Dak Prescott "Garbage time stats" Question

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Can't win. It's either garbage time or it's dink and dunk. Both are myths, but which ever fits the agenda.

Everyone who says the cowboys aren’t winners and never win are just haters and losers

 

[Hennessy_King]

Again I ask....Where was our leader Mr. Prescott when the Browns went from 28 pts (7 points a gift fumble from Dak) to 41?
5 drives 78 yards 5 first downs and 1 fumble....then he becomes a hero down 27 pts in the 4th Q Garbage time as the Browns defense is watching the clock and thinking what they're going to do when they get home???
You know what's pathetic the above scenario is one of many the last 3 years!!!!

But he got them back within 3 points with 3 1/2 minutes to go in the game. Is that garbage time?

 

[phildadon86]

This is your defense of the offense - “ all teams do this” - did the Tampa Bay Bucs turn the ball over in 3 games on back to back possessions? Yea the defense sucks thanks to a combination of lack of talent and injury but your slavish devotion to the offense putting the defense in bad spots is laughable. Three weeks in a row this offense has coughed the ball up and put the defense in a bad spot, three weeks in a row that has led to the team getting behind early. Hell the game against the Browns and Seahawks was almost identical, first quarter start off and the teams each score, game is tied and the Cowboys have a chance to go into half time tied or up if they hold on to the ball and score. They cough it up and go down to the Seahawks, then come out in the 3rd and proceed to turn the ball over in the first possession. Same thing against the Browns, two quick turn overs in a blink of an eye you go from 14-14 to 28-14. Whip on the defense all you like but at what point do you hold the offense accountable or is that not allowed in the era of Saint Dak?

In reality. The defense is in a bad spot coming out of the tunnel. Allowing 300 yards on the ground is worse than bad. Its horrendous. Turnovers or not. The defense needs to make a stop here and there.

 

[phildadon86]

But he got them back within 3 points with 3 1/2 minutes to go in the game. Is that garbage time?

The entire basis of my argument. lol

 

[Eanwen]

I'm not going to read this whole thread, but just realize people are saying Dak got garbage time stats in games where:

1. Cowboys actually won the game (Atlanta)
2. Cowboys were actually winning late in the 4th quarter (Seattle)
3. Dak threw for 175 yards and 2 tds in the first quarter (were the Browns playing prevent in the first quarter? LOL) and Cowboys were down by 3 points with about 3:40 left to play in the game.

I realize "garbage time stats" was a talking point last year, but saying that stuff this year is just plain dumb.

 

[Pessimist_cowboy]

I'm not going to read this whole thread, but just realize people are saying Dak got garbage time stats in games where:

1. Cowboys actually won the game (Atlanta)
2. Cowboys were actually winning late in the 4th quarter (Seattle)
3. Dak threw for 175 yards and 2 tds in the first quarter and Cowboys were down by 3 points with about 3:40 left to play in the game.

I realize "garbage time stats" was a talking point last year, but saying that stuff this year is just plain dumb.

Give me 4 solid quarters of mistake free football.

 

[HungryLion]

We have i think 1 takeaway? right? I think the average for a defense is 1.5 per game. So if we were average we would have 6 takeaways right now.

We have 2. And one of those was the free gimme from DK Metcalf fumbling through the end zone.


And yes. Middle of the pack is around 1.5 per game.

If the team had 6 turnovers Forced. They are very likely 3-1 right now.

 

[Denim Chicken]

But he got them back within 3 points with 3 1/2 minutes to go in the game. Is that garbage time?

According the the geniuses here, they let Dak run down the field for quick TDs to burn out the clock.

 

[Hennessy_King]

We have 2. And one of those was the free gimme from DK Metcalf fumbling through the end zone.


And yes. Middle of the pack is around 1.5 per game.

If the team had 6 turnovers Forced. They are very likely 3-1 right now.

The metcalf play I don't even consider a turnover that was basically a punt after our corner got smoked

 

[Whyjerry]

I have noticed a common theme here when it comes to Dak. There are 2 sides of the fence. Those that like him and see that he can lead this team to a Super Bowl. And those that dont like him, no matter how he performs for whatever their reasons are.

Now with that being said. My question hinges on certain statements I have seen on this board about his "garbage time stats".

Now people like to say he pads his stats etc. But the same people then sit there and say he threw a game ending pick to seal the win for the other team.

