Dak doesn't think Cowboys need a No. 1 receiver

[Jipper]

Dak needs receivers who are quick, can beat man press coverage at the line of scrimmage, and who can make quick/clean cuts in order to get separation. With the new receivers coach and these new receivers who are much better route runners, it all favors Dak, but Dak also has to improve from last season's mistakes. All looks good so far.

The line giving him time will go a long long way

 

[America's Cowboy]

The line giving him time will go a long long way

Absolutely, Jip. It starts with our Oline. I'm hearing Connor Williams is tearing it up in OTAs. He's going to be a monster starting at Left Guard!

https://insidethestar.com/notes-on-scouts-eye-from-day-two-of-cowboys-otas/

 

[Hennessy_King]

We don't need a number 1 receiver, we need receivers that can beat 1 on 1 coverage and catch with their hands.

 

[MCMetal69]

Dak may be correct , but would anyone not want a Romo to Dez type connection that put up eye-popping numbers for several years ?

I understand everyone's argument of how it's worked for New England ; is Prescott anywhere close to Tom Brady right now ?

 

[Hennessy_King]

Dak may be correct , but would anyone not want a Romo to Dez type connection that put up eye-popping numbers for several years ?

I understand everyone's argument of how it's worked for New England ; is Prescott anywhere close to Tom Brady right now ?

He beat all of brady's rookie records.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Dak may be correct , but would anyone not want a Romo to Dez type connection that put up eye-popping numbers for several years ?

I understand everyone's argument of how it's worked for New England ; is Prescott anywhere close to Tom Brady right now ?

What was won with the Romo to Dez connection?

 

[Northern_Cowboy]

Dak may be correct , but would anyone not want a Romo to Dez type connection that put up eye-popping numbers for several years ?

I understand everyone's argument of how it's worked for New England ; is Prescott anywhere close to Tom Brady right now ?

Or is Beasley anything close to what Edelman is or Wes Welker was and do we have a TE on the roster who is anything close to Gronk? Our team is now made up of a bunch of #2 and 3 WR's and a couple of backup TE's, by the way if you go back just a little further (2009) when the Pats never had a TE like Gronk (who came along in 2010) they had a WR named Moss to go along with Welker, so they have always had a downfield #1 threat somewhere in their offense to compliment guys like Welker or Edelman

 

[Hennessy_King]

Or is Beasley anything close to what Edelman is or Wes Welker was and do we have a TE on the roster who is anything close to Gronk? Our team is now made up of a bunch of #2 and 3 WR's and a couple of backup TE's, by the way if you go back just a little further (2009) when the Pats never had a TE like Gronk (who came along in 2010) they had a WR named Moss to go along with Welker, so they have always had a downfield #1 thread somewhere in their offense to compliment guys like Welker or Edelman

You forgot to mention a real coaching staff that schemes guys open as well.

 

[kskboys]

Or is Beasley anything close to what Edelman is or Wes Welker was and do we have a TE on the roster who is anything close to Gronk? Our team is now made up of a bunch of #2 and 3 WR's and a couple of backup TE's, by the way if you go back just a little further (2009) when the Pats never had a TE like Gronk (who came along in 2010) they had a WR named Moss to go along with Welker, so they have always had a downfield #1 threat somewhere in their offense to compliment guys like Welker or Edelman

Sorry, but they really didn't. Before and after Moss, Gronk was pretty much their downfield threat. Until Cooks. I don't think they even had a downfield threat for their first 3 super bowl wins. That's why they had Troy Brown, CB, playing some WR.

 

[Northern_Cowboy]

You forgot to mention a real coaching staff that schemes guys open as well.

Ya your right our coaching staff (while it does have problems) was never able to get guys like Dez or Owens or Austin or Witten open...lol or maybe it was just the QB who over came the coaching staff? Which do you think it is because you can't have it both ways. The guys i mentioned caught alot of footballs for us with a different QB, so as you say if the coaching is also holding them back then it was our QB overcoming that and if it wasn't the QB then it was the coaching staff doing their job, so please enlighten me as to who you think was the difference maker?

 

[Northern_Cowboy]

Sorry, but they really didn't. Before and after Moss, Gronk was pretty much their downfield threat. Until Cooks. I don't think they even had a downfield threat for their first 3 super bowl wins. That's why they had Troy Brown, CB, playing some WR.

Thats still my point they always had a #1 downfield threat whether it was Gronk or Moss to compliment the short passing game and you forget guys like Deion Branch (he was hurt alot but was their downfield threat) Troy Brown had 97 catches the year he played WR

 

[DFWJC]

Funny thing about it is that our depth at WR is extraordinary, it's the standout guy we're missing

I see it this way more than the paper thin talk

 

[Knotamus]

They don't.

