Crayton and Holley: Jason Garrett sabotaged Wade Phillips (audio)

[theebs]

Man after listening to Holley on the pre game show all year I don't know why anyone would have him on for any reason at all. He is a complete dope.

On top of that he was a bad football player.

Crayton on the other hand was a good player who has turned into a really grumpy retired player.

My favorite bit Holley did on the pregame this year was when he went into this big speech about how guys in New England are never on tv/radio and never get in trouble and are all good guys.

I think the horrible jets and Commanders fans that host the pregame show were embarrassed for him saying that and didn't even state the obvious.

Umm dude you won a reality tv show to get a camp invite and Aaron Hernandez just murdered someone.

Anyway, who cares what either says honestly at this point. We all know what Garrett is the mystery is long gone.

 

[birdwells1]

In this QB driven league, not hardly.

I think Wilson is a good young qb but the rest of the team around him is excellent, I feel the same way about the 49ers and they are considered by some as the #1 and #2 teams in the league.

 

[Gameover]

Does Jesse Holley realize he's Jesse Holley? #shutup #Knowyourrole

 

[Wayne02]

Holley is the biggest joke that has ever been attached with the Dallas Cowboys. It was a mistake from the beginning to have a reality show to bring a guy off the street on the team, and now he has the nerve to talk junk. I can't stand Crayton but at least he was a contributor for the Cowboys, ever since this bum Holly has been cut, he has done nothing but run his mouth about the team that literally gave him a chance to play pro football without him having to even earn it. I'm no fan of Garrett but when a washed up has been like Crayton, and a former reality show, fake football player are the one's doing the criticizing, I have a hard time taking it seriously.

 

[Alexander]

Holley is the biggest joke that has ever been attached with the Dallas Cowboys. It was a mistake from the beginning to have a reality show to bring a guy off the street on the team, and now he has the nerve to talk junk. I can't stand Crayton but at least he was a contributor for the Cowboys, ever since this bum Holly has been cut, he has done nothing but run his mouth about the team that literally gave him a chance to play pro football without him having to even earn it. I'm no fan of Garrett but when a washed up has been like Crayton, and a former reality show, fake football player are the one's doing the criticizing, I have a hard time taking it seriously.

Interesting.

I remember after the 49er game, there were a bunch of people around here who respected him to no end and were admiring his Cinderella story. But now, he's a fake football player who has a lot of nerve to talk junk.

 

[Wayne02]

Interesting.

I remember after the 49er game, there were a bunch of people around here who respected him to no end and were admiring his Cinderella story. But now, he's a fake football player who has a lot of nerve to talk junk.

I certainly wasn't on here gushing over him, I was upset that he couldn't get in the end zone while having a 30 yard advantage on the safety who bit on the play action.

 

[Dodger12]

And I'm still waiting for you to show me where I excused Jerry's incompetence. You made the assertion. Now back it up.

You're a Jerry (and JG) apologist right down to his appearance at the Oscars. You've been more critical of the fan base than you have been about the guy who puts this abortion on the field and the guy who coaches them to improbable losses. That's your shtick, all the way down to excusing the draft as some sort of luck and a crap shoot.

You point fingers and complain about the fans for every perceived slight of Jerry or Garrett. Why don't you show me one post where you hold Jerry accountable for the state of this team?

Me personally, I realize that I cannot affect change within the Cowboys organization and in the way they do things. I simply continue to support and hope that whatever choices are made turn out to be the right ones and get us back to the promised land.

It doesn't matter when a person became a fan. The point is, if you hate Jerry and the product he puts out, why continue to be a fan? It literally makes no sense.

All I can do is shake my head when I read this stuff about people wanting to boycott the team that they're supposedly a fan of. Seriously, if you disagree with the way the team is run so strongly, to the point that you can't even enjoy getting some sweet gear as a gift, it's time to look for a new hobby.

Honestly, if you've let your disdain for Jerry grow to the point that it takes away from the fun and enjoyment of being a Cowboys fan, you should really at least consider being a fan of a different team. One who's philosophy you do agree with and can actually get behind.

There is no way a person can logically explain being a fan of this team when they hate the owner, hate the coach, hate the philosophy, and most of the players. At that point what about the Cowboys are you even a fan of? Who in their right mind would be a fan of something that makes them miserable?

Those are the fans I was referring to in my original post. Like I said before, sometimes all I can do is shake my head, and laugh at the stuff that gets posted here.

SERIOUSLY. It's pathetic sometimes.

