Dak is good enough to win a Super Bowl--is Garrett?

[TwistedL0g1k]

False premise in thread title.

 

[cml750]

The jury is still out on Dak however the case is closed with Garrett and it is unanimous he will never win anything significant in this league.

 

[TwentyOne]

 

[Idgit]

Yes, Garrett is good enough. Even in the echo chamber here, we can admit it.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Yes, this old college linebacker who is now 25 pounds overweight said it. Here is why I believe so even is Dak is or is not the best QB in our division (heck, at this point it might be Foles).

The NFL and the NBA have something in common with wanting to create more offense over the years, and that is using analytics the way MLB has done. Ironically, the impact has been far greater in the NBA and NFL than MLB.

The key is creating ways to more efficiently create offense. It took a while for coaches in the NBA to break tradition, but the 3 point shot is simply more efficient than the 2 point shot. This realization have virtually made the lumbering big post players who sucked on offense obsolete in today's NBA. Even post players who were offensively elite in college are useless--see Jahlil Okafor for a great example. Why is this? Because with the emphasis on perimeter play, "bigs" have to be able to switch cleanly and effectively while playing defense away from the basket. Coaches scheme this way. The few teams that are holdouts, such as Memphis, have no shot of going deep into the playoffs. Teams with individual outlier players like the 76ers with Embiid can play both ways, and in a way they are the only team who can play the game from the inside out today in the NBA with any degree of success. For most teams, it doesn't make sense to play any other way. If you don't have 3 point shooters, you aren't winning in today's NBA.

How has this happened in the NFL? There have always been coaches with a unique twist on schemes--Bill Walsh on offense, Buddy Ryan on defense--but variations of the West Coast offense have proven to be the most efficient way for most teams to move the ball. Fans wanted to see more action within the football games. Pass minded coaches like Sid Gillman, Don Coryell, and Bill Walsh won championships with passing offenses. What I believe caught the attention of many observers was that Walsh's offensive philosophy was unlike previous air attacks that threw only in long-yardage situations or to surprise the opponent.

Why was Walsh so successful? He was lucky enough have a smart QB who was also accurate by the standards of his day. Walsh identified something: a strong, inaccurate arm that throws long incompletions accomplishes nothing (see Jeff George, Jay Cutler, etc.). The most important component of a QB's arsenal is the ability to accurately deliver short passes in the 5-15 yard range to WR's and RB's.

Dak doesn't have the strongest arm for sure, but he has become very accurate. He also has a running game to support him. An accurate passer in that 5-15 yard range plus a RB that can move the chains can win most games on any day with the proper scheme. And that is the kicker...

Who creates the schemes? The coaching staff, and the lead role is taken by the head coach. We don't have Bill Bellicheat, Bill Walsh, Sean Payton, or even Andy Reid. We have Jason Garrett. Garrett has one of the most accurate QB's in the NFL. He has one of the best, if not the best, RB in the NFL. He has a certifiable weapon in Cooper. The defense is very good; when healthy, the o-line is top three in the NFL.

We just watched in two weeks a Philadelphia team led by Nick Foles rip apart the Rams and Texans defenses with a worse running game, o-line, and defense. That team looks like they can beat anyone in the league right now, and are not as good as we are.

If Garrett can't get it done by next year, he must go. Period.

when your QB can't hit the side of the barn from 10 feet away, then you can only scheme so much. QB is the most important position on the team and we have avery average to below average QB...big heart. lots of desire and will, but average skills at best....when he constantly misses open recievers, when he over throws open recievers, when they have to contort to catch aball that's 3 feet behind them, when he hops passes, when their only chance to get a ball is to be 5 to 10 feet open, you can only do so much with that QB. I am not saying scheme doesn't need improvement, but winning with a handicapped (no offense) QB, is tough. next to impossible. you can't take a pile of craap and put apiece of parsley next ot it and call it filet mignon

Dak is not a superbowl QB. he will lead us to another miserable loss in the playoffs.... probably scoring 13 points and missing key throws...this is going to be life in the next 3 to 4 years unfortunately.

