Dak is trying to scam the Cowboys

[PJTHEDOORS]

I haven't read all of this thread but I have concerns over Dak wanting to be the highest paid QB. One concern is that he is not the best QB in the league. I like Dak but he's not Aaron Rodgers, Brady, etc. I place Dak on the top of the second tier of QB's and he should be paid as so.

Dak will get around what Wentz is getting, $32 mill.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

No one's calling him a scumbag for doing his best to get paid well, but if he ends up overpriced in a way that hampers the cap, the team is better off moving on. It's just business, nothing personal.

Well no one is arguing that. If the team doesn’t want him then move on. But it’s not Dak or Zeke’s job to handle the cap. Their job is to get paid.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I wholeheartedly agree. It's too bad that so many players feel compelled to attempt to overcharge for their services, although, sadly, it's also a sign of the times. Greed has become an inherent fault for many, including both the teams and their players.

It's probably fair to also say that the Cowboys front office would have been wise to avoid having so many players being due for big paydays at the same time. In a way, it's a good problem to have but a disastrous one as well. It seems good drafting can have it's drawbacks!

Nobody can really blame the team for wanting to avoid a cap disaster by asking their players to understand their unfortunate contractual timing. It seems only fair that many, if not most, players should try to control their over-zealous desires to be paid record-setting contracts. Too bad how greed is a given!

Oh please. I didn’t hear anything about how bad it was for Dak to be making 500k a year. Now he’s selfish? Really?

 

[Bullflop]

Oh please. I didn’t hear anything about how bad it was for Dak to be making 500k a year. Now he’s selfish? Really?

Is he? And to think I didn't use that word nor his name! I wonder if Jerry forces guys to sign that rookie contract! Yeah, that must be it!

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Is he? And to think I didn't use that word nor his name! I wonder if Jerry forces guys to sign that rookie contract! Yeah, that must be it!

What does that have to do with anything? No one forced Dak to sign it but he surely hasn't complained. He did everything this organization asked of him. You guys are all anti-Jerry until the players want to get paid. Then all of a sudden its pro-Jerry.

 

[JoeKing]

Dak had the good sense to show up for training camp. The guy trying to scam the Cowboys is the one that didn't show up for training camp. Screw that guy. Let him rot on the vine. If you want a raise, you have to at least show up for work.

 

[cowboyec]

bull.

 

[Bullflop]

What does that have to do with anything? No one forced Dak to sign it but he surely hasn't complained. He did everything this organization asked of him. You guys are all anti-Jerry until the players want to get paid. Then all of a sudden its pro-Jerry.

Breathe deeply. Like I indicated already, I didn't mention Dak and in fact, I was mainly referring to Zeke far more than Dak. Clearly, I was generalizing about both the ownership and the players being greedy. Zeke has 2 yrs left on his contract and is picking the wrong time to demand it by holding out.

Dak wants top 5 pay and isn't rated a top five QB, but that doesn't bother me nearly as much as the fact that he's unwilling to come down to that level as yet. Hence, the FO is waiting for him to prove he deserves it. I think Dak is slightly better than an average QB and he needs to prove being more than that to the FO, before they agree to granting it. I'll likely have no objection to whatever they decide, as long as he proves deserving of the hype he's received.

 

[HungryLion]

This thread is a sad and strange evolution of the Dak contract threads that have been going on all off-season.

I honestly don’t know why people are so worked up and so upset about Dak’s contract negotiations. I really can’t understand it.

The angst and anxiety about it just doesn’t mesh with the realities of the situation.

Even if you are one of the people that think Dak is currently an average QB.......

The truth is, if the cowboys do extend Dak. The deal is going to be structured in a way, where Dak can be cut after about 3 years should he fail to improve, or regresses or whatever.

Dak has already played 3 years in the league. He has at least proven that he is a good enough QB to get to the divisional round with a good team around him (not even a great team, because most fans would admit the teams in the last 3 seasons haven’t been great rosters. Good to very good maybe but not great).

So I mean what’s all the extreme anxiety and worry about? I mean worse case scenario if he gets resigned. The team is stuck with him for another 3 seasons and you know he is at least good enough to get the team into the playoffs. Meanwhile, the unknown of getting rid of him carries great risks, given the bust rate of QB’s drafted.