This is a fan base that is scared of the opposition no matter what. Any time we lose it's because we're inferior, and any time we win it's dumb luck. Because you know we have the worst coaching staff in the league and a grossly overrated roster. It must be a miracle that we've made it this far!

Secondly, "room" for negative posts and a board overrun by negative posts are 2 different things. Especially after we just beat a rival.

Saying that Jerry is "perfectly happy to be 8-8" is ludicrous and absurd. We're fans on a message board who lead lives that involve the Dallas Cowboys as a hobby in some capacity. Do you realize that the Cowboys are Jerry's life? This guy sleeps, eats, and breathes Dallas Cowboys. It consumes him, every day of his life. To suggest that he's perfectly happy being a .500 club is silly.

Good lord, they've been trying to do something about it ever since they fell off. Just because the things they've tried haven't worked, it doesn't mean Jerry's perfectly happy being 8-8.

The draft is FAR from an exact science and much more of a crap shoot than most on here want to admit. Look at the perennial bottom of the barrel teams that have high picks nearly every year and blow them over and over.

I think the OP's point is that JG isn't the only coach in the league who has game/time management gaffes. The man is under such a microscope around here he is sometimes made out to be the worst HC in the league. Look at Reid last night, and Harbaugh today. JG isn't the only coach to fouls things up from time to time. IT HAPPENS.

But at the same time, watching and observing other teams, specifically these playoff teams, can add perspective. We have members of this fan base who literally act like Garrett's the worst coach in the league, and the only one to make these types of mistakes. In the last 2 days we watched 2 SB caliber coaches make AWFUL game management choices. It's not excusable, but it happens to the best of'em.

Wha? People beat on JG day in and day out on here. The OP was just adding some perspective as far as I'm concerned.

Yes, we definitely need luck to be on our side in the draft this year.

It's honestly disgusting. I swear this place turned into the "Seahawks" zone after the SB. Thank god that phase of the offseason is over. The amount of gushing that goes on around here over "teams that our fans wish we were" is gross.

 

[BHendri5]

I care shows his level of integrity and what type if man he is. Wade was a bad head coach and should have never been hired to this point I can say the same about Garrett.

No, you cannot. Wade has had 5 HCing jobs and he has been the same at every stop, a 500 HC. This is Garrett's first gig, Name a coach that came right out of the gate winning. It has always taken 2,3, 4 yrs to get it together, some it took 2 or 3 different organizations, or going down to college and then coming back to the NFL, some never get it, but keep getting jobs, like wade, come on now, do not just be a fan, know the game

 

[BHendri5]

You know waht, all these people want to blame a first time HC, for what they do not even have a clue about, but a coach like wade who has had 5 opporutnities as a HC and his MO is always the same, the first season the team does well, but every season after that his team goes down hill and he gets fired. It took everyone's favorite coach Jimmy 3yrs and if Minnesota had not thought they were getting over on us, it probably would have taken him another year or two. It took the great Patriots coach 3 times to before he got it right, the Pete Carroll, had 2 tries and then he went to college for years and then came back, so Garrett is in a very good position, he at least has stayed at 500, I'll take that all day long, verses going less than 500, before he gets it right,. At least we are 500, and as long as Jerry leaves him alone and let him keep putting his type of players together we will get there. We are close

 

[jnday]

No, you cannot. Wade has had 5 HCing jobs and he has been the same at every stop, a 500 HC. This is Garrett's first gig, Name a coach that came right out of the gate winning. It has always taken 2,3, 4 yrs to get it together, some it took 2 or 3 different organizations, or going down to college and then coming back to the NFL, some never get it, but keep getting jobs, like wade, come on now, do not just be a fan, know the game

No Wade hasn't been a .500 coach at every stop. IIRC his winning percentage was .604 in Dallas.

 

[Proximo]

You're a Jerry (and JG) apologist right down to his appearance at the Oscars. You've been more critical of the fan base than you have been about the guy who puts this abortion on the field and the guy who coaches them to improbable losses. That's your shtick, all the way down to excusing the draft as some sort of luck and a crap shoot.

You point fingers and complain about the fans for every perceived slight of Jerry or Garrett. Why don't you show me one post where you hold Jerry accountable for the state of this team?

LOL. And where in any if that do I excuse Jerry's incompetence?? I'm flattered that you spent the time sifting through my posts on here to pick and choose the ones you felt helped your case. Truly, I'm flattered. However, any reasonable person would realize that cherry picked posts like that prove absolutely nothing, especially when it's impossible to know who or what I was responding to without going back and reading every thread to understand the context.

