Cowboys wanted Demarco back before he went to Titans

[Idgit]

Got the sentiment but you don't have any skin. Looks more like a red rug to me. But I got it....no RB at 4.

Do you use carpet shampoo on that?

No shampoo. I leave the yarn in its natural state and provide my own essential oils and proteins.

But the point remains: I'd yank my yarn out by the roots if we went RB at 4. I don't dislike Zeke, either. I think he's worth a late first, honestly. But it's a small universe of impact players up this high in the draft. Players that don't make it to free agency. You have to take them when you're up there, or else you're hoping to develop one on a long shot somewhere, and I don't want to be in that business at QB or DE.

 

[Bleu Star]

I wonder how 2015 would have ended if we had Murray. One of JJ biggest mistakes.

8-8 minimum.. because Tony would have never gotten hurt..........

 

[percyhoward]

8-8 minimum.. because Tony would have never gotten hurt..........

What's the record if we let Murray go, and Romo doesn't get hurt?

 

[jobberone]

Hate to argue with that avatar, but the actual plays say otherwise.

from 5-yard line or closer
% of runs resulting in TD
2014 (all 16 games) 9 of 17 (53%)
2015 (games 1-6) 5 of 7 (72%)
2015 (games 7-16) 0 of 3 (0%)

For the year, we scored on 5 of our 10 runs from the 5-yard line or closer (50%). That's not much different than the year before with Murray. And there's no reason (that I can think of) to believe that Murray would have made us more efficient inside the 5 this year without Romo than we were last year with Romo. In fact, common sense says it would have been harder for Murray this year, with Weeden and Cassel combining for a total of one TD pass inside the 10-yard line in their nine starts. Over his career, from inside the 10 -- with or without Murray -- Romo averages 12 TD over nine games, and they totaled 1. Defensive coordinators would have been foolish to respect Weeden or Cassel at all, much less respect them as much as they would Romo in those situations.

Conversion %
3rd or 4th down, 1-2 yards to go
Murray (2014) 19 of 26 -- 73%
McFadden (2015) 13 of 17 -- 77%

All short-yardage and goal line runs
Murray (2014) 25 of 32 -- 78%
McFadden (2015) 15 of 21 -- 71%

Doesn't matter how many times you post this. They either can't understand it or don't want to. In fact some are just ******* trolling.

 

[jobberone]

I wonder how 2015 would have ended if we had Murray. One of JJ biggest mistakes.

Good Grief.

 

[percyhoward]

Doesn't matter how many times you post this. They either can't understand it or don't want to. In fact some are just ******* trolling.

Andale, hombre.

 

[jobberone]

Andale, hombre.

Not meant to discourage you but to vent my frustration over the apparent lack of desire to dissect the game. Maybe if you keep saying it they will finally decide to unblock their brains.

Nevermind me. I get this way periodically as I lose total faith in the mentality of too many men.

 

[jobberone]

No shampoo. I leave the yarn in its natural state and provide my own essential oils and proteins.

But the point remains: I'd yank my yarn out by the roots if we went RB at 4. I don't dislike Zeke, either. I think he's worth a late first, honestly. But it's a small universe of impact players up this high in the draft. Players that don't make it to free agency. You have to take them when you're up there, or else you're hoping to develop one on a long shot somewhere, and I don't want to be in that business at QB or DE.

Preaching to the choir brother but couldn't agree more.

 

[JoeKing]

The Cowboys wanted Murray before he left for Philly and a fist full of dollars, they just didn't want him as bad as someone else did. So now we have a similar situation, Cowboys want him but someone else wanted him more. For the second time, Murray has made a business decision and chosen to play for a team other than the Cowboys over money. Good for him.

 

[percyhoward]

Not meant to discourage you but to vent my frustration over the apparent lack of desire to dissect the game. Maybe if you keep saying it they will finally decide to unblock their brains.

Nevermind me. I get this way periodically as I lose total faith in the mentality of too many men.

I realize the Spanish was potentially ambiguous, but I meant that in the sense of "hell yeah."

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Doesn't matter how many times you post this. They either can't understand it or don't want to. In fact some are just ******* trolling.

Not that I disagree but we didn't get in those situations enough this part season. 10 compared to 17 is huge. Granted we didn't have Romo but I'm not sure you can compare.

I want to upgrade RB in the draft because I don't trust McFadden or Dunbar to stay healthy. Our OL proved they can block, now let's get a beast of a stud back there to hand him the ball and go to work. ....doesn't matter what round, I like Dixon, but I don't like the idea of only McFadden back there

 

[Bleu Star]

What's the record if we let Murray go, and Romo doesn't get hurt?

Let me put that one into the whizzinator.

6-10

 

[Beast_from_East]

They tried last season, too. I don't think it matters much.

