Crystal Ball: Will Dak Prescott Be The Cowboys QB Of The Future

[darthseinfeld]

I think you draft every player with the expectations he can be a player who can contribute to the team
The higher you draft a player the better odds of that expectation being fulfilled

Exactly. Right my expectations of him is AJ McCarron

 

[SlammedZero]

Drafting a QB (or any position really) is such a lottery. You're just hoping to hit gold. With that said, most QBs that have come through Dallas just haven't projected that energy out there for me to say,
"Yeah! This could be the guy!" Dak, for some reason, has that for me. I just get this feeling he could be the next one to step up. I obviously can't see into the future and I'm not promising anything, but yes, I feel he could be our next savior.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

There's nothing stupid about it. Nothing. Those measurables, coupled with success in college, are the basis for drafting a player on Day 1. Kellen Moore can be the smartest guy on the field and he may have the mental capacity to play the position. But he's physically hampered. He doesn't have the arm. It's the reason why a guy who was so successful in college didn't get drafted and he'll be nothing more than a below average back-up.

Its VERY stupid to draft based on measurables. Its how you become the Oakland Raiders or the Cleveland Browns.

You keep speaking about Kellen Moore........he doesn't have the arm and he's under 6 foot. That doesn't mean he can't play in this league. But this discussion isn't about Kellen Moore. Its about Dak Preskott. And Dak Preskott has all the "measurables" you guys love to see on ESPN highlights. I'm more interested in what he has between the ears which seems to be just as good as his "measurables".

 

[Dodger12]

Its VERY stupid to draft based on measurables. Its how you become the Oakland Raiders or the Cleveland Browns.

You can't take your fallacy and apply it to losing teams as if it's relevant to those teams and it's the cause of their failures. When you have a GM and a scouting department who will draft kickers or troubled players with question marks in the the first round, that's going to get you into trouble.

Landry and Tex built a dynasty by looking at certain measurables that they thought were important. It's why they could take a basketball player and turn him into a HOF tackle. It's why Tuinei was switched from defensive tackle to the offensive line. Johnson believed in team speed and believed in certain measurables and the type of player he was looking for that would fit his system. Parcells believed in size. It's why guys like Dat Nguyen, who was undersized, couldn't last in his system.

You keep speaking about Kellen Moore........he doesn't have the arm and he's under 6 foot. That doesn't mean he can't play in this league. But this discussion isn't about Kellen Moore. Its about Dak Preskott. And Dak Preskott has all the "measurables" you guys love to see on ESPN highlights. I'm more interested in what he has between the ears which seems to be just as good as his "measurables".

You're right, Kellen Moore can play in this league, just not as a (successful) QB. No matter how smart he is.

We'll learn soon enough about Dak. I'd love to see him succeed and be a guy how we can transition to after Romo. And if you're being honest, the only reason a lot of folks are so high on Dak is because he's a Wilson clone and we're hoping that lightening strikes twice.

 

[iceberg]

Do you believe that he will or dont you

i believe it cause why not? would love to see us have a smooth transition from qb to qb for a change.

 

[Doomsday101]

No doubt and I agree. But when it comes to QB's, we can go on forever after Romo hangs them up giving late round picks a shot to be the franchise. That's a losing game unless you get super lucky and those late round or undrafted gems are few and far between. I'll say it again, we had to use 1st round draft picks to fix an OL because of our inability to draft and develop OL in the later rounds. You really think we can draft and develop the most difficult and important position to find by using late round picks and hoping for the best?

We can draft a #1 and see them fail as well, #1 means they have high expectation coming in yet we see many 1st rd QB who fail as well. It is not some given. I can't say what Dak will or will not do. I know he carried the load at Miss St and did very well. He has the tools to develop and has shown leadership ability, how he handles the mental aspect of the game being able to make the reads and quick decisions and the right decisions will determine his fate. I'm not going to sit here and say I would not have liked to have gotten Wentz, Goff or Lynch and Cowboys did attempt to move on Lynch but did not work out however the NFL is 31 other teams it is a matter of the Cowboys can do what they want and all others must wait. Dallas brought in Dak as well as those others and feel he has a chance, they did not reach for him either. He will get a chance to show if he can handle the NFL just as any other prospect

 

[Craig]

I like his chances over anyone else theyve had in the organization behind romo. I think i like him over Lynch actually.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Maybe because they haven't been able to yet? What have you seen that makes you believe we can?

What late round draft pick QB's have their been since Jerry bought the team?

 

[Dodger12]

What late round draft pick QB's have their been since Jerry bought the team?

Since we rarely draft a QB it really makes no difference.

 

[tyke1doe]

I like his chances over anyone else theyve had in the organization behind romo. I think i like him over Lynch actually.

It's Friday morning, and folks are already getting drunk. Just kidding.

