You ignore the premise of the discussion as it evolved.
Premise: "The Cowboys could have signed Dak earlier and got him cheaper but they didn't really try and just lowballed him".
My argument: "That is not true". (Pick any one of the detailed responses I've already posted for further details.)
Now you're bringing in the length of contract aspect to move the goalposts.
The 4 vs 5 year point only became an issue after Dak refused (backed out of actually, if reports are true) the offer that would have paid him right there with his peers, in 2019. Lol at Jerry wanting six years. You're pulling that one out of....
I challenge you to find a higher end QB contract that did not have the player under contract for a minimum of five years. You won't find one. You will find "4 year contracts" but every one of them will be extensions of the previous contract which puts the player under contract for the "4 year deal" plus the remaining time of the existing contract. This is standard operating procedure in these situations. It puts money in the players pocket sooner and it gives the team the extra year(s) for cap management. Go ahead, find an example of a franchise QB signing that had the QB under contract for only four years at the time it was signed.
As far as whose "fault" it is..... I don't care. That aspect hasn't even entered my mind throughout this exchange. Again, I was simply responding to the oft stated assertion that "They could have gotten Dak cheaper earlier but didn't try so they had to overpay". That is just not true.
Dak played hardball to get both the money and the terms. Fair enough. He can do whatever he wants. He won, and won big.
Let's just not pretend that he didn't play hardball from the beginning of this saga, nor that Jerry tried to lowball him.
You don't have to take my word for any of this. It's been reported and discussed ad nauseum.
Hell, you can probably buy a "Dak's betting on himself" t-shirt" on Amazon.....
well you just hell bent on proving that the current state of the team is dak's fault.
I never said lowballed him, I just said the offer was lower than what he was willing to accept. FACT. undeniable fact. the two sides didn't come to agreement and they walked away. FACT, undeniable fact.
so this low ball stuff is your line of thinking, as it is obviously your premise that he is greedy and that low balling non-sense is part of the logic you are trying to insist to prove Dak is greedy. all I said and its a fact that the offer was lower than he was willing to accept and that they could have had him for cheaper if they would have been willing to meet the demands back then than compared to what he eventually got (FACT, undeniable fact). the fact that Jones' walked away not willing to pay an additional couple of millions or so....its called a negotiation....at any point the parties can simply walk away (i.e. see Randy gregory)
i the negotiation sticking point was the length of the contract second time around. its well documented in the media and subsequently they agreed to a much higher contract value with longer length...if you want to say the media is not the proof of anything and show me where that's the case...then I am going to ask you show me as there is no proof outside of what was reported by the media in either case.
and it wasn't a 4, vs. 5, it was a 4 vs. 6 years and the reason behind it as reported by the media was to hit FA after 2023 when the cap goes up significantly.....that's why goff, Wentz and Wilson signed extensions and their teams willing to do so, as they all become FA in 2023 or 2024 (they all bet on themzelves just like Dak), with the expected raise in the cap, expecting salaries to go up significanty would give them opportunity to negotiate a much higher contract.
and Dak played hardball.. ok, lets assume he did....SO WHAT? he is within his negotiating rights to ask for $80M/ year as I said before....if that's what he thinks he can get. now, fans would balk and argue about contract value, etc.....but us fans opinions has absolutely zero bearing on anything other than our emotional investment and opinions in ranking players based on contract value (how many times did we hear he is second highest paid and should play at second highest level, but I guess now our expectations are lower because he is now the 4th highest paid which is what I mentioned back then too....).
facts.....Jones could have walked away. facts he didn't. you blame Dak for that. which is because of your anger and hatred towards Dak and your emotional investment in all of this.
Dak didn't sign himself to a contract. it takes two. a player will ask for as much as he thinks he can get. Gregory could have asked for 20M. would he get it? Clowney was reported to be wanting upwards of 20-22M/year for his contract. he didn't get it. he was on a one year deal with Cleveland.
once you put your emotions and anger and hatred away and look at this purely in a business perspective you will clearly see, its not about greed and what anyone owes anybody....its a business negotiation of what I think my services are worth (based on my own opinion) and what the other side is willing to pay and thinks I am worth... I have been in similar situations and demanded a much higher dollar rate and the contracting agency walked away and weren't willing to do it.....see, they walked away. I have been able to get similar rates in the past from other contracting agencies. see, they didn't walk away. its not greed. its business. purely and simply, nothing but.
