Dak is not a Franchise QB

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Romo never excelled at timing routes and the coaching staff never bothered to develop that skill. Dallas' coaching staff expects players to develop themselves.

Dak needs to figure out how to make his reads quicker or take off running sooner.

Brice Butler: "The coaches don't coach"
 

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As I said after the game, I don't think the oline was that bad.

Dak just held the ball too long, and wasn't productively using that time while he held the ball.
Yuuuuppppppp
Ya, we are much better with scrubs Rush or White in the game instead.
we might actually be better off with rush or white. If DAk goes another 5 to 6 series without scoring and not being able to move the ball. Going with white or Rush may lead to a high draft pick in that case we can may be able to convince tua tulatilova from Alabama to quit school and come play for the Dallas cowboys and become a legend.
 

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His blocking hasn’t been excellent lately.

He lead the league in rushing with a great oline. Don’t forget Demarco lead the league with almost the same oline. He hasn’t looked explosive in quite some time now.

Since when did Murray gain the majority of his yardage on first down to the tune of over 1000 yards and led the league in yardage against stacked boxes?

Murray had Romo and Romo also had the power to call run-pass options... Even the stacked boxes of Murray were different, because the safeties and DB couldn’t cheat with Romo as QB.

No defense is scared of Dak..
 

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Since when did Murray gain the majority of his yardage on first down to the tune of over 1000 yards and led the league in yardage against stacked boxes?

Murray had Romo and Romo also had the power to call run-pass options... Even the stacked boxes of Murray were different, because the safeties and DB couldn’t cheat with Romo as QB.

No defense is scared of Dak..
So you’re saying boxes were stacked in 2016? Not buying that at all. Dak was playing well and defenses were scared of Dez and Witten. Only Cowboy fans and Jerry hold on to what guys did two years ago. I’m worried about the present not the past.

Cowboys haven’t had a problem running the ball before Zeke or when he was on suspension.
 

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Here’s some comments on another supposed franchise QB. Just because you get one doesn’t mean you’ll win games or be successful.

Vikings defenders took note. "As the game goes on, you have to bring the pressure on him," defender Danielle Hunter told reportersafter the game. "You see that he's starting to get scared." The final stats back Hunter's assessment up. Garoppolo completed just 15-of-33 passes for 261 yards, one touchdown and three interceptions for the afternoon, enduring three sacks (one by Hunter) and nine hits from defenders.
 

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So you’re saying boxes were stacked in 2016? Not buying that at all. Dak was playing well and defenses were scared of Dez and Witten. Only Cowboy fans and Jerry hold on to what guys did two years ago. I’m worried about the present not the past.

Cowboys haven’t had a problem running the ball before Zeke or when he was on suspension.

1. Wrong... Zeke was number 1 rookie year against stacked boxes and gained over 1000 of his yards in first down, meaning he was putting Dak in third and short and making it incredibly easy for Linehan. Now that Dak is playing with down and distance, he looks like a scrub as expected, because he actually has to throw the ball from the pocket.

https://thelandryhat.com/2017/01/28/ezekiel-elliott-big-plays-stacked-fronts/

2. Cowboys couldn’t put the ball in the end-zone without Zeke. Your claim they didn’t have trouble running the ball is belied by the fact, Morris only scored 1 time all year rushing the ball.
 

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Here’s some comments on another supposed franchise QB. Just because you get one doesn’t mean you’ll win games or be successful.

Vikings defenders took note. "As the game goes on, you have to bring the pressure on him," defender Danielle Hunter told reportersafter the game. "You see that he's starting to get scared." The final stats back Hunter's assessment up. Garoppolo completed just 15-of-33 passes for 261 yards, one touchdown and three interceptions for the afternoon, enduring three sacks (one by Hunter) and nine hits from defenders.

You mean pressure makes a QB ansy, especially against an elite defense?

The problem with Dak is he gets ansy when their is no pressure...
 

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Year one for dak was one of euphoria. Year two cancelled out year one. First game of year three is a harbinger of who dak really is. Back to the drawing board.

Linehan simplified the offense for Dak year 1 and like tripled the amount of play-action from the year with Romo.. teams eventually adjusted and as I said, expecting Zeke to sustain such high numbers on first down every year is absurd.
 

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You mean pressure makes a QB ansy, especially against an elite defense?

The problem with Dak is he gets ansy when their is no pressure...

This is true. But this is in games where there is a lot of pressure.

Honestly, I swear Dak handled pressure better the first year and a half of his career. That Atlanta game may have ruined him.

I thought he could overcome it. But he may be permanently broken. Having garbage coaches doesn’t help a young player on a psychological level either.
 

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True but it’s not realistic. Fans bases are frustrated with some of those “franchise” QBs just like we are with Dak but for different reasons. Some hurt too much (Luck), turn it over too much (Ben/Eli), cracks under pressure (Matt Ryan), not accurate, etc.

Point was, most starting QB’s in the league are just better or have a higher ceiling than Dak and that sucks for us cowboys fans.
That is all.
 

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Yuuuuppppppp

we might actually be better off with rush or white. If DAk goes another 5 to 6 series without scoring and not being able to move the ball. Going with white or Rush may lead to a high draft pick in that case we can may be able to convince tua tulatilova from Alabama to quit school and come play for the Dallas cowboys and become a legend.
I think he is only a sophomore and needs another year to be eligible. I don't think he has been out of high school for 3 years.
 

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It’s hard to argue with the point being relayed.

Dak has not been anticipating well at all. And he has not been releasing the ball quick enough.

What I don’t understand is, he was better at this earlier in his career. He wasn’t perfect by any means, but his accuracy and anticipation were better during his rookie season and first half of last year.

His play has fallen off a cliff since Atlanta.

The question is, are the reasons his play has fallen off, correctable? I used to think they were. But I am now second guessing that unless I start to see progress again.


I noticed that too in his rookie year. Its not a fluke. Dak did anticipate and made the throws necessary to win. In preseason in his rookie year he hit receivers in stride. Thus Im blaming the coaches for messing him up. They somehow are wanting him to be like a pocket passer with timing routes - just like Aikman. Well Dak isn't Aikman. So why not run plays that utilizes Dak's strength?
 

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1. Wrong... Zeke was number 1 rookie year against stacked boxes and gained over 1000 of his yards in first down, meaning he was putting Dak in third and short and making it incredibly easy for Linehan. Now that Dak is playing with down and distance, he looks like a scrub as expected, because he actually has to throw the ball from the pocket.

https://thelandryhat.com/2017/01/28/ezekiel-elliott-big-plays-stacked-fronts/

2. Cowboys couldn’t put the ball in the end-zone without Zeke. Your claim they didn’t have trouble running the ball is belied by the fact, Morris only scored 1 time all year rushing the ball.
Ok he did well against stacked boxes with the BEST oline in the league.

Did Zeke excel on first down last season, b/c I don't really care what he did two years ago. He didn't see a ton of stacked boxes against the Panthers so why didn't he do more? He's a top 5 pick so I expect him to excel just about every game.
 
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