Dak is just a regular season stat QB nothing more

[Captain-Crash]

He had games where he was missing 4 starting offensive linemen and his best receiver named CD Lamb and still helped us win.

Patrick Mahomes is the elite of the elite. But how did he look when he was missing offensive linemen and had receivers out due to injury?

He was running for his life.

Give me the names of other "regular season stat" quarterbacks. Dak couldn't possibly be the first in history.

And tell me what NFL quarterbacks have success without weapons and good players on the offensive line and a system thats not effective?

That has never been done.

Facts and logic > feelings.

Missing a few players for a game isn’t the point. Every QB has injury weeks.
The question is what they look like when the stakes are high, not Week 7 in October.

Mahomes had a bad Super Bowl with a broken O-line… and then came back the next year and won another one. That’s the difference between elite and regular-season stat QBs.

Dak’s pattern is simple:

– Great numbers when the system is clean
– Sharp drop when the structure breaks
– Same playoff ceiling every year

You call it ‘facts and logic,’ but the fact is this:

When the lights get bright and the margins tighten, Dak turns into a completely different QB.
That’s why 10 years of stats haven’t translated into 10 years of postseason success.

Regular-season numbers don’t make a quarterback elite.
Changing outcomes does.
Dak hasn’t.

 

[CowboyFrog]

Put whatever QB you want on the other side of the ball.... when the defnese gives up 40+ points the odds are they gonna lose.. thats a fact no matter how you feel..ings. No QB has a "Good" "Decent" whatever record when his defense gives up 40+ its nliterally not a thing..

 

[Cowboy4evr]

Missing a few players for a game isn’t the point. Every QB has injury weeks.
The question is what they look like when the stakes are high, not Week 7 in October.

Mahomes had a bad Super Bowl with a broken O-line… and then came back the next year and won another one. That’s the difference between elite and regular-season stat QBs.

Dak’s pattern is simple:

– Great numbers when the system is clean
– Sharp drop when the structure breaks
– Same playoff ceiling every year

You call it ‘facts and logic,’ but the fact is this:

When the lights get bright and the margins tighten, Dak turns into a completely different QB.
That’s why 10 years of stats haven’t translated into 10 years of postseason success.

Regular-season numbers don’t make a quarterback elite.
Changing outcomes does.
Dak hasn’t.

Quarterbacks are only a part of the equation. I am watching the Big 12 and the SEC championship games. Big 12........defense won the game. SEC.......defense currently winning the game. Offense only hast to score points.

 

[Wangchung83]

No problem, thats cool.

So according to your logic, Trent Dilfer and Nick Foles had better careers and were better than Dan Marino and Jim Kelly because Foles and Dilfer won Superbowls and Kelly and Marino didn't.

According to your logic, Colin Kaepernick was a much better quarterback than Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson currently are, because Kaepernick did something they were never able to do. Kaepernick led his team to a Superbowl.

Jimmy Garoppolo is 4-0 vs Aaron Rodgers head to head. So obviously Garoppolo was a better quarterback than Aaron Rodgers.

Again according to your logic, everything i stated above is correct, right?

Dan Marino and Jim Kelly made it to Superbowl, nfc championship. Do you have problem with reading comprehension or is that you just have problem accepting reality?

 

[GINeric]

Missing a few players for a game isn’t the point. Every QB has injury weeks.
The question is what they look like when the stakes are high, not Week 7 in October.

Mahomes had a bad Super Bowl with a broken O-line… and then came back the next year and won another one. That’s the difference between elite and regular-season stat QBs.

Dak’s pattern is simple:

– Great numbers when the system is clean
– Sharp drop when the structure breaks
– Same playoff ceiling every year

You call it ‘facts and logic,’ but the fact is this:

When the lights get bright and the margins tighten, Dak turns into a completely different QB.
That’s why 10 years of stats haven’t translated into 10 years of postseason success.

Regular-season numbers don’t make a quarterback elite.
Changing outcomes does.
Dak hasn’t.

Eli Manning won two Superbowls. Dan Marino won zero. Why isn't Eli in the HOF yet?

You make some good points but you further backup the fact that teams win Superbowls not quarterbacks.

Teams win in the post season, not quarterbacks. You make very good points but you further support what im also saying.

