Dak is not the guy

[Nav22]

Right...but people are STILL...missing my point. Dak doesn't help this bad team (which does NOT absolve him from his own criticism! )...why worry so much about defending him...or wanna even keep him? We've seen a far inferior (and less costly) qb get nearly the same results (especially final results).

Having him here and paying so much for him just doesn't matter. Yet we squabble incessantly over it.

You'd rather have a bad team with no QB than a bad team with a QB?

Why?

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

You'd rather have a bad team with no QB than a bad team with a QB?

Why?

Not exactly what I am saying...but well..okay.

You seem to be suggesting we have a great QB? With a huge salary? On a bad team? What does it get us?

Aside form less money for everything else and mediocre draft position.

It's not exactly a "rather". I'm not here to win anything like so many others are. Just a sincere point of discussion.
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What does Dak get us. Not about liking him, hating him, defending him. Try to set aside your emotions. and Dak crusade.

What does Dak do for this team? 12 win seasons? Then what? Bounced on our butt. If Dak contributes to 12 win seasons he contributes to THAT too.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

With a defense as good as Tampa Bay's was that year, the offense did not have to score all that much to win. They ran the ball a lot and did not ask Johnson to make a lot of high risk throws. They scored on a few drives and let the defense do the rest.

This is not devaluing QB, it's showing that it takes a team to win. Brad Johnson had a very good season leading the Bucs to the SB win because he did not have to carry the team on his back all by himself. Yes, he contributed. No, he was not the reason they won it all.

This is what I have been trying to tell Dak haters around here. He does not need to be a Hall of Fame level QB to win a Super Bowl. He needs to be on a Super Bowl caliber team. Because throughout NFL history many QB's of Dak's talent level have won titles and lesser QB's than Dak have reached Super Bowls and lost (hello Stan Humphries, Chris Chandler, Kerry Collins, Jake Delhomme, Donovan McNabb, Matt Hasselbeck, and Rex Grossman to name a few).

I never said he won it by himself. Why are you arguing that?

 

[CT Dal Fan]

I never said he won it by himself. Why are you arguing that?

Sorry wasn't arguing that, just saying that Tampa Bay defense was next level. Brad Johnson did not have to do a lot except not turn it over.

 

[CowboyFrog]

I didn't say you don't need a decent coach.
I dont think Schotty is any good though.

Tom Brady proved he made Belichick. Went to Tampa and won a SB

that Tampa was highly thought of at every position BUT QB when he went there though...thats not the Cowboys, Tom Brady doesnt make this team a winner because he cant stop the run either... I have seen great teams take average QB's to the SB several times, never seen a Great QB take an average team to a SB...

 

[Nav22]

Not exactly what I am saying...but well..okay.

You seem to be suggesting we have a great QB? With a huge salary? On a bad team? What does it get us?

Aside form less money for everything else and mediocre draft position.

It's not exactly a "rather". I'm not here to win anything like so many others are. Just a sincere point of discussion.
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What does Dak get us. Not about liking him, hating him, defending him. Try to set aside your emotions. and Dak crusade.

What does Dak do for this team? 12 win seasons? Then what? Bounced on our butt. If Dak contributes to 12 win seasons he contributes to THAT too.

1) I didn't say he was "great", I literally said "good."

2) "What does Dak get us" is a weird question because you're acting like the QB alone is responsible for the entire team's success or failure.

I'll answer your question with a few more questions.

What does CeeDee Lamb get us?
What does Micah Parsons get us?
What does Tyler Smith get us?
What does Brandon Aubrey get us?

Why don't we trade all of our best players since we haven't won anything with any of them?????

3) I never said Dak plays no role in our playoff failures. He choked like a dog the last time we saw him in the playoffs.

4) I have no "Dak crusade," I want the Cowboys to have the best players possible. If Joe Milton was lighting it up in camp and these preseason games, I'd be totally in favor of trading Dak and rolling with the youngster.

It is YOU who apparently doesn't want the Cowboys to have the best players possible. You want Dak gone without a good replacement.