 

[rnr_honeybadger]

Players need to have something called "Talent" or else tell the Cowboys to come and sign me up to a 100 million contract and make me the Stud QB of our Cowboys.....I mean its all about coaching right???? lol

Right because Dak Prescott found some way to make it all the way through High School, College and the NFL draft with no talent. This is some weapons grade stupid drivel you are floating out there.

 

[rags747]

Right because Dak Prescott found some way to make it all the way through High School, College and the NFL draft with no talent. This is some weapons grade stupid drivel you are floating out there.

Well then what we have on our hands here is Tebow, at least Tebow won some college Championships.

 

[tyke1doe]

LOL people can just ignore what they see in game now and go by raw statistics and pretend Dak is accurate...

Don't believe your lying eyes.

 

[rnr_honeybadger]

Well then what we have on our hands here is Tebow, at least Tebow won some college Championships.

Okay and we picked a kid in the 4th round that went to Mississippi state, hardly a perennial powerhouse. Somehow wound up getting drafted. I guess he pulled the wool over everyones eyes there and has somehow managed to win games in the NFL but I guess that's wrong too because wins apparently can only be assigned to QB's not named Dak Prescott. The insane levels of hatred of this kid is staggering. It isn't even honest criticism, just blind hatred.

 

[Sarge]

Sure, if he gets to play a cruddy NFC East team every week but look at what happens when he’s faces stiffer competition. One and done in the playoffs

When did they move the Saints into the NFC East?

 

[tyke1doe]

So when Tony Romo couldn't get the Cowboys far in the playoffs it was because of the defense.
But when Dak gets the Cowboys to the playoffs, it's because of Dak and not the defense?

 

[tyke1doe]

Well, we'll get another opportunity to see if Dak is good enough to get us to the Super Bowl, moreover win it.
History says otherwise.
Let me mention a few names: Trent Dilfer, Jeff Hostetler, Brad Johnson, Jim McMahon.
Common denominator: average or inconsistent quarterbacks (McMahon was good but injury prone) who won Super Bowls because of historically great defenses.
If you want to add Joe Flacco to that list, I won't quibble. His defense was good but not as great as its predecessor.
Is the Cowboys defense great or on a historic level? No. But can they raise their level of play like the Flacco Ravens did?
We'll see. They have to because I just don't see Dak winning a shoot out with any team in the playoffs except, maybe, Trubisky's Bears.

 

[rags747]

Okay and we picked a kid in the 4th round that went to Mississippi state, hardly a perennial powerhouse. Somehow wound up getting drafted. I guess he pulled the wool over everyones eyes there and has somehow managed to win games in the NFL but I guess that's wrong too because wins apparently can only be assigned to QB's not named Dak Prescott. The insane levels of hatred of this kid is staggering. It isn't even honest criticism, just blind hatred.

Blind hatred is bs, feel free to read my history. I have said on multiple occasions that I love the kid, he is someone that you would welcome with open arms into your house and let him date your daughter, he was raised by his mom who did a kickazz job and he shows it, I understand fully why Jerry is ready to drop big cash on him, it’s because the kid is the All American dream and couldn’t be a better representative of the Dallas Cowboys, BUT I have real issues if he has enough talent to play Qb. Try hard never give up is off the charts, I rather have Mayfield.

 

[rnr_honeybadger]

Blind hatred is bs, feel free to read my history. I have said on multiple occasions that I love the kid, he is someone that you would welcome with open arms into your house and let him date your daughter, he was raised by his mom who did a kickazz job and he shows it, I understand fully why Jerry is ready to drop big cash on him, it’s because the kid is the All American dream and couldn’t be a better representative of the Dallas Cowboys, BUT I have real issues if he has enough talent to play Qb. Try hard never give up is off the charts, I rather have Mayfield.

I wasn't specifically referring to you. Feel free to take a gander at the posts referring to him as garbage or is mentally incapable. I personally would rather have Brady in his prime, isn't going to happen. Dak is what we have and he has done as good a job of stabilizing that position than anyone dreamed. In 2016 when Romo went down not a single person expected the Cowboys to win anything. In fact every one stated that it would be a repeat of 2015. Given the offensive system we run and the fact that he is just in his 3rd year running this when he really should be holding a clipboard on the sidelines is nothing short of remarkable.

