Dak Prescott is better than Derek Carr and it’s not even close

[SilverStarCowboy]

My love for this team starts with the best overall player in the 2016 and 2017 NFL Drafts.

 

[12+88=7]

The one category that worries me about Prescott and not Carr is in the passing game.

If my team is down two scores in the 4th quarter with 5 minutes left and needs a comeback, I would rather have Carr as my QB. Last year he proved it seven times.

Last year Prescott had one opportunity like this(Pittsburgh) and he gets credit for a comeback. But if you look closer Prescott made one throw for 15 yards and there was a 15 yard penalty and the rest was Elliott on the ground. Prescott was a non factor.

The other comeback came against Philadelphia, but Dallas got the ball with 10 minutes left in the 4th quarter and grind ed out two drives to win the game. Again, not that impressive.

Then there was the playoff game against Green Bay. Dallas fell behind 18 points in the first quarter and it took them 49 minutes to catch up and tie the game. If Prescott were an elite passer Dallas would have been in striking distance by halftime or into the 3rd quarter.

Think of the game Dallas played against Manning and the Denver 51-48. If Prescott is the QB in that game Dallas is out of it by half time. You see what I'm getting at, Prescott is not electric in the passing game. If Dallas is trailing and Prescott needs to pass every down to drive the team downfield it is still a question mark because he has never done it. On the other hand Carr has proven in the clutch to be one of the best in the NFL.

When Prescott can put the team on his shoulders and be the focal point of the offense is when you can say that Prescott is better than Carr. But that can not be said.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

The one category that worries me about Prescott and not Carr is in the passing game.

If my team is down two scores in the 4th quarter with 5 minutes left and needs a comeback, I would rather have Carr as my QB. Last year he proved it seven times.

Last year Prescott had one opportunity like this(Pittsburgh) and he gets credit for a comeback. But if you look closer Prescott made one throw for 15 yards and there was a 15 yard penalty and the rest was Elliott on the ground. Prescott was a non factor.

The other comeback came against Philadelphia, but Dallas got the ball with 10 minutes left in the 4th quarter and grind ed out two drives to win the game. Again, not that impressive.

Then there was the playoff game against Green Bay. Dallas fell behind 18 points in the first quarter and it took them 49 minutes to catch up and tie the game. If Prescott were an elite passer Dallas would have been in striking distance by halftime or into the 3rd quarter.

Think of the game Dallas played against Manning and the Denver 51-48. If Prescott is the QB in that game Dallas is out of it by half time. You see what I'm getting at, Prescott is not electric in the passing game. If Dallas is trailing and Prescott needs to pass every down to drive the team downfield it is still a question mark because he has never done it. On the other hand Carr has proven in the clutch to be one of the best in the NFL.

When Prescott can put the team on his shoulders and be the focal point of the offense is when you can say that Prescott is better than Carr. But that can not be said.

It can be said...."Prescott better than Carr." (doesn't have to be from your mouth only)

 

[bigbob]

I would bet everything I own on it.

Derek Carr is the next great NFL quarterback. It's up to the Raiders to not screw it up, which is difficult for that knucklehead franchise.

I've seen a ton of Dak Prescotts have promising rookie years. He's still potential. Carr is far more polished at this point. He makes far more difficult throws on a regular basis.

Certainty doesn't mean you can't win with Dak, but not without being a run-first offense at this point.

We'll know what Dak is by 2020.

The flaw in your outlook is come from way behind wins are fun to watch but it means the team or qb played poorly in the early part of the game.
If a team plays good maintains a lead then there are no need for comebacks.

It is silly to compare qb ''s as they're all different and teams and coaches are different.
If we traded dak for Brady we still might
Not get past Div round due to coaches
and owner.

 

[ConstantReboot]

Use hyperbole much? Prescott had the best RB & OL in the league last year, plus Dez & Beasley. Carr's O-line is good, but not great. He has NO ONE near Zeke at RB. Spare me if anyone thinks that foul "Beast" is as good, let alone better. Carr has several excellent seasons under his belt, while Dak has one. The proof is in the long term. I'd take either one, myself, but I am partial to Dak for obvious reasons.

Oaklands oline produced the least sacks in the NFL last year. That means when it comes to pass protection there better than ours. They may not have a Zeke, but they have the better receivers than we do.

 

[12+88=7]

The flaw in your outlook is come from way behind wins are fun to watch but it means the team or qb played poorly in the early part of the game.
If a team plays good maintains a lead then there are no need for comebacks.

