Dak getting on Chaz Green

[InTheZone]

What did we do without an o line here period? Romo could have won a superbowl, but without an O line and a coaching staff that doesn't adjust for circumstances, we get 8 and 8 over and over again, and that's about what we can expect from Dak and just about any other qb here with the exception of Aaron Rodgers. What did Tom Brady do without an amazing O line?

Do you know how many fans blamed Dak instead of holding dez accountable for his crappy techniques!? Dez gave dak ****ty options more than not but they say it was more of daks accuracy.

Dak wasn't perfect but dez also proved he couldn't go up and get the ball, and drop it, even when it was accurate and on time.

Dez dropped the ball more than he should have, but the amount of drops vs bad passes simply cannot be compared because it is lopsided like a fat kid on seesaw. Let's not act like Dez was the only one getting inconsistent placement bad passes or were ignored completely when wide open.

 

[aria]

What did we do without an o line here period? Romo could have won a superbowl, but without an O line and a coaching staff that doesn't adjust for circumstances, we get 8 and 8 over and over again, and that's about what we can expect from Dak and just about any other qb here with the exception of Aaron Rodgers. What did Tom Brady do without an amazing O line?

Other QB’s may not be as good without a top 5 O line but they don’t crumble and fall apart. How many teams that made the playoffs last year had a top 5 O line and best RB in the league? If that’s what it takes every year for Dak to succeed than I don’t want him as our QB. I’m not BASHING DAK, I’m just saying it’s a legitimate concern after last year. I’ve also said 1,000 times I think Dak will be better this year but I’m worried that if he isn’t surrounded by Pro Bowlers then not only does he not compensate, he regresses.

How many times have we already heard the excuse “Dak was never the same after Atlanta, how could any QB recover from a game like that”. Really? REALLY? Give me a break.

Don’t even get me started on Romo, he’s just as responsible for his non Super Bowl as the coaching was.

 

[erod]

HAS to be someone else they could look at instead....

Chaz Green was good in 2016.

 

[aria]

If any QB could have success behind that O line, then why couldn't 4 other qbs win a game after Romo went out? McFadden wasn't a Zeke, but he was a 1000 yard rusher... and yet they can't win a single game. The problem with the organization is on coaching moreso than anything else.

Perhaps I should have clarified, most (if not all) starting QB’s. Weeden and Cassle aren’t starting QB’s.

 

[aria]

Agreed, but what we've seen is a two year quarterback, he can improve.

And I think he will...

I agree and that’s what I’m hoping for. Like I said, I expect him to look more like 2016 this year but my whole point/concern is that we give him a big contract only to find out in a few years that he can’t get it done without a top 5 O line and RB. Very few teams consistently have a top O line, we’re one of the few fortunate ones to have had that for the past few years and Connor will certainly help continue that but I have my doubts how long we can keep that up without ignoring other positions of need. Regardless, we/Dak should be just fine for the next few years.

 

[aria]

We were discussing Chad Green when he acted like a matador on the left side. Dak didn't even have time to fade back and get set when he was bombarded with hits. That wasn't representative of what to normally expect of him.

He lost his confidence in that Atlanta game; that much was fairly obvious, I think. I share your concerns for him but the only way we'll find out is to play him this year to see how he fares.

I think there's a good chance that we'll both be pleased with the results. If not, he has some pretty good candidates behind him, not to mention the fact that we could draft another one if his backup QBs don't pan out. I share your concern an all but all we can do as fans is hope for the best. I imagine the Dallas staff has some measure of concern as well, although they're not going to go public with it.

The best we can do as fans is hope that the best in him comes out this year. The staff is sure to afford him every possible chance to succeed. Realistically, I'm expecting the new WRs and the new staff members to have growing pains early in the season, so there may be that to deal with as well. It'll work out eventually.

Don’t take this the wrong way but I’m so sick of hearing about his confidence after the Atlanta game. If he’s that mentally weak then none of us should be supporting him no matter how good he is. So every time he has a rough game we can expect him to regress the rest of the season because he’s a mental midget?

BTW, I don’t think he is mentally weak and I don’t think the Atlanta game had anything to do with his downfall. I just think he needs areas of improvement and he was exposed, coincidentally after the Atlanta game.

I do agree that he’ll be just fine this year and for the next 2-3 years. My concern is how will he be if we give him a multi year contract for BIG money only to find out that he can’t be good without a top 5 O line? That’s not the kind of franchise QB we want IMO. Not saying that’s the case, just concerned after last year and fortunately/unfortunately we probably won’t find out for another few years when this O line may not be nearly as good.

 

[starcity214]

My god, can people stop bringing up the ONE Atlanta game? Does that explain the other 7 games we lost?