 

[erod]

Yes, this old college linebacker who is now 25 pounds overweight said it. Here is why I believe so even is Dak is or is not the best QB in our division (heck, at this point it might be Foles).

The NFL and the NBA have something in common with wanting to create more offense over the years, and that is using analytics the way MLB has done. Ironically, the impact has been far greater in the NBA and NFL than MLB.

The key is creating ways to more efficiently create offense. It took a while for coaches in the NBA to break tradition, but the 3 point shot is simply more efficient than the 2 point shot. This realization have virtually made the lumbering big post players who sucked on offense obsolete in today's NBA. Even post players who were offensively elite in college are useless--see Jahlil Okafor for a great example. Why is this? Because with the emphasis on perimeter play, "bigs" have to be able to switch cleanly and effectively while playing defense away from the basket. Coaches scheme this way. The few teams that are holdouts, such as Memphis, have no shot of going deep into the playoffs. Teams with individual outlier players like the 76ers with Embiid can play both ways, and in a way they are the only team who can play the game from the inside out today in the NBA with any degree of success. For most teams, it doesn't make sense to play any other way. If you don't have 3 point shooters, you aren't winning in today's NBA.

How has this happened in the NFL? There have always been coaches with a unique twist on schemes--Bill Walsh on offense, Buddy Ryan on defense--but variations of the West Coast offense have proven to be the most efficient way for most teams to move the ball. Fans wanted to see more action within the football games. Pass minded coaches like Sid Gillman, Don Coryell, and Bill Walsh won championships with passing offenses. What I believe caught the attention of many observers was that Walsh's offensive philosophy was unlike previous air attacks that threw only in long-yardage situations or to surprise the opponent.

Why was Walsh so successful? He was lucky enough have a smart QB who was also accurate by the standards of his day. Walsh identified something: a strong, inaccurate arm that throws long incompletions accomplishes nothing (see Jeff George, Jay Cutler, etc.). The most important component of a QB's arsenal is the ability to accurately deliver short passes in the 5-15 yard range to WR's and RB's.

Dak doesn't have the strongest arm for sure, but he has become very accurate. He also has a running game to support him. An accurate passer in that 5-15 yard range plus a RB that can move the chains can win most games on any day with the proper scheme. And that is the kicker...

Who creates the schemes? The coaching staff, and the lead role is taken by the head coach. We don't have Bill Bellicheat, Bill Walsh, Sean Payton, or even Andy Reid. We have Jason Garrett. Garrett has one of the most accurate QB's in the NFL. He has one of the best, if not the best, RB in the NFL. He has a certifiable weapon in Cooper. The defense is very good; when healthy, the o-line is top three in the NFL.

We just watched in two weeks a Philadelphia team led by Nick Foles rip apart the Rams and Texans defenses with a worse running game, o-line, and defense. That team looks like they can beat anyone in the league right now, and are not as good as we are.

If Garrett can't get it done by next year, he must go. Period.

Holy crap. Lol

 

[yentl911]

This team isn’t going to win the SB and will be lucky to win one playoff game

Tap the brakes here guys our offense is just not good enough at the QB position - period

 

[erod]

Okay and we picked a kid in the 4th round that went to Mississippi state, hardly a perennial powerhouse. Somehow wound up getting drafted. I guess he pulled the wool over everyones eyes there and has somehow managed to win games in the NFL but I guess that's wrong too because wins apparently can only be assigned to QB's not named Dak Prescott. The insane levels of hatred of this kid is staggering. It isn't even honest criticism, just blind hatred.

Nobody hates Dak. Super, super guy.

But wins come in spite of him, but not because of him.

That's just plainly obvious to any objective person.

 

[rnr_honeybadger]

Nobody hates Dak. Super, super guy.

But wins come in spite of him, but not because of him.

That's just plainly obvious to any objective person.

It's a team sport, everyone contributes, even Dak. You can be loath to give him any credit but he had done what needed to be done to keep this thing moving forward.

 

[Hardline]

What has he won?

Games

 

[GMO415]

Dak is a "WINNER". He has 2 NFCE titles in his first three years. Its a fact!