Now correct me if I am wrong here, but if he is just padding his stats in garbage time. How is he throwing a game ending pick? I mean the game is already over in your eyes. It cant be both. So either he is getting garbage time stats and padding his resume, or he is playing to win and throwing a game ending pick. Pick one. It cant be both.

Dak will be inconsistent with accuracy at times but he is a good QB start to finish. He also can’t tackle for the defense either.

 

[Eanwen]

According the the geniuses here, they let Dak run down the field for quick TDs to burn out the clock.

One would think prevent defenses is about trading yards for time off the clock. I'm guessing the Cowboys took about 6 min to score 3 tds and 3 2pt conversions.

edit: Just checked: 7 min and 24 seconds according to ESPN. that's less than 2 1/2 min per td.

 

[rnr_honeybadger]

NE turned the ball over twice and only gave up 19 points to the cheifs.

And they lost.

 

[Hennessy_King]

And they lost.

I'm just saying. You don't have a clue. And it shows.

 

[Boyzmamacita]

You mean to tell me that this offense that was chewing up yards and wracking up scores cannot get us a first down or get us in fg range?

I mean to tell you it's the NFL and teams don't score consistently throughout games. They score when they score. 38 points is enough and we shouldn't have to score that many EVERY WEEK.

 

[Kevinicus]

I am just trying to understand.

No you're not.

The 4th quarter was garbage time. But CLE handled it so poorly, that they allowed it to become a game again. If you truly don't understand 41-14, in the 4th quarter, is garbage time, there is no help. You're beyond understanding. It just is what it is.

 

[BigD_95]

Not one game ending pick, but back to back game ending picks...just for clarification

and the fumbles didnt help much either

 

[Haimerej]

After going down 28-14, DAL had 3 possessions to watch the lead get to 41-14. Dak was 10-15 for 53 yards on those 3 possessions. That's 3.5 yards per attempt. One of those possessions saw 9 straight passes before a turnover on downs.

After 41-14 and the start of the 4th quarter, CLE stopped sending pressure and backed off. Then the passing game took off again. Yes, Dak looked good on the rise to 14 points, but CLE shut down the passing game after that until they backed off in the 4th.

 

[HungryLion]

The metcalf play I don't even consider a turnover that was basically a punt after our corner got smoked

Very true. The offense got the ball on the 20. Obviously that does them no favors

 

[GMO415]

DAL was within 3 and not out of the game, so how is it "garbage time?"

 

[Brax]

I have noticed a common theme here when it comes to Dak. There are 2 sides of the fence. Those that like him and see that he can lead this team to a Super Bowl. And those that dont like him, no matter how he performs for whatever their reasons are.

Now with that being said. My question hinges on certain statements I have seen on this board about his "garbage time stats".

Now people like to say he pads his stats etc. But the same people then sit there and say he threw a game ending pick to seal the win for the other team.

Now correct me if I am wrong here, but if he is just padding his stats in garbage time. How is he throwing a game ending pick? I mean the game is already over in your eyes. It cant be both. So either he is getting garbage time stats and padding his resume, or he is playing to win and throwing a game ending pick. Pick one. It cant be both.

Dak isn't saying to himself ahhh it's garbage time so just stop, you know better, he is trying to win the game and as a result of teams playing soft with a lead he racks up bloated stats. I would hope most commend him for not quitting. The problem many have is his disappearing act and the need to come back from 20-27 point deficits or disappearing for whole games against a good team that occurred due to those disappearing acts. Dak would acknowledge his stats are empty stats when they are accumulated like he has against weak and soft defenses when games appear to be out of reach. You know that his stats are just window dressing when the team is sitting at 1-3 and the defenses played were not very good in fact I believe 2 are worse than Dallas's. Dak is being paid top money and is up to this point producing mediocre results. Take away all the excuses but at some point he has to start playing complete games. Dak will garner all the support he needs if he starts playing like high level QBs for complete games. Dak with a Top 5 Defense would be a good fit because of his limitations but there is no way with the resources that need to be committed to him to elevate his game a team can not afford that type of defense. Playing Dak in 2016 was the correct call, Jerry will be paying Dak at the end of the season and that's the wrong call. The excuses keep coming with one common thread and that is it's never Daks fault. There is only one side of the fence at this point and that is Dak does major disappearing acts and it cost this team wins. It appears that the recipe to beat the Cowboys is make Dak beat you, and so far it appears it it working.