So even if you think Dak is just average. Where is the fire right now? Why is this being treated like a national emergency? I just don’t get it.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Like I indicated previously, I didn't mention Dak and in fact, I was mainly referring to Zeke far more than Dak. Clearly, I was generalizing about both the ownership and the players being greedy. Zeke has 2 yrs left on his contract and is picking the wrong time to demand it by holding out.

Dak wants top 5 pay and isn't rated a top five QB, but that doesn't bother me nearly as much as the fact that he's unwilling to come down to that level as yet. Hence, the FO is waiting for him to prove he deserves it. I think Dak is slightly better than an average QB and he needs to prove being more than that to the FO, before they agree to granting it. I'll likely have no objection to whatever they decide, as long as he proves deserving of the hype he's received.

Dak wants what he's owed. If Carson Wentz got paid like a top 5 quarterback than Dak has every right to ask for just as much if not more. Its just what it is. You guys are getting too stuck in the "top 5" thing. The top 5 qb's with the exception of probably Mahomes have all already gotten their big pay days. Brees, Rivers, Roethisberger, Brady, Rodgers.........they don't have too many more big deals left in them. Those guys aren't on the same pay scale as guys 10 years younger than them. Jimmy G, Wentz and Cousins have done NOTHING in this league and got paid. So now that its time for Dak to get paid everyone wants the quarterback market to go back to normal. Naw.....that's not how it works. The qb market will continue to grow regardless of the caliber of quarterback.

And there's never a wrong time to demand what you're worth. Whether that's in life or the NFL.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

This thread is a sad and strange evolution of the Dak contract threads that have been going on all off-season.

I honestly don’t know why people are so worked up and so upset about Dak’s contract negotiations. I really can’t understand it.

The angst and anxiety about it just doesn’t mesh with the realities of the situation.

Even if you are one of the people that think Dak is currently an average QB.......

The truth is, if the cowboys do extend Dak. The deal is going to be structured in a way, where Dak can be cut after about 3 years should he fail to improve, or regresses or whatever.

Dak has already played 3 years in the league. He has at least proven that he is a good enough QB to get to the divisional round with a good team around him (not even a great team, because most fans would admit the teams in the last 3 seasons haven’t been great rosters. Good to very good maybe but not great).

So I mean what’s all the extreme anxiety and worry about? I mean worse case scenario if he gets resigned. The team is stuck with him for another 3 seasons and you know he is at least good enough to get the team into the playoffs. Meanwhile, the unknown of getting rid of him carries great risks, given the bust rate of QB’s drafted.

So even if you think Dak is just average. Where is the fire right now? Why is this being treated like a national emergency? I just don’t get it.

Because people are clueless lol. There was a outcry over Kapernick getting 100 million and they dropped him like ti was nothing.

 

[Bullflop]

Dak wants what he's owed. If Carson Wentz got paid like a top 5 quarterback than Dak has every right to ask for just as much if not more. Its just what it is. You guys are getting too stuck in the "top 5" thing. The top 5 qb's with the exception of probably Mahomes have all already gotten their big pay days. Brees, Rivers, Roethisberger, Brady, Rodgers.........they don't have too many more big deals left in them. Those guys aren't on the same pay scale as guys 10 years younger than them. Jimmy G, Wentz and Cousins have done NOTHING in this league and got paid. So now that its time for Dak to get paid everyone wants the quarterback market to go back to normal. Naw.....that's not how it works. The qb market will continue to grow regardless of the caliber of quarterback.

And there's never a wrong time to demand what you're worth. Whether that's in life or the NFL.

Your estimation of Dak's worth and mine aren't on the same page by any stretch. Dak isn't nearly as good as any of the QBs you've mentioned, with the possible exception of Wentz, who was somewhat overpaid anyhow, imho.

It's ridiculous how you choose to circumvent the truth when you assert that just because the older QBs are older, they don't deserve to be valued according to their superior skills. The fact that they don't have many deals left has nothing to do with their actual worth. They earn what they get and possibly more.

Jimmy G., Wentz and Cousins have, indeed, done something in this league, whether you're willing to admit it or not. Everyone knows the QB market is growing -- that's no great revelation. All I want is for Dak to prove his worth sometime this year before the Cowboys decide to reward him too generously. If that happens, he'll surely have my blessing. If not, he won't. Live with it if you can. If not, so be it. We can always agree to disagree, no problem.

 

[Alexander]

Don't be so fast to indict Prescott.

