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JustSayNotoTO;1860697 said:
I love this deal. Crayton is an important part of this team, and I would much rather have him and his passion for the Cowboys than some mercenary free agent or some clueless draft pick.

You think resigning Crayton will stop us from drafting a WR? I beg to differ. Jones sees the end of the road for Glenn and T.O. is getting up there. Crayton is no #1 receiver.

Ben_n_austin;1860763 said:
He allows us to have carry 2 quarterbacks the roster because you can count him in as #3.

Who? Crayton? How on earth do you figure Patrick Crayton could play QB if the other two guys went down?
 

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TheCount;1860834 said:
Who? Crayton? How on earth do you figure Patrick Crayton could play QB if the other two guys went down?

Let me ask you. If you asked the coaching staff who would run the plays if Romo then Johnson went down, what do you think their answer would be?
 

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I am happy Crayton has re-signed.

It adds continuity to our WR corps first of all. Also, if this is Glenn's last season, it would be difficult to lose both our number 2 and number 3 WRs in 2008.

I STILL think we will go after another WR either in FA or in the Draft, and we will continue to stock this position and give Romo all the weapons that he needs.
 
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What a waste of money...

If you wanted to sign a 4.65 WR, why not Charlie Rogers or Mike Williams. At least they arent damn near 30.
 

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Beast_from_East;1860470 said:
Thats right, I forgot about the signing bonus. My bad.

Even at $2 mill, that would leave us $16 to play with. :)


If that $16 mil is accurate (I'm sure Adam will let us know), then we only have about $11 mil left in real money to do something with considering we need money to sign draft picks and to give offers to restricted free agents.

That's not a lot of coin left over to resign Hamlin, Davis, Reeves and Adams AND extend Newman's contract and possibly Ware's.

I have my doubts that we'll resign Adams. And as I've said previously I think Ferguson and Glenn are goners if the above numbers have any merit, which of course they may not.
 

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McCordsville Cowboy;1860888 said:
What a waste of money...

If you wanted to sign a 4.65 WR, why not Charlie Rogers or Mike Williams. At least they arent damn near 30.

Because they both suck....
 

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Ben_n_austin;1860800 said:
Glenn was my boy last year. Obviously, he's out. So Crayton grew on me this year--though I always liked him. He's always been up on my list of favorites as well... just not as high up as some others. But I think since he'll be a Cowboy for a few more years :D, that I'll be becoming more of a fan in years, and even games, to come. He's proved that he's awesome!

I'd like our line-up to be Glenn, Crayton and Owens. I still think that if any of those 3 players get hurt, that each is capable of being the number 1,2 or 3 receiver depending on the call that is being made by Red Balls, which is what is so cool about this "interchangeable" offense with Jason Garrett's genius Ivy League touches on what he's learned from his previous teachers.
The genius in Garrett combined with the moxie of Romo in addition to the surrounding cast which consists of the likes of Witten, Owens, Glenn, Colombo, Flozell, Barber, Fasano, etc... coupled with a good defense--not to mention Phillips' swagger makes for an almost unstoppable team. We're good. Scratch that...

We're a great team. Any other year, I'd be saying that we're a shoo in for the Super Bowl Win. But this is a special year, which means that it carries much larger implications if we win.

We have the potential to set the stage for setting up the condition to trump all other dynasties. With players like Crayton leading the way in showing his teammates that both sides can be fair and, the more understanding you are, the more money your team has, thus, the better chances of winning your team has, it make for a good environment.

Crayton is one of the smartest players that we have. Romo, Crayton and Witten are a big reason why T.O. has been successful here. Without their mentoring, I don't think he could have come in and handled Parcells' disciplinary attitude. Romo befriended him, and Crayton just does what he does out there... plays football. That sets an example and I think all of those guys are well mannered enough to deal with his overly jocular manner.

Mr. Crayton, I send my regards... and an extended welcoming. I'll be enjoying it, for years to come. :)


BNA, you don't build dynasties on the backs of 30 year-old wide receivers. There is a real problem with age and fragility with this group.

I'm betting this is Glenn's last year as a Cowboy.
 

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McCordsville Cowboy;1860888 said:
What a waste of money...

If you wanted to sign a 4.65 WR, why not Charlie Rogers or Mike Williams. At least they arent damn near 30.

Wasn't C Rogers the one with the drug problems when with the Lions?
 

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Crown Royal;1860695 said:
Definitely agree with this. I thought that was the best part of the deal when the Pats went through with it. Welker and Brady were perfect for each other.

New England doesn't renegotiate deals. They paid him fairly for his production and he will get a new deal at the end of this one.
 

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I guess they look at Crayton as Glenn's replacement. I suspect Glenn will not return next year. Otherwise they wouldn't have signed Crayton to such a contract with so many other players needing to be resigned and the cap figure shrinking.
 
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nyc;1860931 said:
I guess they look at Crayton as Glenn's replacement. I suspect Glenn will not return next year. Otherwise they wouldn't have signed Crayton to such a contract with so many other players needing to be resigned and the cap figure shrinking.


Lets replace a 33 year old WR that still has deep speed, with a soon to be 30 year old WR that never had speed.

Just stupid. Money could have been spent on Signing Bonus for MBIII or Canty/Hamlin.

The same people that were raving to "RE-SIGN ROY" are the same ones that want to throw more of Jerry's money away.
 

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McCordsville Cowboy;1860939 said:
Lets replace a 33 year old WR that still has deep speed, with a soon to be 30 year old WR that never had speed.

Just stupid. Money could have been spent on Signing Bonus for MBIII or Canty/Hamlin.