It’s a concern because I have doubts we’ll be able to keep drafting and paying for a top 5 O line for the rest of Daks career. It’s not an immediate concern but say he does very well this year (which I assume he will) then we sign him to a big contract and 3-5 years down the road the O line isn’t top 5 and is middle of the road, will he flop like did last season when ONE “journeryman” O lineman fills in? Are we going to be able to keep 3-4 Pro Bowlers and great depth on the O line?

Thankfully we got Connor so that’s a start.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

Well I respect your opinion but I won’t go nearly as far as you....yet. I still have hope for Dak but do acknowledge there is room for improvement, some of which you mentioned. I also think Dak will do just fine and look more like 2016 Dak but as I mentioned, I’m concerned we’ll give him big money and eventually find out he won’t be nearly as successful, and may be pretty bad, without a top 5 O line and RB which we can only sustain for so long (most likely) without ignoring other positions of need. For the near term, next 3-4 years, we should he should be ok barring any major injuries.

2016 was unique as opposing defenses weren't ready for Zeke and had no tape on Dak add to that a last place schedule well you get the idea. Looking for magic to strike twice I feel is a waste of time.
In the NFL unless you have a top notch once in 20 years defense like the 85 Bears or the 2000 Ravens you cannot win with a Dak like QB.
Don't let the hype of the Dallas Wall fool you like any other offline they can be beat with the right def-lineman and blitz patterns(Denver says Hello).
What these dreamers refuse to acknowledge
is how many flaws Dak has and hope Zeke and our offline make the difference.
Well they won't and we will once again look horrible on offense with our run run run and dink and dunk passes that are very short of that coveted 1st down and yes courtesy of our inept QB Mr. Prescott.
Oh well we're only a summer away from Mr. Prescott final dance of inept play and as his HC says he needs to improve in ALL areas. Yes that's a message to Dak and there's really nothing he can do as he does not have the talent base to start for any NFL team at QB let alone America's team.
Time will squash all the Dak-Dreams and we will all be here come this winter once again pondering our failing situation.....no mind we will be here supporting our Dallas Cowboys but Dak will be another RG3 or Tim Tebow once remembered but out of the NFL for good!

 

[SoupcanSam]

Really? Plain and simple, huh? So you know for a fact that Dak has no ability to make adjustments? Another easy excuse with no facts to support your theory. When all else fails blame it on coaching.

So some people say all of Dak’s success his first year was because Romo was in his ear telling him what to do. Now you’re telling me that the coaches won’t let him make his own pre snap adjustments. I’m quite sure no one knows but they use both of those excuses to support their argument one way or the other.

These are the same coaches that didn't have a clue on adjusting the oline kn the Atlanta game! Dak didn't make many presnap adjustment, and I doubt he was getting himself killed on purpose.

He just did what he was told.

 

[SoupcanSam]

Dez dropped the ball more than he should have, but the amount of drops vs bad passes simply cannot be compared because it is lopsided like a fat kid on seesaw. Let's not act like Dez was the only one getting inconsistent placement bad passes or were ignored completely when wide open.

How could dak concentrate on anything when he basically had dez in his ear crying every second? Dak more so tried to please dez rather than play his own game, which imo was his games without dez where he spread the ball around and have good success.

Dez came back and just ruined the whole thing.

 

[aria]

2016 was unique as opposing defenses weren't ready for Zeke and had no tape on Dak add to that a last place schedule well you get the idea. Looking for magic to strike twice I feel is a waste of time.
In the NFL unless you have a top notch once in 20 years defense like the 85 Bears or the 2000 Ravens you cannot win with a Dak like QB.
Don't let the hype of the Dallas Wall fool you like any other offline they can be beat with the right def-lineman and blitz patterns(Denver says Hello).
What these dreamers refuse to acknowledge
is how many flaws Dak has and hope Zeke and our offline make the difference.
Well they won't and we will once again look horrible on offense with our run run run and dink and dunk passes that are very short of that coveted 1st down and yes courtesy of our inept QB Mr. Prescott.
Oh well we're only a summer away from Mr. Prescott final dance of inept play and as his HC says he needs to improve in ALL areas. Yes that's a message to Dak and there's really nothing he can do as he does not have the talent base to start for any NFL team at QB let alone America's team.
Time will squash all the Dak-Dreams and we will all be here come this winter once again pondering our failing situation.....no mind we will be here supporting our Dallas Cowboys but Dak will be another RG3 or Tim Tebow once remembered but out of the NFL for good!

Sorry man, I can’t agree with any of that until proven otherwise. I think our O line will make all the difference, Dak will be able to continue to dink and dunk with the occasional shot downfield and we’ll dominate primarily with the run game. We’ll see.