 

[Craig]

It's Friday morning, and folks are already getting drunk. Just kidding.

I wouldnt have wanted lynch in any circumstance. He screams "unable to put it together in the NFL" to me.

Dak's floor seems to be "gimmick running qb that works for 2 months".

 

[Sydla]

Its VERY stupid to draft based on measurables. Its how you become the Oakland Raiders or the Cleveland Browns.

You keep speaking about Kellen Moore........he doesn't have the arm and he's under 6 foot. That doesn't mean he can't play in this league. But this discussion isn't about Kellen Moore. Its about Dak Preskott. And Dak Preskott has all the "measurables" you guys love to see on ESPN highlights. I'm more interested in what he has between the ears which seems to be just as good as his "measurables".

Most every QB taken in the draft is largely taken based on measurables, even ones with great college production. Why? Because you see guys who had great production in college fall into the later rounds because their game doesn't translate to the NFL well.

Here's the reality. There's a reason why a guy like Goff was largely seen as a first round talent and most everyone else saw Prescott as a 3rd or 4th round talent. And despite what people want to tell themselves, based on history, the chances of one of those guys being a good starter in this league are better for Goff than Prescott. Sure, there are exceptions and hopefully Prescott is one of those exceptions.

But if you were down to your last $10K and had to bet it on one QB or the other to develop, history would tell you to put the money on the first round QB, not the 4th round guy.

 

[Denim Chicken]

Its VERY stupid to draft based on measurables. Its how you become the Oakland Raiders or the Cleveland Browns.

You keep speaking about Kellen Moore........he doesn't have the arm and he's under 6 foot. That doesn't mean he can't play in this league. But this discussion isn't about Kellen Moore. Its about Dak Preskott. And Dak Preskott has all the "measurables" you guys love to see on ESPN highlights. I'm more interested in what he has between the ears which seems to be just as good as his "measurables".

Guys are not drafted on measurables alone. They are drafted on success in college, what kind of system they played in, character, team workouts, pre draft interviews, and a litany of other factors. Quit acting like you're somehow smarter at drafting then all the NFL scouts, GMs, and personnel guys. Go look at the number of successful QBs and what round they came from. The vast majority are top picks.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

You can't take your fallacy and apply it to losing teams as if it's relevant to those teams and it's the cause of their failures. When you have a GM and a scouting department who will draft kickers or troubled players with question marks in the the first round, that's going to get you into trouble.

Landry and Tex built a dynasty by looking at certain measurables that they thought were important. It's why they could take a basketball player and turn him into a HOF tackle. It's why Tuinei was switched from defensive tackle to the offensive line. Johnson believed in team speed and believed in certain measurables and the type of player he was looking for that would fit his system. Parcells believed in size. It's why guys like Dat Nguyen, who was undersized, couldn't last in his system.



You're right, Kellen Moore can play in this league, just not as a (successful) QB. No matter how smart he is.

We'll learn soon enough about Dak. I'd love to see him succeed and be a guy how we can transition to after Romo. And if you're being honest, the only reason a lot of folks are so high on Dak is because he's a Wilson clone and we're hoping that lightening strikes twice.

I haven't seen enough of Kellen Moore to suggest he will or will not be able to play in this league at QB. I just haven't seen it.

I don't know about the days of Tex and Landry but I know in 2016 a guys having success in this league isn't just based on measurable. If so, Clowney would've been dominant by now.

Most every QB taken in the draft is largely taken based on measurables, even ones with great college production. Why? Because you see guys who had great production in college fall into the later rounds because their game doesn't translate to the NFL well.

Here's the reality. There's a reason why a guy like Goff was largely seen as a first round talent and most everyone else saw Prescott as a 3rd or 4th round talent. And despite what people want to tell themselves, based on history, the chances of one of those guys being a good starter in this league are better for Goff than Prescott. Sure, there are exceptions and hopefully Prescott is one of those exceptions.

But if you were down to your last $10K and had to bet it on one QB or the other to develop, history would tell you to put the money on the first round QB, not the 4th round guy.

I don't disagree. My stance is that measurable don't mean you will excel in this league at quarterback. It just doesn't.

Guys are not drafted on measurables alone. They are drafted on success in college, what kind of system they played in, character, team workouts, pre draft interviews, and a litany of other factors. Quit acting like you're somehow smarter at drafting then all the NFL scouts, GMs, and personnel guys. Go look at the number of successful QBs and what round they came from. The vast majority are top picks.

That's BS. Why was Matt Jones drafted and he didn't even have a position in the NFL? There are numerous workout warriors each year that come out and have a great combine and go on to have mediocre or bad careers. I'm not "acting" like i'm smarter than a scout but I also don't believe that what scouts say is bible or that they are never wrong. They are human just like you and I and their opinion isn't any more valid than yours. Quit giving "scouts" or "experts" that much credit.