It is silly to compare qb ''s as they're all different and teams and coaches are different.
If we traded dak for Brady we still might
Not get past Div round due to coaches
and owner.

That's not true at all.

Roger Staubach was called "Captain Comeback", and it wasn't because of his play that Dallas trailed in some of his games. It was about his game down the stretch when plays needed to be made. You can also look at Romo in recent years. Every year Romo would bail Dallas out of the fire many times. You could see it, they passed the eye test, you had a level of confidence that Dallas would pull it out and win no matter the circumstances. Bottom line is when it was crunch time you could see their level of play in the passing game improve, same with Carr.

This thread is about Prescott being better than Carr. Carr is the focal point of the Oakland offense, it's on his shoulders that rest the teams success. Prescott is not the engine that drives the Dallas offense. He just needs to keep the team ahead of the chains(keep reasonable down and distance) and not make mistakes. It's the Dallas running game that teams need to stop and is the focal point to beat Dallas, not their passing game. Until that changes Carr will be seen as the better QB.

 

[Melonfeud]

So stats take into account throwing a bad ball that the receiver corrects? It takes into account holding the ball too long and taking a sack? It accounts for not seeing wide open receivers? It accounts for the ability of the opposing defenses? You know, real football considerations?

No, stat obsession is what fuels this massive, unnecessary sports media looking for something to justify their existence in said media.

Dak has nice numbers, but a big part of that was having the best running attack in the NFL. The Giants and Vikings showed what Dak could do when he didn't have that attack.

Carr should have been the league MVP last year. He's completed the process and is about to explode to Rodgers-like level. We're just watching the beginning of that process for Dak, which hopefully happens quicker than expected.

Hey,bro! Now just for a minute hear me and ponder the outcome, ,,,you mentioned the vikings and giants games as the seawall shutting down Dak's superlative attack,,, consideration should be given they were nationally televized games and #4 is on record ( more like UNDER PRESSURE from above) to be a 'pocket passer' which even in college really wasn't his bag being under center,,, had the heavy handed reins on his harness been loosened a bit more( just enough ,from above) that he could've been running a free gun so to speak( you throw that Traverse and elevation mechanism over your freaking shoulder)
And go with what you know which is him running FORWARD,,,with the ball ,,, those games outcomes would've definitely been different and in favor of his natural footballing abilities.


( I remember Sonny Jurgensen pulling the QB run attack on us more than once,,,it was a timely killer play called)

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

That's not true at all.

Roger Staubach was called "Captain Comeback", and it wasn't because of his play that Dallas trailed in some of his games. It was about his game down the stretch when plays needed to be made. You can also look at Romo in recent years. Every year Romo would bail Dallas out of the fire many times. You could see it, they passed the eye test, you had a level of confidence that Dallas would pull it out and win no matter the circumstances. Bottom line is when it was crunch time you could see their level of play in the passing game improve, same with Carr.

This thread is about Prescott being better than Carr. Carr is the focal point of the Oakland offense, it's on his shoulders that rest the teams success. Prescott is not the engine that drives the Dallas offense. He just needs to keep the team ahead of the chains(keep reasonable down and distance) and not make mistakes. It's the Dallas running game that teams need to stop and is the focal point to beat Dallas, not their passing game. Until that changes Carr will be seen as the better QB.

Seen in your eyes, not mine or others here.

 

[bigbob]

Oaklands oline produced the least sacks in the NFL last year. That means when it comes to pass protection there better than ours. They may not have a Zeke, but they have the better receivers than we do.

But Dallas wr make more money! !
They should be way better lol
Heck dez may make more than all of theirs. .

 

[bigbob]

That's not true at all.

Roger Staubach was called "Captain Comeback", and it wasn't because of his play that Dallas trailed in some of his games. It was about his game down the stretch when plays needed to be made. You can also look at Romo in recent years. Every year Romo would bail Dallas out of the fire many times. You could see it, they passed the eye test, you had a level of confidence that Dallas would pull it out and win no matter the circumstances. Bottom line is when it was crunch time you could see their level of play in the passing game improve, same with Carr.

This thread is about Prescott being better than Carr. Carr is the focal point of the Oakland offense, it's on his shoulders that rest the teams success. Prescott is not the engine that drives the Dallas offense. He just needs to keep the team ahead of the chains(keep reasonable down and distance) and not make mistakes. It's the Dallas running game that teams need to stop and is the focal point to beat Dallas, not their passing game. Until that changes Carr will be seen as the better QB.

