Dak is good enough to win a Super Bowl--is Garrett?

Reid1boys

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McCarthy has one,,... he just got fired.
Tomlin has one.... and a HOF QB, WR, RB and whats he done since he inherited his team from Cowher?
Pederson got one, and with a young team is about to miss playoffs
Andy Reid has been coaching for a century and he has been in one
winning a sb doesnt automatically make a coach great, and not only great coaches win a sb.............In todays NFL you win a SB this year, and you suck a few years later.
 

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What exactly is wrong about that? Has Dak Prescott as the QB of the Dallas Cowboys not led the Cowboys to a winning record in each of his 3 seasons. He will be leading the Cowboys to a second playoff appearance in 3 years. I get that you hate the kid but at least be honest that these are things the Cowboys have achieved with Dak Prescott as QB.

No he has not led them. He has been dragged by the team.
He will not be leading them, they will be draggin him along...again.
And, you were wrong about the Cowboys not going in 2 out of 3 years at any point with Romo as the QB (2007 and 2009).
You were also wrong about the Cowboys winning a lot more in Romo's Prescott's 3 years (Prescott - 31 or 32 TEAM wins and 16 to 17 losses in his first 3 seasons as a starter; Romo - 32 TEAM wins and 13 losses in his first 3 seasons as a starter).

You don't understand the team concept, and you had facts completely wrong.
 

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Lmao Dak is good enough to win a SB

Check out P. Mannings stats when he "won" his last SB:

Regular season - 59% comp, 9 tds, 17 ints 67.9 rating.
Post season - 55% comp, 2 tds, 1 int. 75.4 rating.

This defense isn't up to the 2015 Broncos defense, but then again Dak's stats are much better than Peyton's were.

Of course stats aren't everything, but just saying that Dak doesn't have to play like Tom Brady for the team to win a SB.

We all know Dak has issues, but it's not totally out of reason to think "he" could win a SB..
 

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No he has not led them. He has been dragged by the team.
He will not be leading them, they will be draggin him along...again.

And if the win the SB who'll be hoisting the trophy on the field?

Dak. (And Jerry of course).

I don't give a rat's behind what his stats are if he can win one of the darn things:rolleyes:
 

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No he has not led them. He has been dragged by the team.
He will not be leading them, they will be draggin him along...again.
And, you were wrong about the Cowboys not going in 2 out of 3 years at any point with Romo as the QB (2007 and 2009).
You were also wrong about the Cowboys winning a lot more in Romo's Prescott's 3 years (Prescott - 31 or 32 TEAM wins and 16 to 17 losses in his first 3 seasons as a starter; Romo - 32 TEAM wins and 13 losses in his first 3 seasons as a starter).

You don't understand the team concept, and you had facts completely wrong.

So Dak in your mind lives in some alternate plane where he isn't part of the team and any wins are strictly because of the team and though he is part of the team it does not apply to Dak.
 

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And if the win the SB who'll be hoisting the trophy on the field?

Dak. (And Jerry of course).

I don't give a rat's behind what his stats are if he can win one of the darn things:rolleyes:

The team will be. The team will win, not "HE."

I don't get the concept of insulting the rest of the team to prop up one player as the one responsible for everything. Especially when that player does far less to contribute than so many of them.
 

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51 sacks 12 fumbles last 5 seed in passing offense in the NFL ...who the heck else we going to blame???

Santa???? LOL
P.S. I blame him when we win also as we win in-spite of him...
So he gets no credit when they win but all the blame when they lose. Thank you for going on record.
 

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So Dak in your mind lives in some alternate plane where he isn't part of the team and any wins are strictly because of the team and though he is part of the team it does not apply to Dak.

I suggest you take a reading course because that is not at all what I said.
 

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Yes, this old college linebacker who is now 25 pounds overweight said it. Here is why I believe so even is Dak is or is not the best QB in our division (heck, at this point it might be Foles).

The NFL and the NBA have something in common with wanting to create more offense over the years, and that is using analytics the way MLB has done. Ironically, the impact has been far greater in the NBA and NFL than MLB.