Let's look at the past 5 years and the quarterbacks taken in the 1st round of the draft:

Cam

Jake Locker(retired),

Blaine Gabbert(career backup)

Christian Ponder(out of the league)

Andrew Luck

RGIII(benched and then cut)

Ryan Tannenhill(suspect quarterback)

Brandon Weeden(journeyman)

EJ Manuel(benched)

Blake Bortles(QB on the rise)

Johnny Manziel(out of the league)

Teddy Bridgewater(QB on the rise)

Winston

Mariotta

 

[Denim Chicken]

Why was Matt Jones drafted and he didn't even have a position in the NFL?

I don't understand this. He was a RB in college and is in the NFL.

Let's look at the past 5 years and the quarterbacks taken in the 1st round of the draft

Now look at QBs in the last 5 years outside round 1 and you'll get the picture.

What we found among the 34 starters: Exactly half (17) were first-round picks, including five quarterbacks who were the overall No. 1 picks. In all, there were eight first-rounders who were the first quarterbacks selected in their respective draft, along with five first-rounders who were the second quarterbacks drafted and four who were the third signal-callers picked. (Two former first-rounders were injured, Arizona's Carson Palmer and St. Louis' Sam Bradford, and another, Buffalo's EJ Manuel, lost his starting job early in the season -- meaning the 17 easily could have been 20.)

Six quarterbacks were second-round picks, including two who were the second quarterbacks selected in their respective drafts. There were three who were third-round picks; one who was a fourth-rounder; two who were sixth-rounders (including Tom Brady, perhaps the most famous sixth-rounder in NFL history); one who was a seventh-rounder; and four who started their careers as undrafted free agents.

Of the 34 starters, 20 were among the first three quarterbacks selected in their respective drafts. Another three were among the top five quarterbacks selected, and five more were either the sixth or seventh quarterback picked. The remaining six? Four originally were free agents, one was the 10th quarterback picked and the other the 13th.

As for the 12 starters whose teams made the playoffs, seven were first-rounders, two were second-rounders, one was a third-rounder, one was a sixth-rounder (again, perhaps the most famous sixth-rounder ever) and one was a free agent. Six were either the first or second quarterback taken in his respective draft; one was the third; four were either the fifth, sixth or seventh signal-caller selected; and one was a free agent. (Important to note is that while Drew Stanton is our quarterback of record for Arizona, he was injured and did not play in the postseason.) Also of interest: Both second-rounders and the third-rounder play for teams (Arizona, Cincinnati and Seattle) that are defense-minded.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...n-draft-origins-for-starting-nfl-quarterbacks

 

[John813]

I don't understand this. He was a RB in college and is in the NFL.



Now look at QBs in the last 5 years outside round 1 and you'll get the picture.

Assume he was talking about this Matt Jones

 

[Denim Chicken]

Assume he was talking about this Matt Jones

Oh, going back 11 years to make a point. LOL.

 

[Dodger12]

I haven't seen enough of Kellen Moore to suggest he will or will not be able to play in this league at QB. I just haven't seen it.

Ok. I've seen more than enough to know this guy is not the answer.

I don't know about the days of Tex and Landry but I know in 2016 a guys having success in this league isn't just based on measurable. If so, Clowney would've been dominant by now.

No one ever said success is based just on measurables. you're starting to change your argument.

I don't disagree. My stance is that measurable don't mean you will excel in this league at quarterback. It just doesn't.

I agree with this 100%. Again, no one ever said it did. But measurables matter, especially in the draft and plays a huge role in where you are drafted. They are certainly not the only indictator. But you see successful college QB's drop all the time because they just don't have the measurables to play in the NFL. Moore. Weurfel, Detmer and the list goes on and on.

 

[KJJ]

The odds are beyond long that Dak is the future a QB. He was drafted to be the Cowboys backup not the future. The bar has been set very high in Dallas with two HOF QBs that have five Super Bowl wins between them and Tony Romo who holds practically every Cowboys passing record. Dak will have to at least measure up to Romo to have a future as the starting QB of the Cowboys and I don't see that happening.

 

[kiheikiwi]

My opinion of Dak, is he was drafted to become our backup, not to be a starter. To be Romo's # 1 backup for the next 3-4 years according to Jerry.(Romo's time line). He has the arm, the size and the mobility to survive and maybe thrive. Does he have the brain to digest it all and act upon it, in the split second it takes ? And that is why he needs to sit and learn - just as Romo got 4 years to learn behind our QB's at the time. in my opinion, if he is thrown in as the backup this year, it will hurt his development. Think of David Carr - who was a # 1 pick, not a bottom of the 4th round !
I do not think our eventual replacement for Romo is on the squad yet (and wont be this year) But Dak can be a successful backup, and who knows at this stage, maybe more ..... That would also buy this franchise more time to find an eventual starter with Dak, by then being a vet.