Dak has ruined this team

[Cboyfan4ever]

yet another "fan" who thinks it will be fun to watch the team fail if it does. Proving more and more that some of the fans of this team care more about being right than the teams success. Its mind boggling.

What success?Like the last 26 yrs?

 

[Vtwin]

actually, the rams ran on the cowboys at will to the tune of 252 yards. controlled the clock and the ball with their running and then forced cowboys into a passing game, in which case we played right into their hands. despite all of that, 4th quarter, the score was within 8 points with half the quarter to go. the defense had a chance to make a stop, twice and they failed both times. with 2:00 minutes to go, they ran the ball for 25 yards, including an 11 yard run to Goff of all people. start of 4th quarter, the defense gave up an 8 minute drive and a score.....giving up 40 yards.....

that was a defensive collapse if we had to pick one area that screwed up.

But we don't have to pick one area. We can look at the whole picture. We can see the offensive ineptitude on four consecutive drives through the first half and into the second. We can apply our understanding of the game to conclude that the offense hung the struggling defense out to dry by doing absolutely nothing for half the game. We can acknowledge that offense was considered the strength of the team, We can acknowledge that even one good drive that ended in a score during the half game offensive drought could have made a difference. We can acknowledge that we all saw some big plays in the passing game completely whiffed on by the QB. There are a lot of things we can acknowledge if we try and see it as it was.

I do agree with this though.

"then forced cowboys into a passing game, in which case we played right into their hands."

We most definitely did play right into their hands by having to rely on the passing game.

Peace and love......

 

[George]

OMG, I have never seen anyone as confused as you on this board. you are all over the place and haven't followed one line of logic.

I quote, you said

"40 million with 200 available to an average player. That sums up our chances here."

which I proceeded to correct you. there is no denying what you said is totally wrong from every angle. what I responded was absolutely correct, no denying that.

subsequently you asked for results. my answer was the the way you calculate the impact to the cap, vs. results are separate concepts. but that's way above your level of understanding.

now, you agree with me. that teams spend and manage cap and win superbowls. your frustration is not with the dollars handed out and cap management, its with talent evaluation and how the team is constructed. you tried to attack and vent, but used an absolute meaningless logic.

and 40M is not what's paid to Dak on the cap. its the talent evaluation part that sucks. and I am in total agreement with you on that. I don't mind handing out 40M. it can be easily managed on the cap. but the way this team is constructed is like a fantasy football team.

you are one very frustrated person. almost foaming at the mouth with anger. I get it. I am also mad at the management of the Cowboys as they have managed to screw everything up, royally.

You are using the cap money to perpetuate poor talent choices and overall mismanagement. Have someone explain to you what efficient spending means. Somehow, in your own special way, you think digging a deeper hole is okay? 25 years later and what do we have. People on this forum telling you that Dak’s salary is really not $40 million because it really doesn’t affect the cap that much? Talk about denial.

 

[Vtwin]

You are using the cap money to perpetuate poor talent choices and overall mismanagement. Have someone explain to you what efficient spending means. Somehow, in your own special way, you think digging a deeper hole is okay? 25 years later and what do we have. People on this forum telling you that Dak’s salary is really not $40 million because it really doesn’t affect the cap that much? Talk about denial.

It's like financing a new boat for ten years, being upside down in two years but hey, it's ok.... the monthly payments are low.

 

[Swagger]

Indeed . The usual Dak trend , a terrible start , unable to execute plays or read defenses , this makes the defenses stack the box to kill the run game , the cowboys fall behind , then in desperation start throwing to catch up , defenses play prevent defense , Dak makes some desperation throws , empty calorie late game yards , cowboys end up losing anyway .Dak has some yards to show , in a losing effort . We have seen this movie before . Actually , the 49ers last game was another reminder .

Standard!
Rinse and repeat.

 

[Ken]

Hmm. Funny thing is...SOME people can say our defense needs some work....while STILL being able to assess Dak. That old walk AND chew gum at the same time thing.

Some people can't do that. It's okay.

I agree.

Some can't understand the concept of a team game, they believe (when convenient) that the qb is the be all/end all for whether a team wins or loses. They believe that if they don't pull out miracles every time that they somehow are the worst qb in the league. When they do pull out miracles, it was because of everyone else or inferior competition, however.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

But we don't have to pick one area. We can look at the whole picture. We can see the offensive ineptitude on four consecutive drives through the first half and into the second. We can apply our understanding of the game to conclude that the offense hung the struggling defense out to dry by doing absolutely nothing for half the game. We can acknowledge that offense was considered the strength of the team, We can acknowledge that even one good drive that ended in a score during the half game offensive drought could have made a difference. We can acknowledge that we all saw some big plays in the passing game completely whiffed on by the QB. There are a lot of things we can acknowledge if we try and see it as it was.

I do agree with this though.

"then forced cowboys into a passing game, in which case we played right into their hands."