If the Cowboys go empty backfield there are mismatches all over the field.

Absolutely agree.

Our previous Wr core was built for the ‘Romo Era’ and it wasn’t conducive to Daks style of play. That’s not a knock on Dak by any means. Romo was a polished veteran. Dak was only in his sophomore season last year and is refining his skills as expected.

As far as the 2017 receivers go.. the fact is:

• Dez- his poor route running is well known and leading the league in drops didn’t help. His best attribute was being a physical WR, the “50-50” ball, and being an emotional leader (sometimes to a fault). His skills wasn’t a great fit for a young QB that’s known for protecting the ball (with accuracy issues at times), but’s there’s not a doubt in my mind that Dez could return to his 2014 form under a established veterans QB like Rodgers, Brees, etc..
• Williams- also well known body catcher that didn’t create much separation as he’s not considered a ‘burner’. Yet, he found holes in the secondary when plays broke down and Dak scrambling. All it took was an slightly above average CB to take him out of games.
• Beasley- again, not a burner.. but he was the one Wr you could count on to create space with his quickness. Defenses figured it and out and started doubling him up. This was made easier since Beasley was only a threat for ab 10-15 yards down field.
• “Gold Jacket” Witten- as good as he was, no defense was worried ab his speed. He boxed defenders out like no other, timing of throws was critical

At the end of the day, defenses figured out how to shut down our WRs due largely bc of our on limitations, in short.. we were predictable. This is how I invision a DC talking right before the game..

“Put our best Cb on Dez and shade S coverage to prevent the jump ball. Play Williams straight up and see if he can beat us. We’ll use our best coverage LB to help over the top with Beasley and put the most physical secondary player on Witten”

Whether people like our rebuilt core or not, the truth is.. defenses will have to throw the old D playbook out and try to figure out who to cover from week to week. We’ve added a bunch of speed & polished route runners that’s more indicative to Daks game. He’ll be throwing to who ever gets open. And that’s harder to scheme against than what we rolled out there last year.

I know a lot of folks don’t like Scott Linehan “predictable” play calling, but it makes me wonder that he was limited also due to each players limitations. I personally believe, we’re going to see a “revised” look on offense. Of course, not totally different bc we are still a run first team. Hopefully our OL will reclaim thier top status and we’ll have Zeke without suspension ready to prove a point. I really like our Offense. I won’t guess how good they’ll be, but they will be good nonetheless.

 

[kskboys]

Thats still my point they always had a #1 downfield threat whether it was Gronk or Moss to compliment the short passing game

They didn't.

 

[kskboys]

Absolutely agree.

Our previous Wr core was built for the ‘Romo Era’ and it wasn’t conducive to Daks style of play. That’s not a knock on Dak by any means. Romo was a polished veteran. Dak was only in his sophomore season last year and is refining his skills as expected.

As far as the 2017 receivers go.. the fact is:

• Dez- his poor route running is well known and leading the league in drops didn’t help. His best attribute was being a physical WR, the “50-50” ball, and being an emotional leader (sometimes to a fault). His skills wasn’t a great fit for a young QB that’s known for protecting the ball (with accuracy issues at times), but’s there’s not a doubt in my mind that Dez could return to his 2014 form under a established veterans QB like Rodgers, Brees, etc..
• Williams- also well known body catcher that didn’t create much separation as he’s not considered a ‘burner’. Yet, he found holes in the secondary when plays broke down and Dak scrambling. All it took was an slightly above average CB to take him out of games.
• Beasley- again, not a burner.. but he was the one Wr you could count on to create space with his quickness. Defenses figured it and out and started doubling him up. This was made easier since Beasley was only a threat for ab 10-15 yards down field.
• “Gold Jacket” Witten- as good as he was, no defense was worried ab his speed. He boxed defenders out like no other, timing of throws was critical

At the end of the day, defenses figured out how to shut down our WRs due largely bc of our on limitations, in short.. we were predictable. This is how I invision a DC talking right before the game..

“Put our best Cb on Dez and shade S coverage to prevent the jump ball. Play Williams straight up and see if he can beat us. We’ll use our best coverage LB to help over the top with Beasley and put the most physical secondary player on Witten”

Whether people like our rebuilt core or not, the truth is.. defenses will have to throw the old D playbook out and try to figure out who to cover from week to week. We’ve added a bunch of speed & polished route runners that’s more indicative to Daks game. He’ll be throwing to who ever gets open. And that’s harder to scheme against than what we rolled out there last year.

I know a lot of folks don’t like Scott Linehan “predictable” play calling, but it makes me wonder that he was limited also due to each players limitations. I personally believe, we’re going to see a “revised” look on offense. Of course, not totally different bc we are still a run first team. Hopefully our OL will reclaim thier top status and we’ll have Zeke without suspension ready to prove a point. I really like our Offense. I won’t guess how good they’ll be, but they will be good nonetheless.

