Dak getting on Chaz Green

[kevm3]

THANK YOU! That’s all I’m saying.

And before someone says “any qb would fail miserably like Dak did if they had that kind of pressure” is where I disagree. Dak had some weaknesses exposed that better QB’s wouldn’t have had under pressure but hopefully that can be corrected. I could also easily flip that argument and say “any qb would have the same success, if not better, if they had the same O line and RB Dak has”.

If any QB could have success behind that O line, then why couldn't 4 other qbs win a game after Romo went out? McFadden wasn't a Zeke, but he was a 1000 yard rusher... and yet they can't win a single game. The problem with the organization is on coaching moreso than anything else.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

And that is my concern...

Again, not bashing Dak but so far that is what we’ve seen IMO.

Agreed, but what we've seen is a two year quarterback, he can improve.

And I think he will...

 

[The Fonz]

Dak should get on Dak first.

 

[kskboys]

Green was gone the minute we drafted Connor after signing Flemming in FA. Now it's just a matter of when.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

What did Tom Brady do without an amazing O line?

Can we put a moratorium on bringing up Brady every time there's a question about our quarterback?

PLEASE?

Brady is about the biggest exception EVER for a late round draft pick. To constantly say "well Brady did this and Brady did that" is first of all unnecessary, we all know what he's done, and second he's had the benefit of Belichick and an owner that isn't the gm. If Belichick can go 11-5 with Cassell, who went 1-6 at Dallas, obviously he's a better coach than Garrett.

SB winning quarterbacks include Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Jeff Hostetler, Doug Williams and Mark Rypien. Any of those considered great, top notch, NFL quarterbacks other than the SB win? Jim Plunkett was a career backup, he won two SBs.

Using Brady for a reason to criticize Dak is just plain wrong...

 

[glimmerman]

I hope Chaz has worked his but off and comes in healthy and a brand new man. He has some talent or we wouldn’t keep messing with him. He has injury problems and was supposedly playing injured in the falcons game. Blame the staffs as much as you blame him. He was the best we had to replace Tyron at the time. And the staff sure could have given him help after he gave up the second sack. They left him out to dry. Hurt the whole Offense. JG and his lack of being able to make adjustments in games make this team predictable. He comes from a time we were dominate and could beat down any team whether they knew what we were gonna do or not. You can’t build that with a salary cap.

 

[Seven]

Dak is very impressive for his young age, just a different breed of human. Really hope he can get his throws down this year cause we need it bad...

He's an old soul for his age................rare.

 

[kevm3]

Can we put a moratorium on bringing up Brady every time there's a question about our quarterback?

PLEASE?

Brady is about the biggest exception EVER for a late round draft pick. To constantly say "well Brady did this and Brady did that" is first of all unnecessary, we all know what he's done, and second he's had the benefit of Belichick and an owner that isn't the gm. If Belichick can go 11-5 with Cassell, who went 1-6 at Dallas, obviously he's a better coach than Garrett.

SB winning quarterbacks include Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Jeff Hostetler, Doug Williams and Mark Rypien. Any of those considered great, top notch, NFL quarterbacks other than the SB win? Jim Plunkett was a career backup, he won two SBs.

Using Brady for a reason to criticize Dak is just plain wrong...

I used Brady to defend Dak. Brady is an utterly amazing QB, but he's also had the luxury of arguably the best coach in NFL history and of rarely getting hit because of an excellent O-line. When the giants were able to beat Brady, they were able to get pressure on him. There's very few QBs who get it done without an excellent O-line... they usually have shut down defenses or are extremely mobile. The concern of what Dak will do without an excellent O line is a misguided one imo, and would point to an organizational failure rather than a QB failure. We've already seen what Dak can do WITH an excellent line, so why would we alter that formula? If you can't pay all your current guys, keep drafting new ones.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

I used Brady to defend Dak. Brady is an utterly amazing QB, but he's also had the luxury of arguably the best coach in NFL history and of rarely getting hit because of an excellent O-line. When the giants were able to beat Brady, they were able to get pressure on him. There's very few QBs who get it done without an excellent O-line... they usually have shut down defenses or are extremely mobile. The concern of what Dak will do without an excellent O line is a misguided one imo, and would point to an organizational failure rather than a QB failure. We've already seen what Dak can do WITH an excellent line, so why would we alter that formula? If you can't pay all your current guys, keep drafting new ones.

I understand, just tired of hearing "but Brady..." over and over again

 

[Bullflop]

Give me a break, 3-4 of the best linemen in the league and everyone continues to blame Dak’s woes on one guy. Yeah, Green sucks but what’s gonna happen 3-4 years down the road if we don’t have an O lone when Dak has all day to throw?

Funny how many people say Manning is going down hill when he has had one of the worst O lines in football for the past 5-6 years and one of the worst, if not the worst, LT in the game protecting his blind side yet the only reason Dak failed was because of one guy. Dak wouldn’t even have been a starter half way though his rookie season with some of these O lines.

For the record, I’m not bashing Dak. I like Dak and think he had potential but after last season I’m also concerned that the O line is covering up a lot of his weaknesses and if we sign him to a huge contract to be our franchise QB and god forbid we have an average O line, will the same Dak we saw half way through last season show up?

We were discussing Chad Green when he acted like a matador on the left side. Dak didn't even have time to fade back and get set when he was bombarded with hits. That wasn't representative of what to normally expect of him.

