Cowboys wanted Demarco back before he went to Titans

Bullflop said:
I'm fairly dumbfounded that Dallas even considered dealing with Philly for Murray's services.

Our chances of getting an affordable deal from our division rivals in Philly were non-existent.
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Lol. But we tried for a whole week. Says a lot to those of us willing to listen.
 
Bleu Star said:
I clearly saw numerous occasion last year where DMC was swallowed whole by short yardage situations...My eyes are 20/20.
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It's not your eyes that you're depending on here -- it's your memory. Here are all of McFadden's short-yardage runs in 2015.

9/20 at PHI 13-3 (4th q 11:21) 3rd & 2 on own 48: first down
10/25 at NYG 13-17 (3rd q 9:58) 3rd & 2 on own 28: first down
10/25 at NYG 13-20 (4th q 10:53) 3rd & 1 on own 29: first down
11/1 vs SEA 0-3 (1st q 8:03) 3rd & 2 on own 28: first down
11/1 vs SEA 0-3 (1st q 4:43) 3rd & 1 on opp 45: stopped
11/1 vs SEA 0-3 (1st q 4:26) 4th & 1 on opp 45: first down
11/1 vs SEA 12-10 (4th q 7:40) 3rd & 2 on own 35: stopped
11/8 vs PHI 0-0 (1st q 8:15) 4th & 1 on opp 9: first down
11/8 vs PHI 7-0 (1st q 0:25) 3rd & 1 on own 21: first down
11/8 vs PHI 7-7 (2nd q 6:14) 3rd & 2 on own 38: first down
11/8 vs PHI 7-7 (3rd q 13:47) 3rd & 1 on own 29: stopped
11/15 at TAM 0-0 (1st q 9:03) 3rd & 1 on opp 43: first down
11/22 at MIA 0-0 (1st q 5:37) 4th & 1 on own 45: first down
11/22 at MIA 7-0 (2nd q 7:02) 3rd & 1 on own 23: first down
11/26 vs CAR 6-33 (4th q 7:20) 3rd & 1 on opp 35: first down
12/07 at WAS 6-9 (4th q 5:09) 3rd & 1 on opp 1: stopped
12/19 at NYJ 13-9 (3rd q 0:26) 3rd & 1 on own 22: first down

Short-Yardage Conversion Percentage, 2015
McFadden's runs 13 of 17 (76.5%)
all passes 6 of 13 (46.2%)


DandyDon52 said:
The stats can only tell part of the story, not all of it and not the important parts. For example if it is 4th and 1 and we are trying to run the clock out to win the game, and the RB gets the first down, that is just one time in stats, but it is a very important run in that game and in getting a win. Stats don't factor in game situations, play calling, errors made etc.
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Here are all of Murray's short-yardage runs in 2014.

9/7 vs SF 3-21 (2nd q 4:17) 3rd & 1 on own 10: first down
9/7 vs SF 3-28 (3rd q 0:33) 4th & 1 on opp 2: touchdown
9/14 at TEN 10-0 (2nd q 9:21) 3rd & 1 on own 26: first down
9/14 at TEN 26-10 (4th q 5:29) 3rd & 2 on own 14: first down
9/21 at STL 17-21 (3rd q 3:29) 3rd & 1 on opp 17: stopped
9/28 vs NO 7-0 (1st q 2:15) 3rd & 1 on own 20: first down
9/28 vs NO 17-0 (2nd q 1:22) 3rd & 1 on opp 46: first down
9/28 vs NO 24-3 (3rd q 10:19) 3rd & 2 on own 32: first down
10/5 vs HOU 0-0 (1st q 9:57) 3rd & 1 on own 43: first down
10/5 vs HOU 0-0 (1st q 4:37) 3rd & 1 on opp 12: stopped
10/5 vs HOU 17-17 (OT 11:38) 3rd & 1 on own 19: first down
10/12 at SEA 17-10 (3rd q 14-14) 3rd & 1 on own 36: first down
10/19 vs NYG 28-21 (4th q 4:04) 3rd & 1 on own 29: first down
11/2 vs ARI 7-0 (1st q 7:34) 3rd & 1 on own 26: first down
11/2 vs ARI 10-14 (4th q 9:41) 4th & 1 on opp 34: stopped
11/9 at JAC 10-7 (2nd q 14:15) 3rd & 1 on own 35: first down
11/23 at NYG 24-28 (4th q 2:06) 3rd & 1 on own 29: first down
11/27 vs PHI 0-7 (1st q 10:52) 3rd & 1 on own 29: first down
11/27 vs PHI 10-33 (4th q 9:31) 4th & 1 on opp 43: stopped
12/4 at CHI 0-0 (2nd q 13:32) 3rd & 1 on opp 13: stopped
12/4 at CHI 0-0 (2nd q 13:10) 4th & 1 on opp 13: first down
12/4 at CHI 0-0 (2nd q 10:53) 4th & 1 on opp 1: touchdown
12/14 at PHI 35-27 (4th q 9:13) 3rd & 1 on own 29: stopped
12/21 vs IND 28-0 (3rd q 7:34) 3rd & 1 on opp 43: first down
12/28 at WAS 10-7 (1st q 3:05) 3rd & 1 on own 45: first down
12/28 at WAS 27-10 (3rd q 6:43) 3rd & 1 on opp 37: stopped

Short-Yardage Conversion Percentage, 2014
Murray's runs 19 of 26 (73.1%)
all passes 13 of 18 (72.2%)

The big missing factor when looking at these short-yardage runs is the performance of the passing game both seasons. In 2015, defenses knew Dallas was having trouble converting by the pass and that the Cowboys ran in these situations 75% of the time when Weeden and Cassel were playing (NFL average was 55% run). Defenses could guess run, usually be right, and seldom suffer when they were wrong.

