Osi for a deal far less than 10.5 mil this year? I assume once SPencer signed the tag, we can no longer drop the tag but am not sure.

Why would Dallas do the first deal when they can basically do that on a year to year basis and transfer injury and performance risk to the player?

Yes. Once Spencer signed the tag it became guaranteed for the year. The market for defensive ends is pretty well set. I don't think it will be greatly improved next year.

 

[Frozen700]

Signing turnover Tony will put us in worse cap hell for more years to come (mortgaging future for average team) which only guarantees more 8-8 years. Romo is a decent QB early in the season, but he seems unable or capable of playing good when it matters the most.

The Cowboys need to focus on the lines...build the team from the inside out. Spend the money on the lines. No lines = mediocre at best team.

Everyone knows by now what the most pressing need is in Dallas. And signing Spencer and/or Romo is not it. I would prefer to go 3-13 and get high draft picks to finally fix this nonsense than to continue with the 8-8 records.

Go in the bathroom and do this crying. You sound pathetic right now.

 

[cowboysooner]

Tom Condon is well known in his dealings. If the boys try to low ball Tony, he will insure that Tony makes lots of "business decisions" this year with that stinky "turnstyle" offensive line. I see lots of running for the sidelines in our future....

Tom Condon's $11mm per year franchise tackle just took $8.5mm on a four year deal. Condon is a deal maker and a practical guy. There is no doubt in my mind that he wants the Ryan deal to influence the Romo deal not the other way around. The Flacco deal complicates things immensely because until 3 months ago both Romo and especially Ryan were viewed as better quarterbacks than Flacco.

 

[Bowdown27]

Here's the problem when you talk about Romo's age, you need to account for the number of years that's he's played versus age, the reason is, is because a 33 year old is not on decline physically. The reason other QB's decline around this age is because of how long they've been beaten up. If you want to compare him to somebody then compare him to Kurt Warner. If he can play behind a decent line that can keep him upright, I see no reason that he doesn't play until 38 or so. He's the best option for right now, don't forget that every mistake we made on offense this year we made one on defense. A score is a two sided affair. Teams in the past have won with a great D and a sub par offense and vice versa, but having an average O and D will cost you games. I think we go offensive line in the 1st. Remember even with the mistakes that Romo has had, we have never had a problem putting up points, but we have never in recent history been able to stop the opposing offense when it mattered. I'm not saying Romo is the best QB in the league but he is good enough to win a SB, don't put in a situation that he doesn't excel in and you don't have to worry about him throwing an INT.

Tony has only been starting for us 6 years I believe. He started late obviously because of backing up quincy, bledsoe, testevarde etc. Technically let's say tony came right in and started he'd be only around 27 because of the years he laid in wait. He's 33 yes but its misleading because of the years he backed up other starters.

 

[Disturbed]

Go in the bathroom and do this crying. You sound pathetic right now.

So you don't agree but have no rebuttal or thoughts of your own, so you resort to a childish post. That is pathetic.

 

[Hook'em#11]

Fine with a 2 yr deal and the 3rd year an "out" deal or whatever.

Just hoping the FO realizes that they need to draft, find,steal a young QB to take over for this guy when he is gone.

and, they need to find him now. Or, hell, start looking.

 

[SDCowboy]

Fine with a 2 yr deal and the 3rd year an "out" deal or whatever.

Just hoping the FO realizes that they need to draft, find,steal a young QB to take over for this guy when he is gone.

and, they need to find him now. Or, hell, start looking.

You honestly think Romo will take anything less than a full 5 year deal? Come on. It would be self defeating for the team to to that also as they wouldn't be able to push his money back.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

So you don't agree but have no rebuttal or thoughts of your own, so you resort to a childish post. That is pathetic.

I thought it was a spot on reply. The crying about 8-8 is getting old and just makes people sound pathetic. And anyone who would even suggest we intentionally go 3-13 is a bandwagon fan of the highest order. Off to the bathroom with you.

 

[AbeBeta]

You honestly think Romo will take anything less than a full 5 year deal? Come on.

