Czabe article about Commanders camp (lots of LOL)

[Stash]

No leadership??? The Cowboys have "no leadership" using that same idea that I believe you are using (ie, young QBs can't effectively lead teams). Both are looking to young QBs for leadership. Defensively speaking, London Fletcher will our leader. So I don't know what your talking about there.

It wasn't a direct slap at Campbell, but if you see a leader there, more power to ya. And Portis is more embarrassment than leader. The closest thing the 'Skins offense has to a leader is Jansen.

So that's why they overpaid Fletcher? To be the leader they lacked? Yeah, let the free agent addition be the defense's leader - good plan.

No direction... We have a central vision of what we want Commanders football to be, if that's what you mean. Pounding the ball with a vertical passing game to force defenses to be honest. On the D side of the ball, stopping the run is paramount. So, if you could clarify your statement.

Simple. Every year it's the 'quick fix' in Washington. The one free agent or coach or draft pick that puts them in the Super Bowl. And every year it's a different direction. Passing game one year, run game the next. Ramsey, Brunell, Campbell at quarterback.

And if 'stopping the run is paramount', why did they refuse to address a lousy defensive line?

Gibbs actually has stated he'll be with this club as "team president" long after he hangs up the whistle. So your looking for the door comment is pretty much just conjecture on your part.

We'll see. The Bill Cowher talk has already started in Washington. He's your next 'savior'.

Overall, the Skins have proved the media wrong on just about every turn. Sometimes to their detriment.

Yeah, that 5-11 record sure showed 'em!

And if you think we'll be fighting for 3rd place with the Giants, that's fine, it's your opinion.

That's all we've got at this point is opinion.

And I base mine on what I see in Washington.

 

[Vintage]

Wow, way to respond with something resembling, you know, facts or anything honestly.

I've stated the exact same thing since the beginning. If I had some idiots think I said something else, excuse me for clarifying. But apparently I can't do that, so I'm done explaining it. Camp is a poor time to base season predictions off of. Preseason is barely any better. Hell, halfway through the season, people were calling the Cowboys super bowl contenders, how well did that work out for you guys?

Maybe that's why they call it a prediction?

Because, its like, you know...guess work.

 

[5Stars]

Gibbs actually has stated he'll be with this club as "team president" long after he hangs up the whistle. So your looking for the door comment is pretty much just conjecture on your part.

Now that...is good news! Yes it is!!


:spidey: :mchammer: :banjo: He's part of the big problem!

 

[firehawk350]

It wasn't a direct slap at Campbell, but if you see a leader there, more power to ya. And Portis is more embarrassment than leader. The closest thing the 'Skins offense has to a leader is Jansen.

Does a leader have to be flamboyant to be effective??? If he will be an effective leader, time will tell. Portis could be a leader, as he produces and encourages others to produce. Irvin wasn't a model citizen in his time with Dallas, but he was a good leader because he pushed others to perform.

So that's why they overpaid Fletcher? To be the leader they lacked? Yeah, let the free agent addition be the defense's leader - good plan.

Haven't the cowboys done the same thing??? Hamlin was brought in for his leadership last time I read.

Simple. Every year it's the 'quick fix' in Washington. The one free agent or coach or draft pick that puts them in the Super Bowl. And every year it's a different direction. Passing game one year, run game the next. Ramsey, Brunell, Campbell at quarterback.

Actually it's all about the running game. That's why we brought in Portis in 04. It didn't change in 05, and didn't change in 06. It was always about running, Gibbs emphasized that during just about every press conference he's held. And your wrong, in 2005, nobody was talking super bowl.

And if 'stopping the run is paramount', why did they refuse to address a lousy defensive line?

Well, maybe there wasn't a move worth doing at DT. And getting London Fletcher, who led the league in tackles over a 5 year span, might just help that out as well.

We'll see. The Bill Cowher talk has already started in Washington. He's your next 'savior'.[/quote

We'll see about that. People talk about a lot of things they don't know anything about...

Yeah, that 5-11 record sure showed 'em!

My point was that basing an opinion off of what the media reports is ********, because for the last 3 years, they've been dead wrong.

In 2004, Gibbs was going to lead the Skins back to glory. The result, 6-10.

In 2005, the offense was too anemic and the Moss/Coles trade wasn't enough to help the poor Skins offense, so the Skins aren't going anywhere. Result, 10-6 and a close game away from the NFC Championship.

In 2006, we added the critial pieces to compete at the highest level and super bowl was a common word in reference to the skins. The result, 5-11.

In 2007, we didn't do enough to address a horrible defense, and Campbell isn't going to be good enough to carry the team. The result, ???

That's all we've got at this point is opinion.

And I base mine on what I see in Washington.

That's fine, base it on the phases of the moon and the lotto numbers picked that week, whatever. Your opinion at this point matters as much as mine, and that's not one damn bit.