Our team leadership is fully capable of scamming themselves.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Your estimation of Dak's worth and mine aren't on the same page by any stretch. Dak isn't nearly as good as any of the QBs you've mentioned, with the possible exception of Wentz, who was somewhat overpaid anyhow, imho.

It's ridiculous how you choose to circumvent the truth when you assert that just because the older QBs are older, they don't deserve to be valued according to their superior skills. The fact that they don't have many deals left has nothing to do with their actual worth. They earn what they get and possibly more.

Jimmy G., Wentz and Cousins have, indeed, done something in this league, whether you're willing to admit it or not. Everyone knows the QB market is growing -- that's no great revelation. All I want is for Dak to prove his worth sometime this year before the Cowboys decide to reward him too generously. If that happens, he'll surely have my blessing. If not, he won't. Live with it if you can. If not, so be it.

Did you not say Dak was above average? That' where I have him so my estimation of Dak's worth isn't far from yours. Where we probably differ is that you probably think he's hit his ceiling. I don't. I don't believe a 26 year old quarterback can't get better. Just my opinion but I don't believe it.

And what on earth has Jimmy G, Wentz and Cousins done that Dak hasn't? I have to hear this.

And I enver ONCE said older QB's don't deserve to be valued. You saw what Brady just got right? My point was those guys weren't up for deals. Russell Wilson was and got 40 million. What I think you and others fail to realize is that if guys were up for a new contract they would exceed 40 million. Brees would get 40 million. Rivers would get 40 million +. So no.....the 32-34 million per would not be top 5 money. It would be outside the top 5. And in 3 or 4 years 32 million will not even be top 10 money.

 

[Verdict]

I think what’s fair for Dak is to set a reasonable salary and say his salary can’t fall below the 10th highest QB in the league for the duration of his contract as long as he remains the starting QB.

That would be a decent deal for the Cowboys and a pretty fair deal for Dak.

 

[ItzKelz]

He wants to be highest paid, based off what? He has issues with accuracy, can't carry a team on his back, and only has a high percentage throwing the ball because most of his throws are short range

Real fans don't need numbers to see he struggles with throwing a WR open ( if you have proof post a video of him doing it multiple times), throwing in tight windows, and deep/intermediate passes.

He knows this, he knows he's not that good. He knows this is his only chance to cash out, because he knows he might get exposed as not to good(like flacco), especially if Zeke doesn't play.

He's trying to scam us and strong arm us because really and truly I do agree with him, right now we have no better option. Doesn't make him a great option, just a convenient option. He knows Jerry can get desperate.

Let the guy play and show the world who he really is. If he balls out, I'll for sure rue. But I doubt he can put together a great season, and wow most of us.

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

Your estimation of Dak's worth and mine aren't on the same page by any stretch. Dak isn't nearly as good as any of the QBs you've mentioned, with the possible exception of Wentz, who was somewhat overpaid anyhow, imho.

It's ridiculous how you choose to circumvent the truth when you assert that just because the older QBs are older, they don't deserve to be valued according to their superior skills. The fact that they don't have many deals left has nothing to do with their actual worth. They earn what they get and possibly more.

Jimmy G., Wentz and Cousins have, indeed, done something in this league, whether you're willing to admit it or not. Everyone knows the QB market is growing -- that's no great revelation. All I want is for Dak to prove his worth sometime this year before the Cowboys decide to reward him too generously. If that happens, he'll surely have my blessing. If not, he won't. Live with it if you can. If not, so be it. We can always agree to disagree, no problem.

Why do you think any of those three have "done something" that Dak has not?

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Why do you think any of those three have "done something" that Dak has not?

That's what I want to know.

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

That's what I want to know.

Ironically Wentz would be the only one you could make an argument for. Cousins has done nothing in the NFL. Dudes one playoff season he lost to the Matt Cassel led Cowboys. Jimmy has played ten freaking games.

 

[lockster]

At what point does the fan base start to question these assertions the press states as fact.

I may be wrong. Any number of people here will tell you this, But has anyone heard an interview where Dak has stated he wants to be the highest paid player in the league?

Or was this his agent?

Or a journalist trying to scoop the 28000 others by making this up?

The press has been suspect before, but let's face it. Journalism and truth have now moved into a period where they are no longer kissing cousins. They are complete strangers.

Not tossing rocks at you Frozen. But surely Dak and the entire football world that does not include Ray Charles and Stevie Wonder sees his leadership, and desire to win, and occasionally him dropping a ball and missing the ground.

You had me till the last paragraph. . Lol