He lost his confidence in that Atlanta game; that much was fairly obvious, I think. I share your concerns for him but the only way we'll find out is to play him this year to see how he fares.

I think there's a good chance that we'll both be pleased with the results. If not, he has some pretty good candidates behind him, not to mention the fact that we could draft another one if his backup QBs don't pan out. I share your concern an all but all we can do as fans is hope for the best. I imagine the Dallas staff has some measure of concern as well, although they're not going to go public with it.

The best we can do as fans is hope that the best in him comes out this year. The staff is sure to afford him every possible chance to succeed. Realistically, I'm expecting the new WRs and the new staff members to have growing pains early in the season, so there may be that to deal with as well. It'll work out eventually.

 

[dallasdave]

Dak should get on Dak first.

OH YEAH !!!

 

[dallasdave]

We were discussing Chad Green when he acted like a matador on the left side. Dak didn't even have time to fade back and get set when he was bombarded with hits. That wasn't representative of what to normally expect of him.

He lost his confidence in that Atlanta game; that much was fairly obvious, I think. I share your concerns for him but the only way we'll find out is to play him this year to see how he fares.

I think there's a good chance that we'll both be pleased with the results. If not, he has some pretty good candidates behind him, not to mention the fact that we could draft another one if his backup QBs don't pan out. I share your concern an all but all we can do as fans is hope for the best. I imagine the Dallas staff has some measure of concern as well, although they're not going to go public with it.

All we can do as fans is hope that the best in him comes out this year. The staff is sure to afford him every possible chance to succeed. Realistically, I'm expecting the new WRs and the new staff members to have growing pains early in the season, so there may be that to deal with as well. It'll work out eventually.

GET Rid of CHAZ !!!! NOW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[PhillyCowboysFan]

That's what roster cut downs are for.

Yes but he shouldn’t even have been on the team plane leaving Atlanta....LOL

 

[LACowboysFan1]

Green has played in only 18 games, only 4 before last year. It's possible he just wasn't "ready for prime time". Plus Cowboys put him a guard some, that requires some adjustment, then he'd have to re-adjust to go back to tackle. Possibly not familiar enough with the pass blocking sets, etc.

Or he could just plain not be talented enough to play in the NFL.

With his limited game experience and moving between positions, with a full camp and pre-season he could get better. He's got the size and per his NFL draft profile good footwork, so it's possible he can be serviceable. But this is his last shot, if he doesn't get better quick, he's a "gone pecan"...

 

[Bullflop]

GET Rid of CHAZ !!!! NOW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We might have to wait a while but I'd be flabbergasted if the team doesn't send him packing by the time "the Turk" comes calling.

 

[Bleu Star]

Do you know how many fans blamed Dak instead of holding dez accountable for his crappy techniques!? Dez gave dak ****ty options more than not but they say it was more of daks accuracy.

Dak wasn't perfect but dez also proved he couldn't go up and get the ball, and drop it, even when it was accurate and on time.

Oh trust me..... I know.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

Ya cut Green now...lets add to the Dak-Extinction list...lets see a couple of coaches, Dez, Romo, who else we will sacrifice till we all realize that Dak is the real culprit ????

P.S. Dez was fine till guess who showed up????

 

[Kevinicus]

In a way that's how it had to be for romo. Every time the cowboys lost a star at a position it was down hill from there.

But I dont blame romo or Dak for that, I blame the coaches. Them being unable to adjust goes back years.

L.O.L

 

[aria]

I'm assuming that "atleast" one of the flaws you are referring to are pre-snap adjustments. In that case also dak is just doing what he is told. The coaches at times are not giving dak options.

The staff needs to have a B and C plan when A goes down hill. How can dak take in more knowledge if the coaches dont even know what to do or tell him.

If I'm told to go out and snap the ball then I snap the ball. But if i have some genius in my ear like "BB" telling me to "look out for this incase that happens"...then that makes a big difference.

Dak is on a leash because the coaches are idiots. Plain and simple.

Really? Plain and simple, huh? So you know for a fact that Dak has no ability to make adjustments? Another easy excuse with no facts to support your theory. When all else fails blame it on coaching.

So some people say all of Dak’s success his first year was because Romo was in his ear telling him what to do. Now you’re telling me that the coaches won’t let him make his own pre snap adjustments. I’m quite sure no one knows but they use both of those excuses to support their argument one way or the other.

 

[aria]

Don't waste your time with the Dak-bots they reside in there own grid-iron universe.First and foremost its Dak then the Cowboys.
They don't care how many embarrassing losses we have as long as Dak is under center being his inept self.
Heck were running a college offense now cause noodle Dak can't pass over 10 yards but hey as far as the Dak-bots are concerned thats just fine.
Get ready for a zillion more excuses this coming season when Dak isn't moving the offense and couldn't pass for over 200 yards if his life depended on it.
America's team our team will reach new lows on offense with Noodle Dak at the helm....we got a taste last season and it will continue as Dak STINKS!

Well I respect your opinion but I won’t go nearly as far as you....yet. I still have hope for Dak but do acknowledge there is room for improvement, some of which you mentioned. I also think Dak will do just fine and look more like 2016 Dak but as I mentioned, I’m concerned we’ll give him big money and eventually find out he won’t be nearly as successful, and may be pretty bad, without a top 5 O line and RB which we can only sustain for so long (most likely) without ignoring other positions of need. For the near term, next 3-4 years, we should he should be ok barring any major injuries.