Do people honestly think that the length of a deal really matters? Pretty much every big deal we ever do is really just a three year commitment.

 

[Frozen700]

So you don't agree but have no rebuttal or thoughts of your own, so you resort to a childish post. That is pathetic.

Pathetic is sitting here on a message board and throwing a tantrum over something you can't control.

"I would prefer to go 3-13 and get high draft picks to finally fix this nonsense than to continue with the 8-8 records."

Listen to yourself....you are playing the role of God now? Predicting the future?

But if we happen to go 11-5 or better you will cheer out of control, and pretend this post never happened.

Is that what you tell your GF when you have issues?

"You know what babe, just cheat on me, get it out of the way...I rather you fulfill that need and we deal with it now, then for you to continue thinking about it, and ending up cheating later in life"

Get a hold of yourself, my God, you sound sad and heart broken.

 

[Disturbed]

I thought it was a spot on reply. The crying about 8-8 is getting old and just makes people sound pathetic. And anyone who would even suggest we intentionally go 3-13 is a bandwagon fan of the highest order. Off to the bathroom with you.

I disagree. My suggestion was to do something to be much better in the future. You obviously did not read or understand my post. And any person that is happy with the 8-8 records are the real bandwagon fans who does not really care.

 

[Frozen700]

I thought it was a spot on reply. The crying about 8-8 is getting old and just makes people sound pathetic. And anyone who would even suggest we intentionally go 3-13 is a bandwagon fan of the highest order. Off to the bathroom with you.

:laugh2: :laugh2:

Exactly!

 

[Frozen700]

I disagree. My suggestion was to do something to be much better in the future. You obviously did not read or understand my post. And any person that is happy with the 8-8 records are the real bandwagon fans who does not really care.

:laugh2:

His reply stung you that hard huh? To the point you just said anything, that did not even make sense.

 

[Disturbed]

Pathetic is sitting here on a message board and throwing a tantrum over something you can't control.

"I would prefer to go 3-13 and get high draft picks to finally fix this nonsense than to continue with the 8-8 records."

Listen to yourself....you are playing the role of God now? Predicting the future?

But if we happen to go 11-5 or better you will cheer out of control, and pretend this post never happened.

Is that what you tell your GF when you have issues?

"You know what babe, just cheat on me, get it out of the way...I rather you fulfill that need and we deal with it now, then for you to continue thinking about it, and ending up cheating later in life"

Get a hold of yourself, my God, you sound sad and heart broken.

I expressed my opinion, no tantrum. You don't agree, that is fine, move on.

 

[AbeBeta]

Just hoping the FO realizes that they need to draft, find,steal a young QB to take over for this guy when he is gone.

and, they need to find him now. Or, hell, start looking.

Yes. Let us draft a young guy now. Just in time for him to be hitting free agency near the end of Tony's deal. Perhaps then we can complain about how we gave a 6 year 100 million dollar deal to a guy who served as Tony's backup and didn't play

 

[Nightman]

Tony is guaranteed exactly $0 right now. His 11.5m salary this year is guaranteed Week 1, but beyond that he's been paid all he was owed from his 6/67.5m old contract.

If he is traded this year, his cap hit would go from 16.8m to 14.5m. His contract for the new team would still include 2013-2016 for a total of 52m, nothing guaranteed.

If he is on the roster all of 2013, the last three years of his deal void and he would be a FA. To franchise tag him at 14m(non-exclusive) they would also have to account for 9m in dead money for a cap hit of 23m. To use the non-exclusive would be 19m+ the 9m for a total of 28m in cap hits. Neither is very attractive for Dallas.

If he leaves for FA after 2013, his cap hit would be 9m for 2014.

The best deal for the Cowboys would to extend him and reduce his cap hit for the next few years with the bulk of the money coming over 3 years. Something like his original 6/67.5m deal. He is now 5 years older and doesn't have the SB wins other top dollar guys have. So something like 5/65m with 30-38m guaranteed.

20m signing bonus. 2013 and 2014 salary guaranteed, maybe 2015.