The same people that were raving to "RE-SIGN ROY" are the same ones that want to throw more of Jerry's money away.

Lets not replace a 33 year old receiver who has had serious knee issues and let Crayton go in free agency.

Now, which scenario sounds more inept? Glenn's money will offset Crayton's new contract. Unless Glenn explodes in the playoffs he is gone next year which was the whole reason behind the resigning of Crayton.
 

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Good to see the local kid get the contract extension.

However, I still think he is most effective as a number 3.
 

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mickgreen58;1860958 said:
Good to see the local kid get the contract extension.

However, I still think he is most effective as a number 3.

I agree, but then again that depends on who the #2 is. He is a better receiver than Hurd and Austin. (at least thus far) I'm not sure if Glenn is actually going to make it back for more than to end this season.
 

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nyc;1860961 said:
I agree, but then again that depends on who the #2 is. He is a better receiver than Hurd and Austin. (at least thus far) I'm not sure if Glenn is actually going to make it back for more than to end this season.

What I also like about Crayton's contract is that it doesn't preclude us from going into FA and signing a "number 2" wideout or using a high draft pick on the WR position.
 

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nyc;1860961 said:
I agree, but then again that depends on who the #2 is. He is a better receiver than Hurd and Austin. (at least thus far) I'm not sure if Glenn is actually going to make it back for more than to end this season.

I have been going back in forth on Hurd vs. Crayton.

I know most think that Crayton is a better receiver, but I think Hurd's hands are almost as good and he just lacks the experience.

Hurd, like Crayton has made some big catches.

I am not the best evaluator of WR talent by any stretch of the imagination, but I personally don't think there is much of a difference between the two.

I think the main thing that separates the two is experience.

Also, I do not like the idea of going into 2008 with:
Terrell Owens, Patrick Crayton, Sam Hurd, Miles Austin and Isaiah Stanback.

Speaking of Isaiah Standback, I really do think this guy is going to be something. This year he was either limited due to injury, WR depth and lack of experience at the position.
 

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mickgreen58;1860970 said:
I think the main thing that separates the two is experience.
Watching both, I tend to agree, but right now experience is a big difference when you're competing with a chance to win the Superbowl. The nod must go to Crayton and his experience.
mickgreen58;1860970 said:
Also, I do not like the idea of going into 2008 with: Terrell Owens, Patrick Crayton, Sam Hurd, Miles Austin and Isaiah Stanback.

Speaking of Isaiah Standback, I really do think this guy is going to be something. This year he was either limited due to injury, WR depth and lack of experience at the position.
Well, Wade said a lot of the players that didn't get much playing time will have a chance to turn some heads this weekend. Carpenter and Stanback I believe were named specifically. Of course, Stanback would probably look a lot better with Romo throwing the ball vs Brad Johnson.
 

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nyc;1861001 said:
Watching both, I tend to agree, but right now experience is a big difference when you're competing with a chance to win the Superbowl. The nod must go to Crayton and his experience.

Well, Wade said a lot of the players that didn't get much playing time will have a chance to turn some heads this weekend. Carpenter and Stanback I believe were named specifically. Of course, Stanback would probably look a lot better with Romo throwing the ball vs Brad Johnson.

Oh I agree, I am speaking in terms of 2008.

Right now, Crayton is the superior of the two.
 

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mickgreen58;1861005 said:
Oh I agree, I am speaking in terms of 2008.

Right now, Crayton is the superior of the two.

Actually, so am I! I fully expect to be playing for a Superbowl next year too! I don't know. Call me greedy! :laugh2:
 

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Crayton was a must resign and we got it done for a great price.

As to Crayton's cap number next year, it will be 2.2 million. The bonus was prorated over 5 years which includes this year. In other words, 1.2 million of the bonus hits this year's cap, so we are now 3.8 million under the cap still for this year.

Terry Glenn's cap number is good for next year, so expect him to be on the team at least one more year. His cap number is $3.4 million for 2008 and $3.7 million for 2009. Good numbers, would cost us much more to release him and roll the bonus prorate into one season.

We do need Reeves. Anyone that isn't watching the 5 WR sets, should know this. Ball is coming on and most likely we will draft one either late first or in the first three rounds.

We have 8 draft picks next year and based on where they are now, the cap hit is only about $3 million in total for all 8. Adam can explain for better than I.

If the various boards and calculations are right ( and I believe from my own spreadsheet), we are right now after the Crayton signing about $25 million under the cap for next year with the personnel we have under contract. That number will rise if we do cut players such as Ferguson or trade him to Miami (a distinct possibility). His cap number for next year is $5.8 million so trading him or releasing him would add $2.2 million to the cap. The cap will also decrease when we resign Canty, Barber, Hamlin, Reeves, Davis and Flo.

Looking at the contracts, especially the recently signed ones, you have to figure that Canty will get a contract similar to Ratliff (roughly a $2 million cap hit for 2008, bonus will be around 6-8 million). Reeves will get something in the range of Crayton, possibly a bit more. Davis will get something in the $5 million bonus range (or at least an offer). Hamlin and Flo will be interesting.

I would bet we resign Hamlin before Flo and at a respectable contract. I think Flo only gets a 3 year offer. Barber is going to cost but in the NFL two back system now, don't expect him to get anything like A. Peterson's contract but it will be a nice contract.

We probably also extend Ware and Newman in the next year. Just don't expect Newman to get a contract anything like the guy in SF since Newman will be 31 next year.

We will sign a couple of free agents, anyone who doesn't think Jerry won't make a splash hasn't been watching Jerry the last 18 years.

We will make a few trades that will also effect the cap both up and down. Alot is to happen, just how much and who is a question none of us can really answer now.
 
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