Crayton and Holley: Jason Garrett sabotaged Wade Phillips (audio)

[Proximo]

It's not like Jerry has ever changed his mind. Had Garrett been a colossal failure in that try out period there is no telling what Jerry does.

You know, this is an interesting topic to ponder. In my opinion, if Garrett would've been a colossal failure to end 2010 (meaning zero or one win) I think Jerry (despite wanting to keep Garrett) goes out and gets an experienced HC. However, with that being said, I don't think Garrett had to do a whole heck of a lot to get Jerry's buy in. Jerry was going to look for whatever positives there were to end that season as confirmation that Garrett was his man.

 

[Proximo]

Actually the Texans, following a 2-14 season, are in a better position than we are.

I disagree with this statement. They may be in a better draft position, but there's no guarantee that they're in a better overall position than we are heading into the 2014 season.

Is their roster better than ours is right now? Will it be in 5 months? Is their coaching staff better? Just because they have higher picks than us in the draft does it guarantee that they'll draft better players?

Saying that a team like the Texans is definitely in better shape than us right now is a reach at best. A far reach.

Every year there at least a few teams that improve greatly and a few that fall hard. How many people thought the Falcons were going to be so bad in 2013? How bout the Commanders? Giants? Texans? How many people really thought the Chiefs would turn it around this quickly? It's waaaay to difficult to predict theses things in the modern NFL.

 

[ConstantReboot]

I hear ya. I'm no huge Garrett fan by any means. However, his defense crapped too so it can't be blamed entirely on Garrett. When we went 13-3 we were ranked 4th overall in defense. The following year we were ranked 19th. Then 8th. Then 21st......Up, Down........Typical of the Cowboys and no different than what we're getting now. Honestly, I think they've both failed to take this team to the next level. Not to mention JJ.

Im all in agreement with you. Some folks still blame Wade. But Garrett was part of that fiasco as well and they're not asking for his head. They both should have been canned and we could have started over again. If we did we probably wouldn't have ended with this 8-8 mediocrity. I would rather go 4-12 or 12-4 rather than be stuck at 8-8 and another coach could have brought us that.

Those players are right though when they said no coach has gone 8-8 3 years in a row and still got away with it like Garrett.

 

[jnday]

Wow you're going off on all sorts of tangents that have nothing to do with what I stated in this thread.

My point was that I find it disgusting that there's fans of this team that hope for our failure just so they can see someone they dislike get fired. I stand by that statement.

And I was also greatly amused by your assertion that me (or anyone else on here, for that matter) has excused Jerry's incompetence. Where the heck did you even get that from??

How you arrived at that conclusion is beyond mind boggling.

In Garrett's case, many fans have come to the conclusion that this team will not get any better until he is fired. He has had his chance and he's failed. Jerry is not going to fire himself, but many Cowboy fans and all of the pro football world knows that this team will continue to be a circus as long as he fills the GM position. Fans would rather see a losing season or two if it means a coaching change that would bring some kinda hope. Jerry is not going to make the change until he is forced to by losing seasons. Sometimes the long term has to be considered and Garrett being fired would be the best thing for the Dallas Cowboys. If it comes at the expense of a losing season, so be it.

 

[birdwells1]

I disagree with this statement. They may be in a better draft position, but there's no guarantee that they're in a better overall position than we are heading into the 2014 season.

Is their roster better than ours is right now? Will it be in 5 months? Is their coaching staff better? Just because they have higher picks than us in the draft does it guarantee that they'll draft better players?

Saying that a team like the Texans is definitely in better shape than us right now is a reach at best. A far reach.

Every year there at least a few teams that improve greatly and a few that fall hard. How many people thought the Falcons were going to be so bad in 2013? How bout the Commanders? Giants? Texans? How many people really thought the Chiefs would turn it around this quickly? It's waaaay to difficult to predict theses things in the modern NFL.

They don't have the obsticles (front office) that we have so you'll have a more traditional structure in place to pick the talent. Some have said that this is the deepest draft they've seen in quite some time, so that means that their second round pick will be like other years 1st round picks and so on. I just don't think that we can go 8-8, pick in the middle of the draft and build this team to be competitive for the long haul because we don't have the people nor the structure in place to accomplish this.

 

[LatinMind]

Lol everybody was calling Crayton the scum of the earth. Now all of the sudden he;s the darling because he is talking about Garrett?

 

[birdwells1]

In Garrett's case, many fans have come to the conclusion that this team will not get any better until he is fired. He has had his chance and he's failed. Jerry is not going to fire himself, but many Cowboy fans and all of the pro football world knows that this team will continue to be a circus as long as he fills the GM position. Fans would rather see a losing season or two if it means a coaching change that would bring some kinda hope. Jerry is not going to make the change until he is forced to by losing seasons. Sometimes the long term has to be considered and Garrett being fired would be the best thing for the Dallas Cowboys. If it comes at the expense of a losing season, so be it.

Yeah, that's why I think that it'll take a special coach coupled with JJ just removing himself somewhat from the operations for this team to get back to where we all want them.

That's the reason I was hoping that we could somehow get Sean Payton last year but as some predicted it wasn't to be.