The key is creating ways to more efficiently create offense. It took a while for coaches in the NBA to break tradition, but the 3 point shot is simply more efficient than the 2 point shot. This realization have virtually made the lumbering big post players who sucked on offense obsolete in today's NBA. Even post players who were offensively elite in college are useless--see Jahlil Okafor for a great example. Why is this? Because with the emphasis on perimeter play, "bigs" have to be able to switch cleanly and effectively while playing defense away from the basket. Coaches scheme this way. The few teams that are holdouts, such as Memphis, have no shot of going deep into the playoffs. Teams with individual outlier players like the 76ers with Embiid can play both ways, and in a way they are the only team who can play the game from the inside out today in the NBA with any degree of success. For most teams, it doesn't make sense to play any other way. If you don't have 3 point shooters, you aren't winning in today's NBA.

How has this happened in the NFL? There have always been coaches with a unique twist on schemes--Bill Walsh on offense, Buddy Ryan on defense--but variations of the West Coast offense have proven to be the most efficient way for most teams to move the ball. Fans wanted to see more action within the football games. Pass minded coaches like Sid Gillman, Don Coryell, and Bill Walsh won championships with passing offenses. What I believe caught the attention of many observers was that Walsh's offensive philosophy was unlike previous air attacks that threw only in long-yardage situations or to surprise the opponent.

Why was Walsh so successful? He was lucky enough have a smart QB who was also accurate by the standards of his day. Walsh identified something: a strong, inaccurate arm that throws long incompletions accomplishes nothing (see Jeff George, Jay Cutler, etc.). The most important component of a QB's arsenal is the ability to accurately deliver short passes in the 5-15 yard range to WR's and RB's.

Dak doesn't have the strongest arm for sure, but he has become very accurate. He also has a running game to support him. An accurate passer in that 5-15 yard range plus a RB that can move the chains can win most games on any day with the proper scheme. And that is the kicker...

Who creates the schemes? The coaching staff, and the lead role is taken by the head coach. We don't have Bill Bellicheat, Bill Walsh, Sean Payton, or even Andy Reid. We have Jason Garrett. Garrett has one of the most accurate QB's in the NFL. He has one of the best, if not the best, RB in the NFL. He has a certifiable weapon in Cooper. The defense is very good; when healthy, the o-line is top three in the NFL.

We just watched in two weeks a Philadelphia team led by Nick Foles rip apart the Rams and Texans defenses with a worse running game, o-line, and defense. That team looks like they can beat anyone in the league right now, and are not as good as we are.

If Garrett can't get it done by next year, he must go. Period.

Aaron Rogers cant even win half his games this year. Does he suck or is he a consequence of the team and coaching around him?
 

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The team will be. The team will win, not "HE."

I don't get the concept of insulting the rest of the team to prop up one player as the one responsible for everything. Especially when that player does far less to contribute than so many of them.

Oh eventually the rest of the team will get hands on the trophy, but we all know the quarterback often gets too much credit for wins and too much blame for losses.

Dak's no exception. Trent Dilfer is a "Super Bowl winning quarterback". So is Mark Rypien, Brad Johnson, etc. Jim Plunkett is a "Two time SB winning quarterback".

If the Cowboys win one, Dak will be the same. Few remember Mannings pitiful performance in 2015 but lots remember he "won" the SB.

Just saying the quarterback is the most visible guy on the field most times and is who people remember...
 

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Oh eventually the rest of the team will get hands on the trophy, but we all know the quarterback often gets too much credit for wins and too much blame for losses.

Dak's no exception. Trent Dilfer is a "Super Bowl winning quarterback". So is Mark Rypien, Brad Johnson, etc. Jim Plunkett is a "Two time SB winning quarterback".

If the Cowboys win one, Dak will be the same. Few remember Mannings pitiful performance in 2015 but lots remember he "won" the SB.

Just saying the quarterback is the most visible guy on the field most times and is who people remember...

All of that is true. But I refuse to fall into that trap personally. I will judge a QB as a QB and a team as a team.
 

