Dak has ruined this team

[Vtwin]

In no world would anyone, in their right mind, ever say that 300 yards and 3 tds are equally as bad as a defense that gave up almost 300 yards rushing.

Yes, the offense wasn't great, they were only ok. Not as bad as a defense that got shredded.

Disagree.
In the world that goes a bit deeper than evaluating strictly from the box score one could certainly make a very strong case that the offense sucked, as well as the defense.

Five straight drives, 13ish yards per drive. Under 1.5 minutes per drive, 0 points. All while the game was very much in reach.

You realize that if the offense steps up, it takes the pressure of the defense, keeps the opposing offense off the field which cuts down on those final box score totals?

See 2014 and 2016 for reference.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Disagree.
In the world that goes a bit deeper than evaluating strictly from the box score one could certainly make a very strong case that the offense sucked, as well as the defense.

Five straight drives, 13ish yards per drive. Under 1.5 minutes per drive, 0 points. All while the game was very much in reach.

You realize that if the offense steps up, it takes the pressure of the defense, keeps the opposing offense off the field which cuts down on those final box score totals?

See 2014 and 2016 for reference.

both sides sucked. we could say the same thing about defense. if defense steps up and takes pressure off the offense, then the game would be different.

I kind of did a break down of first few series. the defense looked like it was struggling from get go, when after 3 drives it had already given up 110 yards.... and TOP was 13 minutes for Rams....offense can't help that. yes, they could hold the ball longer to balance TOP, but they missed on one drive initially, when they went three an out.....that's shouldn't just cause the team to collapse, unless expectations are that the offense scores every drive. because the defense gave up a score every drive.

 

[Ken]

Disagree.
In the world that goes a bit deeper than evaluating strictly from the box score one could certainly make a very strong case that the offense sucked, as well as the defense.

Five straight drives, 13ish yards per drive. Under 1.5 minutes per drive, 0 points. All while the game was very much in reach.

You realize that if the offense steps up, it takes the pressure of the defense, keeps the opposing offense off the field which cuts down on those final box score totals?

See 2014 and 2016 for reference.

This is football 101. Control the clock and run the football = win. Parcells was the master at it. Shorten the game and put more pressure on the other team's defense.

Perhaps if the highest paid RB in the league averaged more than 2.7 ypc, we could have extended drives? Perhaps if Dak didn't have 3 drops in that game, we extend drives?

Nah...Dak's fault.

 

[Captain-Crash]

maybe if the master dak would quit changing run plays to pass. oh but be positive, master dak thinks he's elite.

Nah, Zeke's fault his back broke carrying the dak.

 

[dckid]

Think about all that we’ve given up for this teams buy in with him

-cap hell for the next decade

-losing out on good players and free agents

-he’s about to get his second coach fired next year

-the 2016 decision to go with him over Romo leading to a first round exit

-squandering the best cowboys team in 20 years with another first round exit due to poor qb play

-cutting or trading players who don’t get along with Dak or we just can’t simply afford them anymore


Think about the following qb option we had the last 2 years

1. Tom Brady
2. Aaron Rodgers
3. Russell Wilson
4. Dashaun Watson
5. Matt Stafford


And Dak makes more money than all of them. I know this isn’t all predicated on Dak but it’s kind of hard not to feel that we’ve been cheated out of something since we signed him to this ridiculous deal

There was not a bigger anti-Dak ( do not sign him) guy then me.
The issue is the front office as it always is.
-There is no cap hell, as all of it can be kicked down the road, the cap rises over 10 million a year since 2011, look it up.
-This team was not signing any free agents when Dak was making 500K a year.
-Coaching problems go all the way back to Spring owner's meetings in 1994. Jerry says 500 coaches could take the Cowboys to a SB.
-Since the last SB we have had good teams in 2007,2009,2014,2018 & 2021- To me 2007 was far and away the best team, followed by 2009 & 2014.
-Dak is an average QB, always has been always will be. Not a world beater, in the same league as Jimmy G, Cousins type, Goff, Wentz.These guys need everything to go right and they can bus drive their way to playoff success. They are not elite, never will be. The mistake was the Cowboys like usual not realizing that you don't overpay a good QB.
The dumbest part was they saw it unfold infront of their own eyes.
-Minnesota overpays Cousins, Eagles pay Wentz, Niners pay Jimmy G, Rams overpay Goff. All of these contracts are terrible and the team regrets from day1, on a similar not the Ravens had to hold their nose and play Flacco but at least they won a SB.