 

[aria]

These are the same coaches that didn't have a clue on adjusting the oline kn the Atlanta game! Dak didn't make many presnap adjustment, and I doubt he was getting himself killed on purpose.

He just did what he was told.

One game doesn’t excuse the rest of his flaws when the coaching was just fine.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

Sorry man, I can’t agree with any of that until proven otherwise. I think our O line will make all the difference, Dak will be able to continue to dink and dunk with the occasional shot downfield and we’ll dominate primarily with the run game. We’ll see.

My Cowboy brother let's hope you're right here and I'm wrong but i highly doubt it....Go Boys!

 

[noshame]

If any QB could have success behind that O line, then why couldn't 4 other qbs win a game after Romo went out? McFadden wasn't a Zeke, but he was a 1000 yard rusher... and yet they can't win a single game. The problem with the organization is on coaching moreso than anything else.

Don't confuse the Dak whiners with facts.

 

[Bullflop]

Don’t take this the wrong way but I’m so sick of hearing about his confidence after the Atlanta game. If he’s that mentally weak then none of us should be supporting him no matter how good he is. So every time he has a rough game we can expect him to regress the rest of the season because he’s a mental midget?

BTW, I don’t think he is mentally weak and I don’t think the Atlanta game had anything to do with his downfall. I just think he needs areas of improvement and he was exposed, coincidentally after the Atlanta game.

I do agree that he’ll be just fine this year and for the next 2-3 years. My concern is how will he be if we give him a multi year contract for BIG money only to find out that he can’t be good without a top 5 O line? That’s not the kind of franchise QB we want IMO. Not saying that’s the case, just concerned after last year and fortunately/unfortunately we probably won’t find out for another few years when this O line may not be nearly as good.

I don't think he's mentally weak at all to be compromised by an OL that obviously couldn't afford him adequate protection. Regardless of how good the other members are, other than Chaz Green and Bell, he was supremely vulnerable to being pummeled under the pathetic conditions that were offered by the backups. Most other young QBs would be seriously compromised under the identical circumstances, imho. Insufficient time to deliver is a killer.

Dak needs to improve upon his downfield accuracy -- I have no problem with that premise. He'll either achieve that goal or he won't. The extra time he's likely to be afforded by a far better, healthier and deeper OL should serve to help him to achieve that specific goal which he seeks.

If that's just not quite enough to serve him very well in the long run, obviously, the FO and the staff will be obliged to make the necessary corrections. That's something to be dealt with if and when the situation demands. This season's end will go a long way to show proof of his belonging in the QB post.

As of now, inadquacy hasn't been the case, imho. We'll eventually see what the future has to offer in that respect. Dak's support is obviously destined to improve greatly. Let's see where that takes us, shall we? I'm optimistic that Dak will respond well or be dutifully replaced. Despite the pessimism by too many others, nobody is more determined than he is to right the Dallas ship. I think he's a good bet to do so.

 

[aria]

I don't think he's mentally weak at all to be compromised by an OL that obviously couldn't afford him adequate protection. Regardless of how good the other members are, other than Chaz Green and Bell, he was supremely vulnerable to being pummeled under the pathetic conditions that were offered by the backups. Most other young QBs would be seriously compromised under the identical circumstances, imho. Insufficient time to deliver is a killer.

Dak needs to improve upon his downfield accuracy -- I have no problem with that premise. He'll either achieve that goal or he won't. The extra time he's likely to be afforded by a far better, healthier and deeper OL should serve to help him to achieve that specific goal which he seeks.

If that's just not quite enough to serve him very well in the long run, obviously, the FO and the staff will be obliged to make the necessary corrections. That's something to be dealt with if and when the situation demands. This season's end will go a long way to show proof of his belonging in the QB post.

As of now, inadquacy hasn't been the case, imho. We'll eventually see what the future has to offer in that respect. Dak's support is obviously destined to improve greatly. Let's see where that takes us, shall we? I'm optimistic that Dak will respond well or be dutifully replaced. Despite the pessimism by too many others, nobody is more determined than he is to right the Dallas ship. I think he's a good bet to do so.

Nice post other than the first paragraph

 

[Bullflop]

Nice post other than the first paragraph

Evidently, it's the doubts that meet your agenda.

 

[SoupcanSam]

One game doesn’t excuse the rest of his flaws when the coaching was just fine.

I've never seen a game where dak completely dogged it and the coaches didn't have a hand in it.

Coaching just fine!!!

 

[Bullflop]

I've never seen a game where dak completely dogged it and the coaches didn't have a hand in it.

Coaching just fine!!!

Yes the coaching was simply superb, especially in consideration of the fact that Green wasn't offered help, nor was Bell.

 

[aria]

Evidently, it's the doubts that meet your agenda.

Haha...touche.