RB hasn't been our problem anyway.

I disagree my friend, we were last in the league converting 3rd and 1..........so yes, the running game was a problem last year. If we had converted more of those 3rd and 1s, then maybe we would not have been 31st in offense because a fresh set of downs might have led to more points.

The article states that Dallas and Philly had talks all week long about a boomerang trade of Murray back to Dallas. The Cowboys would not have wasted an entire week trying to work a trade out if they didn't think there was a problem with the running game last year. Now add the news of Dallas having a hard on for Lamar Miller and you can put two and two together.

The powers that be at Valley Ranch obviously think there is a problem with the running game, otherwise why are they bothering about trading for or signing a starting caliber RB if its not a problem?

 

[percyhoward]

Let me put that one into the whizzinator.

6-10

 

[Bleu Star]

I disagree my friend, we were last in the league converting 3rd and 1..........so yes, the running game was a problem last year. If we had converted more of those 3rd and 1s, then maybe we would not have been 31st in offense because a fresh set of downs might have led to more points.

The article states that Dallas and Philly had talks all week long about a boomerang trade of Murray back to Dallas. The Cowboys would not have wasted an entire week trying to work a trade out if they didn't think there was a problem with the running game last year. Now add the news of Dallas having a hard on for Lamar Miller and you can put two and two together.

The powers that be at Valley Ranch obviously think there is a problem with the running game, otherwise why are they bothering about trading for or signing a starting caliber RB if its not a problem?

Right...

But don't let the stat guys see this. In their world everything is black and white.

 

[DandyDon52]

The Cowboys wanted Murray before he left for Philly and a fist full of dollars, they just didn't want him as bad as someone else did. So now we have a similar situation, Cowboys want him but someone else wanted him more. For the second time, Murray has made a business decision and chosen to play for a team other than the Cowboys over money. Good for him.

You could say cowboys went cheap and struck out both times.
But we really dont know all the details, so it is all speculation.
Both the teams and the player have to agree to terms, or the trade cannot happen.

Phil could have made different offers to Tenn and Cowboys.
By that i mean they could have asked for more if he goes to cowboys since it is a div rival, and I think
it makes sense that they would not want murray going back to dallas, unless it was only trade offer they had.

Since Tenn wanted him too , it could be they softened the deal with tenn so they get rid of Murray, and dallas does not
get him back.
For example phil might take a 6th round pick from tenn, but wanted a 3rd round from dallas.

It could also be that Murray wanted to go to Tenn, as some reports said phil allowed him to reach out to Tenn,
like he wanted to go there for some reason.

It would be nice to know all the details, but I doubt we will be informed of them, just some general terms, which may
or may not be accurate.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Right...

But don't let the stat guys see this. In their world everything is black and white.

I hear you bro..............I don't need any stat guys to tell me the running game is fine, I watched every dam game last year and I saw us getting stuffed many times on short yardage.

And their argument that everything is fine is based on an illogical premise. If the Cowboys thought that the RB position was fine with McFadden, why would they spend an entire week trying to work out a trade to bring Murray back? You don't waste an entire week trying to work a trade out for a player if you don't think that player would significantly improve your team.

So I ask the question again, if Cowboys think Murray would have significantly upgraded the team, then doesn't that by definition imply that they think the RB is currently inadequate in some way?

 

[Idgit]

I disagree my friend, we were last in the league converting 3rd and 1..........so yes, the running game was a problem last year. If we had converted more of those 3rd and 1s, then maybe we would not have been 31st in offense because a fresh set of downs might have led to more points.

The article states that Dallas and Philly had talks all week long about a boomerang trade of Murray back to Dallas. The Cowboys would not have wasted an entire week trying to work a trade out if they didn't think there was a problem with the running game last year. Now add the news of Dallas having a hard on for Lamar Miller and you can put two and two together.

The powers that be at Valley Ranch obviously think there is a problem with the running game, otherwise why are they bothering about trading for or signing a starting caliber RB if its not a problem?

The short yardage exception is the one important exception to the rule, so you're definitely right in that regard. I'd hazard to guess with our QB in the lineup and the exact same running game, we wouldn't have been ranked so low offensively.

But I don't fundamentally disagree with you. We had a competent running game last season. There's room to improve it, for sure, and getting Murray back would have improved it. I don't much care what we do with it, either way, though if it comes at the cost of improving almost any other area of the team. I'm all for a reasonable upgrade if we can get one.

 

[Idgit]

Right...

But don't let the stat guys see this. In their world everything is black and white.

If by 'black and white' you mean 'measurable,' and if by 'everything' you mean 'most things,' then, yes.

 

[JoeKing]

Murray got to rest and recover from his heavy load the Cowboys put on him. I expect TEN to get a really good season out of him next season... if they use him right.