This is a systemic issue from the beginning. The FO is basically using a fax machine while the league has moved to gig ethernet wifi. They are overmatched, league gets younger smarter, more innovative , less risk averse.
This ownership group just doesn't even understand what the other teams are doing. Its like ignorance is bliss.
How do you teach Charlie Munger what Bitcoin is? Warren Buffett never understood Apple, Amazon, Microsoft. At least Buffett and Munger are geniuses. Now imagine teaching a homeless idiot the same things I listed above.
It's pointless, this team will do what it does until we have a change up top. There is no hope for this organization. They thing they know it all but really the Emperor has no clothes.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

maybe if the master dak would quit changing run plays to pass. oh but be positive, master dak thinks he's elite.

Nah, Zeke's fault his back broke carrying the dak.

this is a new one

 

[phildadon86]

What success?Like the last 26 yrs?

I forgot all about how Dak is the one who failed the Dallas Cowboys for 26 years. Remind me again. How old is Dak? 28? So he was suiting up at 2 years old? I must have missed it.

 

[Cboyfan4ever]

I forgot all about how Dak is the one who failed the Dallas Cowboys for 26 years. Remind me again. How old is Dak? 28? So he was suiting up at 2 years old? I must have missed it.

More of a general statement about team success, not Dak, but he really hasn’t helped w/ success either although not all his fault for sure.

 

[Vtwin]

both sides sucked. we could say the same thing about defense. if defense steps up and takes pressure off the offense, then the game would be different.

I kind of did a break down of first few series. the defense looked like it was struggling from get go, when after 3 drives it had already given up 110 yards.... and TOP was 13 minutes for Rams....offense can't help that. yes, they could hold the ball longer to balance TOP, but they missed on one drive initially, when they went three an out.....that's shouldn't just cause the team to collapse, unless expectations are that the offense scores every drive. because the defense gave up a score every drive.

I don't understand how you can only reference one drive initially and not mention the subsequent 3 drives that were equally ineffective. Two of which were three and outs. Technically one was 4 and out due to a penalty but you get the drift.

After the Rams first three drives the score was 13-7. The offense could have gotten their crap together and put together a nice drive ending in a score and suddenly the TOP is more balanced, We have the lead, the defense gets a breather and the Rams offense is denied the opportunity to build on their TOP advantage and to extend their lead. A couple drives like that could cost the Rams a possession. As it is both teams had essentially the same number of offensive opportunities.

I am not blaming the offense entirely and I'm not defending the defense.

I'm just saying the offense, the acknowledged strength of the team, had every opportunity to flex that strength and they failed miserably until too little too late time.

The stats back this up.

 

[Vtwin]

This is football 101. Control the clock and run the football = win. Parcells was the master at it. Shorten the game and put more pressure on the other team's defense.

Perhaps if the highest paid RB in the league averaged more than 2.7 ypc, we could have extended drives? Perhaps if Dak didn't have 3 drops in that game, we extend drives?

Nah...Dak's fault.

Perhaps if the Rams had even a little fear of the passing game they would have not been able to focus on the running game.

Take away a team's strength and make them beat you without it. Football 101, Belichick is great at it. The Rams executed it very well in that game.


Nah....... Zeke's fault.....

 

[Ken]

Perhaps if the Rams had even a little fear of the passing game they would have not been able to focus on the running game.

Take away a team's strength and make them beat you without it. Football 101, Belichick is great at it. The Rams executed it very well in that game.


Nah....... Zeke's fault.....