And make sure and talk to Dez as it's easy to get in his head.

 

[Hennessy_King]

Ya your right our coaching staff (while it does have problems) was never able to get guys like Dez or Owens or Austin or Witten open...lol or maybe it was just the QB who over came the coaching staff? Which do you think it is because you can't have it both ways. The guys i mentioned caught alot of footballs for us with a different QB, so as you say if the coaching is also holding them back then it was our QB overcoming that and if it wasn't the QB then it was the coaching staff doing their job, so please enlighten me as to who you think was the difference maker?

Romo had Dez when he was faster and younger before his foot injury in 15. I think that really limited his physical ability. Witten was younger and more athletic. Owens is a hall of famer. Wth are you talking about lol. The staff has done no one any favors since parcells. Romo played above what he was supposed to as an undrafted guy. His body failed him, the team, and the fanbase.

 

[kskboys]

I see it this way more than the paper thin talk

And we may not be missing the standout guy, we really don't know at this point.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Dak Prescott - QB - Cowboys
Dak Prescott said he doesn't think the Cowboys need a No. 1 receiver.

"I don’t know if any team in the league necessarily needs a No. 1 receiver," said Prescott. "It’s about getting the ball out, spreading the ball around, keeping the defense on its toes." Prescott never quite clicked with Dez Bryant, which could have been a factor in the team cutting him this offseason. Now Prescott is left with a paper-thin receiving corps featuring free agent signing Allen Hurns, Terrance Williams, slot receiver Cole Beasley and third-round rookie Michael Gallup. Dak is going as a mid-range QB2 in early mock drafts.


Source: ProFootballTalk on NBC Sports
May 25 - 4:30 PM

I sort of concur with this. When Dez was out with his foot injury in 2016, we didn't have a true no 1 WR. In an ironic twist, the result was that a lot of receivers saw their reception totals increase substantially, and our offense was motoring along beautifully as a result. So, I think Dak is on to something here.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Absolutely agree.

Our previous Wr core was built for the ‘Romo Era’ and it wasn’t conducive to Daks style of play. That’s not a knock on Dak by any means. Romo was a polished veteran. Dak was only in his sophomore season last year and is refining his skills as expected.

As far as the 2017 receivers go.. the fact is:

• Dez- his poor route running is well known and leading the league in drops didn’t help. His best attribute was being a physical WR, the “50-50” ball, and being an emotional leader (sometimes to a fault). His skills wasn’t a great fit for a young QB that’s known for protecting the ball (with accuracy issues at times), but’s there’s not a doubt in my mind that Dez could return to his 2014 form under a established veterans QB like Rodgers, Brees, etc..
• Williams- also well known body catcher that didn’t create much separation as he’s not considered a ‘burner’. Yet, he found holes in the secondary when plays broke down and Dak scrambling. All it took was an slightly above average CB to take him out of games.
• Beasley- again, not a burner.. but he was the one Wr you could count on to create space with his quickness. Defenses figured it and out and started doubling him up. This was made easier since Beasley was only a threat for ab 10-15 yards down field.
• “Gold Jacket” Witten- as good as he was, no defense was worried ab his speed. He boxed defenders out like no other, timing of throws was critical

At the end of the day, defenses figured out how to shut down our WRs due largely bc of our on limitations, in short.. we were predictable. This is how I invision a DC talking right before the game..

“Put our best Cb on Dez and shade S coverage to prevent the jump ball. Play Williams straight up and see if he can beat us. We’ll use our best coverage LB to help over the top with Beasley and put the most physical secondary player on Witten”

Whether people like our rebuilt core or not, the truth is.. defenses will have to throw the old D playbook out and try to figure out who to cover from week to week. We’ve added a bunch of speed & polished route runners that’s more indicative to Daks game. He’ll be throwing to who ever gets open. And that’s harder to scheme against than what we rolled out there last year.

I know a lot of folks don’t like Scott Linehan “predictable” play calling, but it makes me wonder that he was limited also due to each players limitations. I personally believe, we’re going to see a “revised” look on offense. Of course, not totally different bc we are still a run first team. Hopefully our OL will reclaim thier top status and we’ll have Zeke without suspension ready to prove a point. I really like our Offense. I won’t guess how good they’ll be, but they will be good nonetheless.

Very well said.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

I sort of concur with this. When Dez was out with his foot injury in 2016, we didn't have a true no 1 WR. In an ironic twist, the result was that a lot of receivers saw their reception totals increase substantially, and our offense was motoring along beautifully as a result. So, I think Dak is on to something here.

In fact, in that season, I would argue that Dak played better WITHOUT Dez than he did WITH.