 

[Green28]

Anyone else get the feeling that Joe Gibbs has absolutely no faith in Campbell? I give him three games before Gibbs puts his boy Brunell back starting (hence all the reps he is getting in camp).

I'll take that bet.

 

[firehawk350]

Maybe that's why they call it a prediction?

Because, its like, you know...guess work.

A prediction is an educated guess, usually based off of facts. Nothing he said was based on anything resembling a fact.

 

[Green28]

I have no idea what this says, but this who the guy...

http://www.czabe.com/bio.shtml

He's a deadbeat Commander hater from DC.

 

[Stash]

Does a leader have to be flamboyant to be effective??? If he will be an effective leader, time will tell. Portis could be a leader, as he produces and encourages others to produce. Irvin wasn't a model citizen in his time with Dallas, but he was a good leader because he pushed others to perform.

Campbell can't lead until he accomplishes something. And he can't accomplish anything if Gibbs won't let him. Ask Patrick Ramsey about that.

And spare me the lame Portis/Irvin comparisons. Irvin actually practiced. If you ask me, Portis should be looking over his shoulder.

Haven't the cowboys done the same thing??? Hamlin was brought in for his leadership last time I read.

Stability at free safety maybe, but I don't know that they signed Hamlin to lead the defense.

Actually it's all about the running game. That's why we brought in Portis in 04. It didn't change in 05, and didn't change in 06. It was always about running, Gibbs emphasized that during just about every press conference he's held. And your wrong, in 2005, nobody was talking super bowl.

Is that why they overpaid Lloyd and Randal El in 2006? I agree that the running game is the team's strength and that's what they should emphasize.

Well, maybe there wasn't a move worth doing at DT. And getting London Fletcher, who led the league in tackles over a 5 year span, might just help that out as well.

Anything's better than doing nothing. And another safety doesn't help.

We'll see. The Bill Cowher talk has already started in Washington. He's your next 'savior'.

We'll see about that. People talk about a lot of things they don't know anything about...

No kidding.

My point was that basing an opinion off of what the media reports is ********, because for the last 3 years, they've been dead wrong.

In 2004, Gibbs was going to lead the Skins back to glory. The result, 6-10.

In 2005, the offense was too anemic and the Moss/Coles trade wasn't enough to help the poor Skins offense, so the Skins aren't going anywhere. Result, 10-6 and a close game away from the NFC Championship.

In 2006, we added the critial pieces to compete at the highest level and super bowl was a common word in reference to the skins. The result, 5-11.

In 2007, we didn't do enough to address a horrible defense, and Campbell isn't going to be good enough to carry the team. The result, ???

I would rather base my opinion on the information I do get, rather than 'wishing on a star'.

That's fine, base it on the phases of the moon and the lotto numbers picked that week, whatever. Your opinion at this point matters as much as mine, and that's not one damn bit.

That's all we've got is opinion. If you don't like it, don't read it.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Stability at free safety maybe, but I don't know that they signed Hamlin to lead the defense.

As soon as you ripped on the skins Fletcher to be a leader I knew Hamlin would be brought up...and rightfully so.

You got your hit in on the skins fan with fletcher but he turned around and smacked you back with Hamlin.

They did indeed sign him to help lead the defense. MULTIPLE times wade and I think even jerry pointed out that they look at him as the QB (aka leader) of the defense.


So...best not to keep arguing that one.

 

[silverbear]

I can have an opinion like the Patriots are going to go 0-16, but it's just ********.

Wow, that would be a first-- you, having a "********" opinion...

I mean, like, that's NEVER happened before...

Well, hardly ever...

 

[silverbear]

that was a terrible article.

even though it hasnt gone well for gibbs, the guy is still a great coach.

He's 21-27 in his second stint with the Commanders... maybe he USED to be a great coach, but that was then, this is now...

I dont put any stock into what they do at camp.

Neither did they, last year... you see how well that worked out for them...

 

[Wimbo]

That, folks, is the way JFE's LBOH will read if Dallas ever goes 5-11 again. In fact, just replace the names, and she could ape the entire article.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

This guy is a moron, there are plenty of position battles at Skins camp... #3 QB (Palmer vs. Collins), #3 RB (Blaylock vs. Cartwright), #2 and #5 receiver, #2 DT (Golston, Monty and Salave'a), #2 CB (Rogers vs. Smoot) and #5 CB (Butler, Westbrook, Jimoh).

I'm pretty sure he meant battles for starting positions... Normally when you were 5-11 the year before, you'd like to think you have some new players coming in to help. Changing the #3 QB or #5 WR is rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

But is Rogers really in a serious battle with One Rep? If so, I guess we can put Rogers solidly in the bust category.

 

[theebs]

He's 21-27 in his second stint with the Commanders... maybe he USED to be a great coach, but that was then, this is now...