Nah.....they had fear. Just watching the game again, Dak started 5/5 70 yards and TD.. Ironically, his first incompletion came when a guy name Fowler destroy a guy named Collins and almost sacked Dak.

Just thru the first quarter, they weren't stacking the box when it wasn't an obvious run play, like we tend to do.

 

[jnday]

Do me a favor...what is the winning percentage of a team that gave up 250 or more yards rushing. Probably near 0.

Until you understand that simple fact, there is no use continuing this conversation.

If the offense would stay on the field and make some time consuming drives, the defense would not be exhausted. 250+ yards rushing comes from a gassed defense that has spent entirely too much time on the field. Understanding the reasons why a defense gives up 250+ yards rushing goes beyond a bad rushing defense. Until you understand that, the conversation has ended.

 

[jnday]

we don't care that he struggles against the good teams, we're just happy dak shines against the bad teams. That's something, so if he struggles against bad teams we would really know he sucks. he's just average which is good. average is good.

Those Dak lovers are starting to come out of the closet these last few days. With the exception of a couple of posters that are Dak fans, the rest has been very quite after the embarrassing exit from the playoffs. They are hoping that real Cowboy fans have forgot about Dak’s total collapse last season and the playoffs. Surprise ,surprise , the memories are still there.

 

[jnday]

actually, the rams ran on the cowboys at will to the tune of 252 yards. controlled the clock and the ball with their running and then forced cowboys into a passing game, in which case we played right into their hands. despite all of that, 4th quarter, the score was within 8 points with half the quarter to go. the defense had a chance to make a stop, twice and they failed both times. with 2:00 minutes to go, they ran the ball for 25 yards, including an 11 yard run to Goff of all people. start of 4th quarter, the defense gave up an 8 minute drive and a score.....giving up 40 yards.....

that was a defensive collapse if we had to pick one area that screwed up.

Of course the defense collapsed. They stayed on the field until they were so exhausted that a good high school team could have had success running the football. Three and outs and other short drives that only takes a minute or two off the clock and keeps the defense exhausted .

 

[jnday]

The coaching is probably the single most infuriating part of last year.

Running Zeke (or even Tony for that matter) 3 straight delayed handoff up the clogged middle, then claim the run game isn't working and pass the rest of the game?

It is either incompetence or sabotage.

There is very little difference between MM and Garrett. Some of the in-game decisions that MM makes are worse than Garrett’s typical horrible decisions.

 

[Jarntt]

OK, Dak Haters on the right side and Dak lovers on the left side. Now fight to the death so that the rest of us can actually talk Football without this stupid agenda sneaking it's way into every contract related thread...

 

[Vtwin]

Nah.....they had fear. Just watching the game again, Dak started 5/5 70 yards and TD.. Ironically, his first incompletion came when a guy name Fowler destroy a guy named Collins and almost sacked Dak.

Just thru the first quarter, they weren't stacking the box when it wasn't an obvious run play, like we tend to do.

Dak went 3-3 on the TD drive. After throwing the first 2 for 19 yards they ended up in a 4th and 1 which Zeke converted. They got 15 yards on a penalty then Dak hit Cooper on a short pass which Cooper took in for the 29 yard TD. Dak did an adequate job of driving the bus on that drive then fell asleep at the wheel for the next three drives. The Rams took the strength of the offense away and Dak couldn't beat them with his arm.

These are just some of the nuances you miss.

 

[jnday]

this is a new one

Crash wasn’t giving information that was top secret. It has been mentioned since Dak’s rookie season.

 

[Vtwin]

OK, Dak Haters on the right side and Dak lovers on the left side. Now fight to the death so that the rest of us can actually talk Football without this stupid agenda sneaking it's way into every contract related thread...

And here I am, stuck in the middle with you.

 

[jnday]

OK, Dak Haters on the right side and Dak lovers on the left side. Now fight to the death so that the rest of us can actually talk Football without this stupid agenda sneaking it's way into every contract related thread...

Where’s the fun in that?