 

[Arkyvarminter]

I've been fairly hard on Dak over the years but he has improved this year and to say he hasn't is just spewing hate..........

 

[GINeric]

I've been fairly hard on Dak over the years but he has improved this year and to say he hasn't is just spewing hate..........

This is definitely facts over emotions or feelings.

Men lie, women lie, numbers dont.

 

[GINeric]

Dan Marino and Jim Kelly made it to Superbowl, nfc championship. Do you have problem with reading comprehension or is that you just have problem accepting reality?

Ok made it to, and WON a Superbowl is two different things.

Trent Dilfer and Nick Foles WON Superbowls. So again, according to your logic, they were better quarterbacks than Marino and Kelly, correct?

Do you have a problem with reading because you keep dancing around the questions like Chris Brown.

 

[Captain-Crash]

Eli Manning won two Superbowls. Dan Marino won zero. Why isn't Eli in the HOF yet?

You make some good points but you further backup the fact that teams win Superbowls not quarterbacks.

Teams win in the post season, not quarterbacks. You make very good points but you further support what im also saying.

You’re proving my point without realizing it.
Teams win Super Bowls — absolutely.
But quarterbacks define a team’s ceiling.

Eli wasn’t elite week-to-week, but when the postseason came, he elevated above his norm and changed outcomes.
That’s why he has two rings despite inconsistent regular seasons.

Dak is the opposite:
He shines in the regular season and drops below his norm when the margins tighten.

That’s the entire discussion.

Nobody said QBs win alone.
But the great ones — even the inconsistent ones — have defining postseason moments where they lift the team. Dak hasn’t had that in 10 years.

That’s the difference between
a QB with rings and a QB with stats.
Facts > feelings.

 

[morat1959]

I honestly think the Dak haters don't watch other football games. It's embarrassing how delusional they are

Brother, Uncle, cousin, Jerry, MS ST fan or 5 #4 jerseys in the closet???? Fess up.

 

[Ranching]

Dak will forever be known as the stats regular season QB

When it matters against good teams and the playoffs he’s a total dud

/facts

Lol!!! Yeah, another Dak can't win under pressure thread....you're a genius...thanks for telling us something, we all know. It's always good to read something that makes you laugh.

 

[Flamma]

This is not a super bowl team. We haven't had a true contender since 2007. Maybe 2014. That's the first step. Putting a championship team on the field. Then complain about the QB. The other way around doesn't work.

 

[Ranching]

You’re proving my point without realizing it.
Teams win Super Bowls — absolutely.
But quarterbacks define a team’s ceiling.

Eli wasn’t elite week-to-week, but when the postseason came, he elevated above his norm and changed outcomes.
That’s why he has two rings despite inconsistent regular seasons.

Dak is the opposite:
He shines in the regular season and drops below his norm when the margins tighten.

That’s the entire discussion.

Nobody said QBs win alone.
But the great ones — even the inconsistent ones — have defining postseason moments where they lift the team. Dak hasn’t had that in 10 years.

That’s the difference between
a QB with rings and a QB with stats.
Facts > feelings.

Yep, another Dan Marino....can you believe he can't win a SB....a game that Trent Dilfer won....Flacco? Yeah, they had great defenses, but so what.....he folds under pressure, trying to hard to be great, not let his team down.....I've said for years, he needs a coach by his side, in his ear, making adjustments and keeping him calm....he needs this every game....I really think that would help him, why they don't do it???? I don't get it...even a little HS coach like me can see it.

 

[OGSixshooter]

You keep repeating ‘better teams’ and ‘better coaching’ like that automatically absolves the QB.

But here’s the part you keep skipping:
Elite quarterbacks elevate what they have. Good quarterbacks match what they have.

Dak has had multiple top-5 offenses, top-5 defenses, top-3 offensive lines, All-Pro weapons, and 12-win rosters.

When Purdy got a great team, he went on a run.
When Stafford finally got a good team, he went on a run.
When Dak gets one? He melts at the exact same stage — repeatedly.

Saying Purdy had ‘better everything’ still proves my point:
If Dak needs Shanahan-level coaching, a 49ers-tier defense, and All-Pro weapons at every level just to keep up… that means he’s not the guy who elevates. He’s the guy who requires elevation.