We traded a pick for Trey Lance. Bust.
We traded a pick for Joe Milton. Bust.

So you just want us to tank? That's your plan?

You trust Jerry and Stephen to find the next franchise QB? Even after they've failed miserably at finding a QB and literally got completely lucky with Romo (undrafted) and Dak (4th round)?

Good luck!

 

[TwentyOne]

When you get paid like the number one guy and by a large margin, you better play like the number one guy! An 86 qb rating last year is about 7 points below average.

Dak won like 3 games last year and even more losses..86 qb rating (To be fair, I did enjoy the Pittsburgh win).

Cooper Rush went basically 5 (I am giving him the Cincinnati win because of that Penn State cornerback, who let the ball hit him on the kick off and the turnover) and 6 last year…83 qb rating

Anyway, not much difference. Basically the same performance… a mid 80’s qb rating number is the baseline for being a career back up.

For 60 million a year, shouldn’t that gap be significantly and I mean SIGNIFICANTLY wider? Thinking 101 qb rating along with 12 wins a year vs an 86.

Dak is taking up 20% of the cap while dude taking up .4% is playing about the same.

If you get paid like the man, you better be the man!!!

What point have you thought Dak could win 3-4 games in a row in the playoffs? He can barely win one.

It is not luck. You need dominant qb play in this league and the playoffs. He is NOT the guy. The Dak experiment needs to end. We need a new QB ASAP.

Go Cowboys!

This post comes 9 years too late.

Train left the Station. The horse already escaped.....

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Sorry wasn't arguing that, just saying that Tampa Bay defense was next level. Brad Johnson did not have to do a lot except not turn it over.

Right. That's what I said. 6 interceptions...is incredible. THAT...is tremendously helping the defense stay fresh. CRITICAL. IMHO.

And...you still have to score points. 3000 yard and 22 TDs....for 2002...is not bottom of the barrel. he MORE than did his job.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

He had McNabb who was good for sure. But not as good as Mahomes.

He made a SB with McNabb though.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

2) "What does Dak get us" is a weird question because you're acting like the QB alone is responsible for the entire team's success or failure.

Nope..not what I said AT ALL. In fact I said the opposite. I said "on a bad team" what does Dak get us....REGARDLESS of him being great or stinking"

You see you are so hell bent on defending Dak...you can't even read it right. You need to take a break from it.

And yes...certainly the same COULD be said for Parsons...and Lamb. 'Unless we put the entire team together....we're paying these guys a lot of money..for what?

But of course Dak gets more attention. He handles the ball more, supposed to be the leader..and takes a ton of money (regardless what the "going rate" is)

For 12-5 regular seasons, and bounced out of the playoffs on our ***...and mid level draft picks. Nothing to show for it. Why do we incessantly argue about him?

You have to put your emotions down...and think outside the box a little bit. You thinking I'm saying "dak sucks and the only reason we suck he needs ditched"...is just you being a lunatic about this thought. I never said any such thing. .

 

[CowboyFrog]

Nope..not what I said AT ALL. In fact I said the opposite. I said "on a bad team" what does Dak get us....REGARDLESS of him being great or stinking"

You see you are so hell bent on defending Dak...you can't even read it right. You need to take a break from it.

And yes...certainly the same COULD be said for Parsons...and Lamb. 'Unless we put the entire team together....we're paying these guys a lot of money..for what?

But of course Dak gets more attention. He handles the ball more, supposed to be the leader..and takes a ton of money (regardless what the "going rate" is)

For 12-5 regular seasons, and bounced out of the playoffs on our ***...and mid level draft picks. Nothing to show for it. Why do we incessantly argue about him?

You have to put your emotions down...and think outside the box a little bit. You thinking I'm saying "dak sucks and the only reason we suck he needs ditched"...is just you being a lunatic about this thought. I never said any such thing. .

The reason we suck is because the GM builds teams for ratings not winning...if its SB or bust then there is no sense in fielding a team at all with this current FO/GM and thier strategy.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

The reason we suck is because the GM builds teams for ratings not winning...if its SB or bust then there is no sense in fielding a team at all with this current FO/GM and thier strategy.