Neither did they, last year... you see how well that worked out for them...

he is better than that record. Like most teams if you are starting out with a bad cap situation, old players and below average qb play, you will struggle no matter who you are.

i am suprised they were as bad as they were last year. Its interesting because in 04 he got a pass because it was his first year back, but that bad team finished well and played very good defense, they fought hard for him. In 05 they played over their heads and against some bad teams with really bad qb play and they made it to the second round of the playoffs. Last year they were just bad, there was really nothing promising.

They got older on the offensive line with no replacements and they have a young qb. I really dont know what to make of them right now, I think they are going to be good but it is way too soon to know anything about anybody.

again though, I think gibbs is better than that record since he has returned but if he struggles this year it is going to look really really bad for him, and simply embarrassing for the organization. A bad season would give him a run to match guys like campo.

 

[firehawk350]

Campbell can't lead until he accomplishes something. And he can't accomplish anything if Gibbs won't let him. Ask Patrick Ramsey about that.

Patrick Ramsey never had Gibbs' confidence, that was obvious. But Campbell, being hand-picked by Gibbs, probably does.

And spare me the lame Portis/Irvin comparisons. Irvin actually practiced. If you ask me, Portis should be looking over his shoulder.

Okay, fine. It's often been said he led us to the 5 game winning streak in 05. Is that better?

Stability at free safety maybe, but I don't know that they signed Hamlin to lead the defense.

Already refuted by Brainpaint.

Is that why they overpaid Lloyd and Randal El in 2006? I agree that the running game is the team's strength and that's what they should emphasize.

Maybe, just maybe, they wanted to get better in that position. It didn't work, but that didn't mean that they should not make a move at all in that category.

Anything's better than doing nothing. And another safety doesn't help.

Change just for the sake of change is chaos. I think they should have drafted a DE myself (I like Jamaal Anderson), but they went with who they thought was the best player who also played a position of need. I hear a lot of people say you don't draft based solely on need, but rather BPA, and that's what the skins FO did.

I would rather base my opinion on the information I do get, rather than 'wishing on a star'.



That's all we've got is opinion. If you don't like it, don't read it.

Right, then you can get all balled up because you think I'm ignoring your posts because I don't know how to respond. I've gone down that road before...

 

[Stash]

Patrick Ramsey never had Gibbs' confidence, that was obvious. But Campbell, being hand-picked by Gibbs, probably does.

I thought Ramsey never got a fair chance - just a beating when Spurrier couldn't figure out how to protect him. And it looks like they won't turn Campbell loose yet to me. Hopefully, he gets a better chance than Ramsey did.

Okay, fine. It's often been said he led us to the 5 game winning streak in 05. Is that better?

Hey, if you feel he's a leader, that's fine. To me he's an embarrassing buffoon whose body is starting to break down. And I see the Commanders looking to move on after Betts outplays and out 'health's' him this season.

Already refuted by Brainpaint.

I see him as a 'stabilizer' more than a 'leader', but that's my opinion, I'll concede the point though.

Look at these back-to-back beauties:

Maybe, just maybe, they wanted to get better in that position. It didn't work, but that didn't mean that they should not make a move at all in that category.

Change just for the sake of change is chaos. I think they should have drafted a DE myself (I like Jamaal Anderson), but they went with who they thought was the best player who also played a position of need. I hear a lot of people say you don't draft based solely on need, but rather BPA, and that's what the skins FO did.

Clearly contradicting yourself in the very same post?

You've reached a new low.

I guess the moves - or lack of moves - are all great if they're done by the Commanders' "braintrust" right?

Right, then you can get all balled up because you think I'm ignoring your posts because I don't know how to respond. I've gone down that road before...

I'm expecting the same thing we always get out of you.

As soon as you get your intellectual 'clock' cleaned, you'll once again take off running.

 

[5Stars]

Change just for the sake of change is chaos. I think they should have drafted a DE myself (I like Jamaal Anderson), but they went with who they thought was the best player who also played a position of need. I hear a lot of people say you don't draft based solely on need, but rather BPA, and that's what the skins FO did.

:laugh2: :laugh2:

Well, uh, um, when you only have one or two draft choices every year, what do you expect? All the draft choices that your team SHOULD have had was given away for old broken down vets! That is why your team has no depth...and they deserve it!!

 

[David276]

it would probably be in their best interest to keep it a soft camp, and enter a rebuilding phase, which would give us 2 easy wins.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

JC was held out of the 11-on-11s in scrimmage because his arm was getting sore from all the reps he's been taking. A lot like Romo has had his work scaled back a bit.

are you kidding me?

 

[5Stars]

it would probably be in their best interest to keep it a soft camp, and enter a rebuilding phase, which would give us 2 easy wins.

Rebuild with what? That would take at least 3 to 5 years with that team! They are so in debt, no draft choices, no depth, nothing!

Leave them alone! They are doing just fine, thank you!


:laugh2: We need to admire The Midget and St. Gibbs! Yes we do...