That’s not emotional. That’s the decade-long pattern.

Bloodbath...my goodness....mercy Sir! Mercy!

 

[OGSixshooter]

Eli Manning won two Superbowls. Dan Marino won zero. Why isn't Eli in the HOF yet?

You make some good points but you further backup the fact that teams win Superbowls not quarterbacks.

Teams win in the post season, not quarterbacks. You make very good points but you further support what im also saying.

Eli Manning was a top QB coming out of college. He also was a better passer from the jump than Dak...the main job of a QB.

The other thing about Eli is that...he won 3 road games to get to the SB. If Dak did that to 3 non-playoff teams, you guys throw him a parade. He did it to 3 playoff teams to get to the SB - and then beat the GOAT.

Then he did it again to the greatest team of all time.

So...as much as I don't love Eli...Dak doesn't belong in the same BREATH. He's not even Lamar. He's the best of the above average...but he's not elite.

 

[Ranching]

I honestly think the Dak haters don't watch other football games. It's embarrassing how delusional they are

You're probably right..lol
Some do make some good points, but its funny and discredits them when they post it every other minute....crap like that has really hurt this forum. Im my opinion

 

[OGSixshooter]

You're probably right..lol
Some do make some good points, but its funny and discredits them when they post it every other minute....crap like that has really hurt this forum. Im my opinion

I don't "hate" Dak...but I do want better for my team. Is that wrong? Is it wrong that people were campaigning for him to be MVP? No...doesn't bother me one bit. Campaign on...I'll just state my opinion.

 

[Captain-Crash]

Yep, another Dan Marino....can you believe he can't win a SB....a game that Trent Dilfer won....Flacco? Yeah, they had great defenses, but so what.....he folds under pressure, trying to hard to be great, not let his team down.....I've said for years, he needs a coach by his side, in his ear, making adjustments and keeping him calm....he needs this every game....I really think that would help him, why they don't do it???? I don't get it...even a little HS coach like me can see it.

You’re actually right about one thing — Dak does need a coach constantly in his ear.
And that’s exactly the difference between him and guys like Marino, or even Dilfer/Flacco.

Marino didn’t win a ring, but he didn’t fold — he just never had the roster.
Dilfer and Flacco weren’t elite, but when the moment came, they stayed calm, didn’t implode, and let the team do its job.

Dak has the opposite issue:
when the pressure hits, the mechanics crack, the decision-making gets frantic, and he forces throws he doesn’t need to.

If your QB needs someone babysitting him every snap just to stay composed,
that’s not a championship quarterback — that’s a quarterback with a ceiling.

You’re not wrong… you’re actually describing the exact limitation people are pointing out.

 

[OGSixshooter]

You’re actually right about one thing — Dak does need a coach constantly in his ear.
And that’s exactly the difference between him and guys like Marino, or even Dilfer/Flacco.

Marino didn’t win a ring, but he didn’t fold — he just never had the roster.
Dilfer and Flacco weren’t elite, but when the moment came, they stayed calm, didn’t implode, and let the team do its job.

Dak has the opposite issue:
when the pressure hits, the mechanics crack, the decision-making gets frantic, and he forces throws he doesn’t need to.

If your QB needs someone babysitting him every snap just to stay composed,
that’s not a championship quarterback — that’s a quarterback with a ceiling.

You’re not wrong… you’re actually describing the exact limitation people are pointing out.

Funny, the team doesn't deserve a better QB...we just need more resources to prop him up. This is faith in one man.

Belichick had the GOAT...and tried to replace him constantly. I don't get this deference to a guy who has consistently underperformed in the biggest games.

If he did what Mahomes did on Thanksgiving - 4TDs, 0 Ints - and we lose, oh well. But nah...Dak disintegrates and somehow this should merit more investment.

 

[Ranching]

I don't "hate" Dak...but I do want better for my team. Is that wrong? Is it wrong that people were campaigning for him to be MVP? No...doesn't bother me one bit. Campaign on...I'll just state my opinion.

I want what you want, and you don't start threads about it every 10 minutes, like some do. I know Dak is bad under pressure, I also know he'll be here next year....i just want him to improve, the staff to coach him up and not be afraid too and hope he and all the whiners can, finally pull that stick from out of their backside