In 2014, we ran 63% of the time, compared to the league average of 57%, so defenses had to play us honest. And we were equally as successful passing as running in short yardage. Any defender who guessed pass and was wrong was at the mercy of one of the league's top run offenses. Any defender who guessed run and was wrong was at the mercy of the league's leading passer.

Same situation as when we were inside the 5-yard line, where the gap between the two passing games grows even wider.
 
Bleu Star said:
A token offer does not equate to a week of negotiations.

Does not compute.
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A week of negotiations is a huge stretch at best.
They obviously discussed what Philly wanted in trade and if DeMarco would restructure.

Again if the deal wasn't better than Tennessee's it wasn't that serious.

Since when does Dallas get outbid if they really want to make the deal?

This is another in a long line of possible RB moves that haven't happened.
What did happen was a cheap deal done for DMC. And that worked out great.
I am guessing whatever deal happens next will also work out great.

That OL is going to insure it.
 
Demarco out of philly and now in tenn. I've been out of loop and am just seeing this.

I thought we should have kept the band together last year. Didn't happen. I'm good.
We didn't take him back. I'm good.
 
bkight13 said:
and they went from 2nd to 9th
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9th in yards is outstanding for a team that ranks 18th in rushing attempts.

When you drop from 1st to 30th in passer rating, you don't have nearly as many leads, so your rushing attempts go down, and so does your ranking in rushing yards. That doesn't indicate a decline in OL performance.
 
percyhoward said:
9th in yards is outstanding for a team that ranks 18th in rushing attempts.

When you drop from 1st to 30th in passer rating, you don't have nearly as many leads, so your rushing attempts go down, and so does your ranking in rushing yards. That doesn't indicate a decline in OL performance.
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Outstanding, that is hilarious
 
bkight13 said:
Outstanding, that is hilarious
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All else being equal, a team that ranks 18th in attempts is supposed to rank 18th in yards. If it's a good rushing team with that many attempts, it should rank higher than 15th. Very good, higher than 12th. 9th is excellent.

Go find all the top 10 rushing teams that ranked 9 spots higher in yards than attempts. Dallas is the only one. No team did it last year, and only the Vikings (with a HOF back) did it the year before that.
 
I wish Demarco well. (tear) :banghead:

He was to us what Randle and DMC could never be. That is a threat at RB that caused opposing defenses to make adjustments... thereby leaving a multitude of other options open for Linehan & crew. Stat that.
 
Bleu Star said:
Murray was to us what Randle and DMC could never be. That is a threat at RB that caused opposing defenses to make adjustments... thereby leaving a multitude of other options open for Linehan & crew.
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Besides being able to play the run most of the time, how else did defenses approach us differently in 2015?
 
Bleu Star said:
Nice work Titans. Creativity when negotiating. Imagine that.
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They technically had to trade something I guess. Losing 13 spots in the 4th is pretty minimal.

Even the swapping from 13 to 8 with MIA is not as bad as giving up #64 in the third.

PHI did OK to get anything but they did lose 3 starters.
 
percyhoward said:
Besides being able to play the run most of the time, how else did defenses approach us differently in 2015?
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You didn't know teams were so scared of Murray they ignored Romo to Dez????

Yet were so scared of Weed/Cas/Moore they played all dime???

Seriously, there is no helping someone see the obvious but I applaud you for trying to lead the horses to water.
 
alicetooljam said:
Got him for NOTHING....makes you wonder what they asked the Cowboys for....
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Nothing plus that albatross of a contract.

Why does everyone keep acting like that ridiculous contract Murray got just goes away with the trade?
 
casmith07 said:
Nothing plus that albatross of a contract.

Why does everyone keep acting like that ridiculous contract Murray got just goes away with the trade?
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Because he agreed to restructure down to 6.5m a year and only 13m guaranteed. His deal is now less than Lamar Miller or Doug Martin.
 
jterrell said:
Because he agreed to restructure down to 6.5m a year and only 13m guaranteed. His deal is now less than Lamar Miller or Doug Martin.
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Not with the incentives. The contract is almost identical. If he gets cut he gets 9m just like with PHI.

Now 4/25.5-33m
Then 4/31m

Both have 3m in guarantees that kick in next March.
 
bkight13 said:
Not with the incentives. The contract is almost identical. If he gets cut he gets 9m just like with PHI.

Now 4/25.5-33m
Then 4/31m

Both have 3m in guarantees that kick in next March.
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Yours will get ignored too. :D I see them though.
 
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