2013 4m+ 4m sb+ 4m old money= 12m cap hit
2014 6m+ 4m+ 3m old= 13m
2015 8m+ 4m+ 1.5m old= 13.5m. If cut after 2015 he would only have 8m in dead money left, which could be split over 2 years.
2016 12m(convert 9m into a sb) +4m+ 3m= 10m
2017 15m+ 4m+ 3m= 24m
2018 (added in 2016 restructure) 15m+ 3m= 18m

 

[Super_Kazuya]

I disagree. My suggestion was to do something to be much better in the future. You obviously did not read or understand my post. And any person that is happy with the 8-8 records are the real bandwagon fans who does not really care.

Nonsense... bandwagon fans only care about the team when they are winning. I actually LIKE football. The Cowboys gave me 17 games, most of them exciting with the final one on Sunday night with a chance to go to the playoffs, something more than half of the teams in the league can't say. Obviously I wish they would have won but they gave it their best shot. I'm not going to cry like we went 2-14 and were totally non-competitive. Bandwagon fans have no problem waiting out as many 2-14 seasons as necessary because they are not football fans and can return to watching when they are a winner again. They won't be suffering through like me.

As I said earlier, I wish complaining about 8-8 could be a bannable offense. It's just pathetic.

 

[Frozen700]

Nonsense... bandwagon fans only care about the team when they are winning. I actually LIKE football. The Cowboys gave me 17 games, most of them exciting with the final one on Sunday night with a chance to go to the playoffs, something more than half of the teams in the league can't say. Obviously I wish they would have won but they gave it their best shot. I'm not going to cry like we went 2-14 and were totally non-competitive. Bandwagon fans have no problem waiting out as many 2-14 seasons as necessary because they are not football fans and can return to watching when they are a winner again. They won't be suffering through like me.

As I said earlier, I wish complaining about 8-8 could be a bannable offense. It's just pathetic.

Agree with what you said about bandwagon fans

 

[DFWJC]

Tony is guaranteed exactly $0 right now. His 11.5m salary this year is guaranteed Week 1, but beyond that he's been paid all he was owed from his 6/67.5m old contract.

If he is traded this year, his cap hit would go from 16.8m to 14.5m. His contract for the new team would still include 2013-2016 for a total of 52m, nothing guaranteed.

If he is on the roster all of 2013, the last three years of his deal void and he would be a FA. To franchise tag him at 14m(non-exclusive) they would also have to account for 9m in dead money for a cap hit of 23m. To use the non-exclusive would be 19m+ the 9m for a total of 28m in cap hits. Neither is very attractive for Dallas.

If he leaves for FA after 2013, his cap hit would be 9m for 2014.

The best deal for the Cowboys would to extend him and reduce his cap hit for the next few years with the bulk of the money coming over 3 years. Something like his original 6/67.5m deal. He is now 5 years older and doesn't have the SB wins other top dollar guys have. So something like 5/65m with 30-38m guaranteed.

20m signing bonus. 2013 and 2014 salary guaranteed, maybe 2015.

2013 4m+ 4m sb+ 4m old money= 12m cap hit
2014 6m+ 4m+ 3m old= 13m
2015 8m+ 4m+ 1.5m old= 13.5m. If cut after 2015 he would only have 8m in dead money left, which could be split over 2 years.
2016 12m(convert 9m into a sb) +4m+ 3m= 10m
2017 15m+ 4m+ 3m= 24m
2018 (added in 2016 restructure) 15m+ 3m= 18m

Thanks bk.

Several good points in there for the masses to see.

I think the cap hit still being substancial even if the Cowboys trade him is a biggie.

BTW, If he takes 5/65 it would surprise me, but if the guranteed money is big than you never know. I'm assuming 5/80+. 35-40 guaranteed

I think age is a factor ina contract only as it realtes to the years in the contract and guaranteed money. If you think he will stay at this level (2011 and 2012 seasons) for anohter 4-5 years, you pay him just the same you would if he was 28 (unless you are projecting big improvement still formt he 28 year old). But if you think Romo will hit the wall in 2 years, the risk goes up and maybe the price goes down....or front load him big time.