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As it should be, but the two are closely intertwined, since you can't have one without the other...
Well, yes, but that goes for all positions. You can have a good team without a good QB, and vice versa. A better team helps the QB, and a better QB helps the team, but they will often not be in alignment (good QB and good team). I believe we fall into the former camp.
 

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I don't believe Dak can win a SB because the rest of the team has to carry him. We have seen what happens when Zeke gets shut down and Dak is asked to move the offense. In the playoffs Dallas will play teams with equal talent accept at the QB position and when Dak is asked to put up some points I just don't see that happening. As good as the defense is the Dallas Cowboys have just one double digit win all season.
 

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Yes, this old college linebacker who is now 25 pounds overweight said it. Here is why I believe so even is Dak is or is not the best QB in our division (heck, at this point it might be Foles).

The NFL and the NBA have something in common with wanting to create more offense over the years, and that is using analytics the way MLB has done. Ironically, the impact has been far greater in the NBA and NFL than MLB.

The key is creating ways to more efficiently create offense. It took a while for coaches in the NBA to break tradition, but the 3 point shot is simply more efficient than the 2 point shot. This realization have virtually made the lumbering big post players who sucked on offense obsolete in today's NBA. Even post players who were offensively elite in college are useless--see Jahlil Okafor for a great example. Why is this? Because with the emphasis on perimeter play, "bigs" have to be able to switch cleanly and effectively while playing defense away from the basket. Coaches scheme this way. The few teams that are holdouts, such as Memphis, have no shot of going deep into the playoffs. Teams with individual outlier players like the 76ers with Embiid can play both ways, and in a way they are the only team who can play the game from the inside out today in the NBA with any degree of success. For most teams, it doesn't make sense to play any other way. If you don't have 3 point shooters, you aren't winning in today's NBA.

How has this happened in the NFL? There have always been coaches with a unique twist on schemes--Bill Walsh on offense, Buddy Ryan on defense--but variations of the West Coast offense have proven to be the most efficient way for most teams to move the ball. Fans wanted to see more action within the football games. Pass minded coaches like Sid Gillman, Don Coryell, and Bill Walsh won championships with passing offenses. What I believe caught the attention of many observers was that Walsh's offensive philosophy was unlike previous air attacks that threw only in long-yardage situations or to surprise the opponent.

Why was Walsh so successful? He was lucky enough have a smart QB who was also accurate by the standards of his day. Walsh identified something: a strong, inaccurate arm that throws long incompletions accomplishes nothing (see Jeff George, Jay Cutler, etc.). The most important component of a QB's arsenal is the ability to accurately deliver short passes in the 5-15 yard range to WR's and RB's.

Dak doesn't have the strongest arm for sure, but he has become very accurate. He also has a running game to support him. An accurate passer in that 5-15 yard range plus a RB that can move the chains can win most games on any day with the proper scheme. And that is the kicker...

Who creates the schemes? The coaching staff, and the lead role is taken by the head coach. We don't have Bill Bellicheat, Bill Walsh, Sean Payton, or even Andy Reid. We have Jason Garrett. Garrett has one of the most accurate QB's in the NFL. He has one of the best, if not the best, RB in the NFL. He has a certifiable weapon in Cooper. The defense is very good; when healthy, the o-line is top three in the NFL.

We just watched in two weeks a Philadelphia team led by Nick Foles rip apart the Rams and Texans defenses with a worse running game, o-line, and defense. That team looks like they can beat anyone in the league right now, and are not as good as we are.

If Garrett can't get it done by next year, he must go. Period.
I’m more worried about ole Scott Linehan and his play calling.
 

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So he hasn’t won crap?
what should he have won in 2 years, and only 1 playoff appearance lol you people are so amusing.
check out Rodgers playoff record since the SB win, not all that good.
It takes good team and coaches to win in playoffs and go to a SB, no one guy can do it.
 

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what should he have won in 2 years, and only 1 playoff appearance lol you people are so amusing.
check out Rodgers playoff record since the SB win, not all that good.
It takes good team and coaches to win in playoffs and go to a SB, no one guy can do it.

Again, what has he won? Rodgers has seen a couple championship games...
 
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