By qb you seem to mean passer??
Carr may be the better passer.
But dak could be the best qb?

 

[CowboyRoy]

Read all: https://www.fieldgulls.com/2017/7/2...ders-cowboys-qbr-stats-season-outlook-preview


A recent ESPN Insider article by their illustrious panel of experts ranked the 32 teams in terms of which NFL franchises are in the best shape for the next three seasons. One of the categories was quarterback, with teams ranked #1-32 based on their QB situation for the next three seasons. It was no surprise that Aaron Rodgers ranked #1, but following behind him at #2 was Derek Carr. That’s right: these experts would rather have Carr for the next three years than players like Russell Wilson, Drew Brees, Andrew Luck, Ben Roethlisberger, and the last two MVP winners, Matt Ryan and Cam Newton. However, I’d argue that none of these is the craziest omission, which is the inexplicable choice of Derek Carr over Dak Prescott.

Disclaimers

• Why is this on a Seahawks website? (a) Because all of the bad arguments that were used against Wilson early in his career (e.g., he only looks good because of his teammates, he’s only efficient because he throws at low volume, the plays he creates with his legs outside of the pocket don’t count) that have proven to be bad arguments as Wilson has maintained a high level for five seasons are now being applied to Prescott; and (b) Derek Carr is lame.
• This might look silly in a year if Carr improves as much as he did between 2015 and 2016.

The Statistics
The film comes later in this piece, but before anyone accuses me of cherry-picking individual plays, statistics measure the result of every play of the season. In Derek Carr’s three seasons, he has never played better than in 2016, and Prescott’s 2016 rookie season was substantially more efficient than Carr’s 2016 (and no, it is not easier to be more efficient when throwing at a lower volume):

Foolishness. Carr is awesome. "not even close" is too over the top.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Yeah you can have your preference but saying "its not even close" is a bit extreme.

 

[jday]

Foolishness. Carr is awesome. "not even close" is too over the top.

Yeah you can have your preference but saying "its not even close" is a bit extreme.

I said as much in following comments. But being an article from enemy territory does add a little credence to the content...and the content was a heck of alot better then sifting through more drama that has nothing to with football, so...

 

[jday]

Oaklands oline produced the least sacks in the NFL last year. That means when it comes to pass protection there better than ours. They may not have a Zeke, but they have the better receivers than we do.

To say allowing less sacks "means" that they have better pass protection is not necessarily true. They may have, that's not my argument. But considering we played different teams and the fact that sometimes the quarterback is at fault for the sack not the line, that particular stat does not provide definitive value as it relates to our ol compared to theirs.

 

[bigbob]

To say allowing less sacks "means" that they have better pass protection is not necessarily true. They may have, that's not my argument. But considering we played different teams and the fact that sometimes the quarterback is at fault for the sack not the line, that particular stat does not provide definitive value as it relates to our ol compared to theirs.

I watched all the games again looking
at pass blocking and at times it is bad
due to who they choose to block.

On one play Martin chose to not block
the guy in front of him to block same guy Fred was blocking. The one Martin
Did not block sacked dak as he was
Untouched.
It was weird but happened alot.

 

[jday]

I watched all the games again looking
at pass blocking and at times it is bad
due to who they choose to block.

On one play Martin chose to not block
the guy in front of him to block same guy Fred was blocking. The one Martin
Did not block sacked dak as he was
Untouched.
It was weird but happened alot.

All this talk about best offensive line in football is hyperbole at it's finest. At the end of the day, how our OL compares to the Raiders OL simply doesn't matter. You don't have to have the best of anything to win a Super Bowl. You just don't want to have the weakest of anything. Because if you are the weakest in any phase of the game there's a good chance you won't even make the playoffs...much less the Super Bowl.

I'm content with the knowledge that the offense as a whole is easily top 10...possibly top 5. Our Special Teams skill players collectively are top 5. The question remaining is our defense...alot of things are going to have go right for the defensive group to even provide status quo from a year ago.

 

[DFWJC]

My love for this team starts with the best overall player in the 2016 and 2017 NFL Drafts.

2017 draft?

 

[Frozen700]

Yes, it's very close...and no he's not better.


You all need to stop

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I said as much in following comments. But being an article from enemy territory does add a little credence to the content...and the content was a heck of alot better then sifting through more drama that has nothing to with football, so...

Yeah trust me I LOVE we have Dak and thankful we didn't have to really suffer through life after Romo but we have to put things in perspective. Dak has only played one season. Carr has done it a little longer.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

In the end who really cares. I think both are going to be great QBs.