I stand by every single post I've made on this board, ever. And my original point stands: it's disgusting that there's fans of this team who hope for our failure just so they can see someone they dislike get fired.

 

[Dodger12]

LOL. And where in any if that do I excuse Jerry's incompetence?? I'm flattered that you spent the time sifting through my posts on here to pick and choose the ones you felt helped your case. Truly, I'm flattered. However, any reasonable person would realize that cherry picked posts like that prove absolutely nothing, especially when it's impossible to know who or what I was responding to without going back and reading every thread to understand the context.

I stand by every single post I've made on this board, ever. And my original point stands: it's disgusting that there's fans of this team who hope for our failure just so they can see someone they dislike get fired.

There was no cherry picking needed since your posts are all the same the same regarding Jerry, attack the fan who made any perceived slight. Can you point me to one post where you hold Jerry accountable or are critical of Jerry? I'll wait.

 

[Tawney88]

No, you cannot. Wade has had 5 HCing jobs and he has been the same at every stop, a 500 HC. This is Garrett's first gig, Name a coach that came right out of the gate winning. It has always taken 2,3, 4 yrs to get it together, some it took 2 or 3 different organizations, or going down to college and then coming back to the NFL, some never get it, but keep getting jobs, like wade, come on now, do not just be a fan, know the game

I can not what? That to this point Garrett has been a bad hire? Oh I can and I did.

Forget the fact he wasn't qualified when he was hired to be the offensive coordinator. Forget that fact when hired Jerry basically named the head coach in waiting (without any credentials). This team is run poorly. I don't blame Garrett he is what he is, a guy over his head in an impossible situation to succeed. I think he was a bad hire, and he hasn't proven me wrong yet. That's not on him but on Jerry.

 

[Seven]

Dumb and dumber.

 

[khiladi]

Lol everybody was calling Crayton the scum of the earth. Now all of the sudden he;s the darling because he is talking about Garrett?

No, Garrett homers were calling him scum of the earth, the reason being Crayton has been talking about Garrett for ages. Now that Garrett's finally getting heat and his incompetence gets more and more obvious, what Crayton has been saying for years irritates them more, because Garrett has proven Crayton right in all his glorious incompetence.

 

[khiladi]

No, you cannot. Wade has had 5 HCing jobs and he has been the same at every stop, a 500 HC. This is Garrett's first gig, Name a coach that came right out of the gate winning. It has always taken 2,3, 4 yrs to get it together, some it took 2 or 3 different organizations, or going down to college and then coming back to the NFL, some never get it, but keep getting jobs, like wade, come on now, do not just be a fan, know the game

Lol, becoming Interim HC for 3 games counts as a real HC job. So Garrett needs 2, 3, 4 years to put it together and clean up Wade's mess, but when Wade becomes an interim HC just to coach for 3 games it's evidence of being a bad head coach. Nice logic...

 

[iRepDatStar]

How many games did the D hold teams to 14 17 or 20 points only to have the O not be able to score over 13? After those loses Wade always took the podium and took all the heat while Garrett slid out the back.

1 game and it was week 1

 

[iRepDatStar]

He never said Garrett got mad. That's your personal bias speaking, not Crayton/Holley. He said Garrett would give him a run-around answer that didn't really answer the question.

Doubts/concerns about the scheme are fine when brought up in private. Not in front of the entire team. If you did that to your boss in front of all his employees he wouldn't like it either.

And LOL at the notion that you know offensive football better than Jason Garrett does. Or the notion that you have any clue what you're talking about in regards to our protection scheme principles and whether or not Garrett "adjusts".

Wow.. two posts back to back calling out the horrible logic on this board.. I like this guy


anyways I just wanted to say regardless of what anyone says we should all agree that in the past couple of years and the wade years if any side of the ball was a problem it was the Defensive side.. not that the O is perfect.. but if we all have to choose ONE side I would hope everyone would say defense.

 

[Frozen700]

"sabotaged" - you took care of it in that headline for us. Unless that's not what they said, in which case you're posting an inflammatory and needlessly sensationalist subject line.

 

[Idgit]

No, Garrett homers were calling him scum of the earth, the reason being Crayton has been talking about Garrett for ages. Now that Garrett's finally getting heat and his incompetence gets more and more obvious, what Crayton has been saying for years irritates them more, because Garrett has proven Crayton right in all his glorious incompetence.

I defended Patrick Crayton regularly when he was a player here. As I defend Jason Garrett. Just because the two don't seem to see eye-to-eye, it doesn't mean either one of them is a bad person. Neither has ever been treated all that fairly by our fans, so at least they have that in common.