We most definitely did play right into their hands by having to rely on the passing game.

Peace and love......

the fact is that the defense was struggling, but the way its stated is that the offense hung them to dry. where the fact is the defense sucked that day. one could argue the defense hung the offense to dry. this doesn't mean I am dismissing offensive struggles across the board. that was the game that Collins sacked Dak...figure that one out. Dak, OL, RBs all struggled and of course we ran the Garrett/Linehan offense. Rams first drive they spent 6 minutes and just scored a field goal, but it was sign of things to come. they rushed for 38 yards on that drive, with not much success passing.

the offense actually took the lead on next drive and we were up 7-3. only taking less than 4 minutes.
Next drive, they spent 8 minutes and drove down, rushing for 48 yards.. scored another field goal and we were still up 7-6..that's 86 yards two drives and they already had a 13 minutes to 4 minutes time advantage. I knew right there that this game was going to go their way and they are having their way with our defensive front.

next drive we stalled. then they got the ball. another 4.5 minute drive, rushing for 28 yards. scoring on a run. ....they were over 110 yards rushing already, in the first half, on three drives.......

we had no chance that day, unless the offense scored every possession and we could run the ball. and we couldn't run the ball. at that point we had rushed 6 times for 11 yards, and Dak was 4/5 for 68 yards.....it was sign of things to come.

3rd possession of the half, the rams ran the ball again, for 48 yards. and scored again

so rams had 4 possessions and scored on each possession. we had three possession and scored on one..

you may want to put the onus on offense and expecting them to have been spactacular to keep up with rams in a high scoring game. facts are the offense didn't play great, but they didn't play bad neither. the problem was the defense played bad. really bad....when you give up 252 yards rushing, you have had a really really really bad day.

btw, garrett/linehan. they rushed 5 out of 7 times on first downs....no balance and given we couldn't run, we were in 2nd and long all day.

 

[Ken]

You are correct in that.But in those games where we were gashed by the run,constant 3 and outs by Dak and the O certainly don’t help.Once in a while you have to make a play, even if things aren’t perfect to break that momentum.Dak doesn’t seem to be able to do so until it’s too late and garbage time.

That is the problem with giving up that many yards rushing...it eats clock, it wears out the defense, it makes the job of the opposing defense easier, it makes it hard to get in a rhythm, and it puts MORE pressure on the offense to be perfect. They can't afford to have a three and out or they won't see the ball again for a half hour.

See 2014 and 2016 for how effective this approach is.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

You are using the cap money to perpetuate poor talent choices and overall mismanagement. Have someone explain to you what efficient spending means. Somehow, in your own special way, you think digging a deeper hole is okay? 25 years later and what do we have. People on this forum telling you that Dak’s salary is really not $40 million because it really doesn’t affect the cap that much? Talk about denial.

I am not using cap money to perpetuate poor talent choice...when did I say that? in reality its you who is doing that.....I simply dismissed the fact that 40M is handicapping the team from signing talent. ..... fact is, its not handicapping the team from a cap perspective. we could sign good talent. the problem is as you have said it indirectly, poor talent choices. poor talent choices have nothing to do with cap.....its a "choice" and Jerry makes wrong "choices"....no amount of cap, even if there wasn't any cap...could remedy that issue. we don't have poor talent because of the cap. we have poor talent because of crappy GM.

but you do have the right points on the matter, just not the logical reasoning.

now, you are back to your "average salary" routine....Dak's cap hit in 2021 was 17M. his cap hit is 19M in 2022. so tell me where the 40M cap hit against a 200M cap comes into play? again, not denying the lack of talent. but the contract is not the reason we are where we are.

 

[Cboyfan4ever]

That is the problem with giving up that many yards rushing...it eats clock, it wears out the defense, it makes the job of the opposing defense easier, it makes it hard to get in a rhythm, and it puts MORE pressure on the offense to be perfect. They can't afford to have a three and out or they won't see the ball again for a half hour.

See 2014 and 2016 for how effective this approach is.

It has been a continuing trend of slow starts vs. better teams.Coaches don’t have players ready to play,although players are trained professionals and should always be ready to go.Players are nervous and not executing,coaches have terrible game plans and this needs to stop, or constant mediocrity will continue.

 

[Ken]

It has been a continuing trend of slow starts vs. better teams.Coaches don’t have players ready to play,although players are trained professionals and should always be ready to go.Players are nervous and not executing,coaches have terrible game plans and this needs to stop, or constant mediocrity will continue.

We were winning 7-3 in the first quarter vs the Rams...the game in question.