 

[Proximo]

They don't have the obsticles (front office) that we have so you'll have a more traditional structure in place to pick the talent. Some have said that this is the deepest draft they've seen in quite some time, so that means that their second round pick will be like other years 1st round picks and so on. I just don't think that we can go 8-8, pick in the middle of the draft and build this team to be competitive for the long haul because we don't have the people nor the structure in place to accomplish this.

They have a more "traditional structure in place to pick the talent"? So what. Plenty of teams have a "more traditional structure in place" and don't pick talent as well as we do, AND continue to have worse records than us, year after year.

You're stating that the Texans are in a better position than we are. They have a roster that produced 2 wins last year and we have no idea whether their coaching changes are the right moves for them or not. If you're so sure that they're better off than us, and expect them to be better in 2014, then I have a proposal for you:

If the Cowboys have a more successful season in 2014 than the Texans, I will own your avatar and sig from the day after the Super Bowl until the 2015 Draft. Vice versa if the Texans have a better season than the Cowboys.

If you're so sure, let's have a friendly wager.

 

[skinsscalper]

They have a more "traditional structure in place to pick the talent"? So what. Plenty of teams have a "more traditional structure in place" and don't pick talent as well as we do, AND continue to have worse records than us, year after year.

You're stating that the Texans are in a better position than we are. They have a roster that produced 2 wins last year and we have no idea whether their coaching changes are the right moves for them or not. If you're so sure that they're better off than us, and expect them to be better in 2014, then I have a proposal for you:

If the Cowboys have a more successful season in 2014 than the Texans, I will own your avatar and sig from the day after the Super Bowl until the 2015 Draft. Vice versa if the Texans have a better season than the Cowboys.

If you're so sure, let's have a friendly wager.

Balls. I like it. Too many flailing jaws around here and not an ounce of balls to back it up. Kudos.

 

[birdwells1]

They have a more "traditional structure in place to pick the talent"? So what. Plenty of teams have a "more traditional structure in place" and don't pick talent as well as we do, AND continue to have worse records than us, year after year.

You're stating that the Texans are in a better position than we are. They have a roster that produced 2 wins last year and we have no idea whether their coaching changes are the right moves for them or not. If you're so sure that they're better off than us, and expect them to be better in 2014, then I have a proposal for you:

If the Cowboys have a more successful season in 2014 than the Texans, I will own your avatar and sig from the day after the Super Bowl until the 2015 Draft. Vice versa if the Texans have a better season than the Cowboys.

If you're so sure, let's have a friendly wager.

Deal and I'll be rooting for you to win because I live in the greater Houston area and besides the NFC East I dislike them more than any other team in the league, when they're winning it's unbearable.

My point is that 8-8 just sucks if you're not going to seriously compete then I'd rather go 3-13 and build than just win enough games to get a mediocre draft position.

 

[Proximo]

Deal and I'll be rooting for you to win because I live in the greater Houston area and besides the NFC East I dislike them more than any other team in the league, when they're winning it's unbearable.

My point is that 8-8 just sucks if you're not going to seriously compete then I'd rather go 3-13 and build than just win enough games to get a mediocre draft position.

Deal confirmed. Just to clarify the specifics:

This wager is based on which team has the more successful season (whoever is closer to the Super Bowl).

If neither team makes the playoffs, the team with the better record is the winner. If one team makes the playoffs, and the other does not, the team that made the playoffs is the winner (regardless of regular season record). If both teams make the playoffs, the team that makes it further is the winner (regardless of record). There are no tiebreakers and a draw will result in no loser and no winner.

If you disagree with this speak now my friend.

 

[birdwells1]

Uh ok deal.

 

[birdwells1]

Balls. I like it. Too many flailing jaws around here and not an ounce of balls to back it up. Kudos.

Thanks........oh you were talking about me, my bad.

 

[DWhite Fan]

Crayton screwed up no doubt , but if you actually watch the play, it sucked, so you can't credit Garrett. Romo was running for his life to the left sideline, buying time and none of the routes had anybody open. Crayton actually came and got open free wheeling.

And Jacque Reeves single handedly gave the Giants a TD right before the half.

That is the play that is forever etched in my craw...absolutely changed the game...stupid play by a stupid player...

 

[jobberone]

In other news, several people at least one saw Elvis coming out of a KFC outside Memphis....or maybe it was out of a UFO...or sumpin'.

Here's the report:

 

[Proximo]

In other news, several people at least one saw Elvis coming out of a KFC outside Memphis....or maybe it was out of a UFO...or sumpin'.

Here's the report:

I love KFC. Extra crispy. Delicious.

Very unhealthy though.

 

[casmith07]

I love KFC. Extra crispy. Delicious.

Very unhealthy though.

Popeye's is the standard. Much better than KFC.

 

[Proximo]

Popeye's is the standard. Much better than KFC.

Ahh yes, good old Popeye's. I do have one of those in my area and it is indeed better than KFC, especially their biscuits.

I'm always down for some slimy, greasy, crunchy KFC though.

 

[casmith07]

Ahh yes, good old Popeye's. I do have one of those in my area and it is indeed better than KFC, especially their biscuits.

I'm always down for some slimy, greasy, crunchy KFC though.

The biscuits and the red beans and rice are two of the main reasons I go.

Nothing better than sopping a biscuit with leftover sauce from the red beans.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Actually the Texans, following a 2-14 season, are in a better position than we are.

In this QB driven league, not hardly.