Yes...that is kinda what I am getting at. If we ARE gonna be the 80's Browns....then let's go all in. .

The idea of it is s spawned by Dak Crusaders. They want to blame everyone else...and wonder why anyone would want to ditch Dak. So I thought about it. There was a disconnect there for me.

If everything else sucks...then what difference does Dak ...or any QB ....make? Why would I fight hard on the internet about it?

I do get that we should WANT to improve every position. QB included. But right now...would it really matter if we did? SO the opposite is also true. Would it matter if we ditched Dak?

(and no...I'm not pushing for Milton ya weirdos!)

 

[Nav22]

Nope..not what I said AT ALL. In fact I said the opposite. I said "on a bad team" what does Dak get us....REGARDLESS of him being great or stinking"

You see you are so hell bent on defending Dak...you can't even read it right. You need to take a break from it.

And yes...certainly the same COULD be said for Parsons...and Lamb. 'Unless we put the entire team together....we're paying these guys a lot of money..for what?

But of course Dak gets more attention. He handles the ball more, supposed to be the leader..and takes a ton of money (regardless what the "going rate" is)

For 12-5 regular seasons, and bounced out of the playoffs on our ***...and mid level draft picks. Nothing to show for it. Why do we incessantly argue about him?

You have to put your emotions down...and think outside the box a little bit. You thinking I'm saying "dak sucks and the only reason we suck he needs ditched"...is just you being a lunatic about this thought. I never said any such thing. .

So you acknowledge that the same could be said about CeeDee Lamb and Micah Parsons....

Does this mean you're in favor of trading them as well?

You just want to tank and trust Jerry/Stephen to build a championship contender from scratch?

Or does your goofy, illogical take only apply to the QB?

Yes, I'm "so hellbent on defending Dak" that I said he choked like a dog in the playoffs and that I'd trade him immediately if we found a better QB. Amazing logic.

 

[JoJo]

Dak is rated the 79th best player in the NFL He makes $5 million more than the 2nd highest paid player. That really can not even be rationalized.

 

[CowboyFrog]

Dak is rated the 79th best player in the NFL He makes $5 million more than the 2nd highest paid player. That really can not even be rationalized.

Its Jerry you think any of the last 30 years has been rational?

 

[Hadenough]

He made a SB with McNabb though.

Yep the famous throw up game. T Owens was pissed at McNabb.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

So you acknowledge that the same could be said about CeeDee Lamb and Micah Parsons....

Does this mean you're in favor of trading them as well?

You just want to tank and trust Jerry/Stephen to build a championship contender from scratch?

Or does your goofy, illogical take only apply to the QB?

Yes, I'm "so hellbent on defending Dak" that I said he choked like a dog in the playoffs and that I'd trade him immediately if we found a better QB. Amazing logic.

Did I *SAY* I want them to build form scratch? No...here take these back...

I don't trust them to rebuild any more than I trust them with Dak and Micahs contracts. Or any other aspect of the team.

That's the point...not sure what is so hard to get. It might be out of your league. And it's not something to easily fight about...so...not in your league.

I'm neither for or against trading anybody. I am asking what does it matter? What difference does any of it make unless Jerry...or a new own...can put a complete team together.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Dak is not the guy???



The pain is real!!!

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

Did I *SAY* I want them to build form scratch? No...here take these back...

I don't trust them to rebuild any more than I trust them with Dak and Micahs contracts. Or any other aspect of the team.

That's the point...not sure what is so hard to get. It might be out of your league. And it's not something to easily fight about...so...not in your league.

I'm neither for or against trading anybody. I am asking what does it matter? What difference does any of it make unless Jerry...or a new own...can put a complete team together.

It's back to the fountain of youth argument. Dak will be back to 2023 form. Forget about the unanswered question about what was wrong with Dak before the injury last season.

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

Dak is not the guy???



The pain is real!!!

Well it must of took a lot to make you turn on him, last year.