 

[Vtwin]

the fact is that the defense was struggling, but the way its stated is that the offense hung them to dry. where the fact is the defense sucked that day. one could argue the defense hung the offense to dry. this doesn't mean I am dismissing offensive struggles across the board. that was the game that Collins sacked Dak...figure that one out. Dak, OL, RBs all struggled and of course we ran the Garrett/Linehan offense. Rams first drive they spent 6 minutes and just scored a field goal, but it was sign of things to come. they rushed for 38 yards on that drive, with not much success passing.

the offense actually took the lead on next drive and we were up 7-3. only taking less than 4 minutes.
Next drive, they spent 8 minutes and drove down, rushing for 48 yards.. scored another field goal and we were still up 7-6..that's 86 yards two drives and they already had a 13 minutes to 4 minutes time advantage. I knew right there that this game was going to go their way and they are having their way with our defensive front.

next drive we stalled. then they got the ball. another 4.5 minute drive, rushing for 28 yards. scoring on a run. ....they were over 110 yards rushing already, in the first half, on three drives.......

we had no chance that day, unless the offense scored every possession and we could run the ball. and we couldn't run the ball. at that point we had rushed 6 times for 11 yards, and Dak was 4/5 for 68 yards.....it was sign of things to come.

3rd possession of the half, the rams ran the ball again, for 48 yards. and scored again

so rams had 4 possessions and scored on each possession. we had three possession and scored on one..

you may want to put the onus on offense and expecting them to have been spactacular to keep up with rams in a high scoring game. facts are the offense didn't play great, but they didn't play bad neither. the problem was the defense played bad. really bad....when you give up 252 yards rushing, you have had a really really really bad day.

btw, garrett/linehan. they rushed 5 out of 7 times on first downs....no balance and given we couldn't run, we were in 2nd and long all day.

The offense didn't have to be spectacular. They just had to be better then five straight drives totaling 66 yards, taking only 7 minutes off the clock and all ending in punts.

The offense sucked just as bad as the defense.

 

[Cboyfan4ever]

We were winning 7-3 in the first quarter vs the Rams...the game in question.

Overall, in general.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

The offense didn't have to be spectacular. They just had to be better then five straight drives totaling 66 yards, taking only 7 minutes off the clock and all ending in punts.

The offense sucked just as bad as the defense.

yes, it was bad all around. its rare that a loss can be put on a single cause, but some carry more weight that others.... lets not forget the horrible horrible coaching.

 

[Ken]

The offense didn't have to be spectacular. They just had to be better then five straight drives totaling 66 yards, taking only 7 minutes off the clock and all ending in punts.

The offense sucked just as bad as the defense.

In no world would anyone, in their right mind, ever say that 300 yards and 3 tds are equally as bad as a defense that gave up almost 300 yards rushing.

Yes, the offense wasn't great, they were only ok. Not as bad as a defense that got shredded.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

I agree.

Some can't understand the concept of a team game, they believe (when convenient) that the qb is the be all/end all for whether a team wins or loses. They believe that if they don't pull out miracles every time that they somehow are the worst qb in the league. When they do pull out miracles, it was because of everyone else or inferior competition, however.

While it is a team game, you can still assess a player.

So you love Dak and other people not so much. Why do you and a few others feel so offended...so personally hurt by it...that you have to insult back?

I happen to disagree with anyone who says Dak destroyed the Cowboys. I also disagree with anyone who says we can't win with him.

However....I agree with Kurt Warner....he's got some issues that need pointed out. I also don't like the contract very much....same way I feel about Zeke's.

I just don't think we should insult each other about it.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

yes, it was bad all around. its rare that a loss can be put on a single cause, but some carry more weight that others.... lets not forget the horrible horrible coaching.

The coaching is probably the single most infuriating part of last year.

Running Zeke (or even Tony for that matter) 3 straight delayed handoff up the clogged middle, then claim the run game isn't working and pass the rest of the game?

It is either incompetence or sabotage.

 

[Mr Cowboy]

Reading the title of this thread tells me how stupid this board has become!

 

[Ken]

While it is a team game, you can still assess a player.

So you love Dak and other people not so much. Why do you and a few others feel so offended...so personally hurt by it...that you have to insult back?

I happen to disagree with anyone who says Dak destroyed the Cowboys. I also disagree with anyone who says we can't win with him.

However....I agree with Kurt Warner....he's got some issues that need pointed out. I also don't like the contract very much....same way I feel about Zeke's.

I just don't think we should insult each other about it.

Nothing insulting to anyone in my post you quoted.

I will blame Dak when it is warranted. That Rams game was not it.

Kurt Warner never said Dak can't read a defense. I know that may be hard for some to decipher because people with agenda's translated "Dak isn't the only qb who struggles with this, it is rampant around the league" [paraphrased]

Go look at the Chiefs playoff loss breakdown by Warner with Mahomes...yes....MVP/Greatest QB ever/ELITE Mahomes struggled against the same defense. The difference? Dak didn't run around, spinning around taking horrible sacks to lose a huge game for his team.

 

[Ken]

Reading the title of this thread tells me how stupid this board has become!

I think this every time I see this and other horrible takes by Sound Byte Analysts.