Dak Prescott is better than Derek Carr and it’s not even close

[Trouty]

Dak Prescott is better than Derek Carr and it’s not even close..

I can see both sides comparing Carr vs Prescott. But, when there is a "it's not even close" it loses it's seriousness.

I like both QB's and would be hard pressed to pick one, in a vacuum.

This. The "AINEC" idiom is tired. It's all over sports, tho, John. Not just this board. Still, completely agree. You lose me the moment you use that term.

 

[DFWJC]

Dak Prescott is better than Derek Carr and it’s not even close..

I can see both sides comparing Carr vs Prescott. But, when there is a "it's not even close" it loses it's seriousness.

I like both QB's and would be hard pressed to pick one, in a vacuum.

 

[Trouty]

Just bringing the same ammo as he is. He's about to get blocked anyway, so that'll fix it.

Well, even tho you and I have our moments, don't block me!

 

[Doomsdayblitz]

Use hyperbole much? Prescott had the best RB & OL in the league last year, plus Dez & Beasley. Carr's O-line is good, but not great. He has NO ONE near Zeke at RB. Spare me if anyone thinks that foul "Beast" is as good, let alone better. Carr has several excellent seasons under his belt, while Dak has one. The proof is in the long term. I'd take either one, myself, but I am partial to Dak for obvious reasons.

 

[DFWJC]

I'm fully aware that I've aligned myself with the most ridiculous fan base in all of professional sports. It's just like that extended family you don't bring to formal events

I love my Cowboys, but good gosh almighty, we've got some DNA mutations amongst us.

I suspect every fan base does, e.
Ours is just so large overall, a similar percentage would equal greater overall numbers.

 

[Trouty]

I suspect every fan base does, e.
Ours is just so large overall, a similar percentage would equal greater overall numbers.

 

[erod]

E, cut it out, man. We have the largest fanbase, so it swings both ways.

Again, you're part of this fanbase, stop denigrating yourself with your board brush quips.

Are you trying to get reactions, like this one, with absurd statements like that? You seem pretty even keel, then you spout something like this every so often.

I'm so tired of arguing with the stat mongers, then having them claim that they are backing up their debate with "facts", and I'm just pulling stuff out of my arse.

Case in point.....

Last year, Dak's longest pass of the year was a screen to Zeke against Pittsburgh. Statistically, that's the exact same thing as a 70-yard bomb in stride to Dez Bryant that he takes in for a TD. Both are 80-yard touchdown passes in the books.

Is that the same play by the quarterback? To them, it is. All pass plays of equal yardage are equal. You can't argue with numbers because they are "facts".

I watch it all. What was the protection like? How tight was the coverage? How many progressions were there? Was another guy wide open? (This hurts Dak at times.) Is the QB checking down too much? Is he avoiding certain types of throws? Did the receiver drop a perfect pass? Did the receiver manage to catch a terribly thrown ball? Is it late in a blowout, and are these meaningless yards in garbage time? Is the defense ganging up against the run? Are teams playing soft coverage on purpose?

Football is much more art than science. It can't be summed up in an Excel spreadsheet. Some just can't see beyond that.

 

[Trouty]

I'm so tired of arguing with the stat mongers, then having them claim that they are backing up their debate with "facts", and I'm just pulling stuff out of my arse.

Case in point.....

Last year, Dak's longest pass of the year was a screen to Zeke against Pittsburgh. Statistically, that's the exact same thing as a 70-yard bomb in stride to Dez Bryant that he takes in for a TD. Both are 80-yard touchdown passes in the books.

Is that the same play by the quarterback? To them, it is. All pass plays of equal yardage are equal. You can't argue with numbers because they are "facts".

I watch it all. What was the protection like? How tight was the coverage? How many progressions were there? Was another guy wide open? (This hurts Dak at times.) Is the QB checking down too much? Is he avoiding certain types of throws? Did the receiver drop a perfect pass? Did the receiver manage to catch a terribly thrown ball? Is it late in a blowout, and are these meaningless yards in garbage time? Is the defense ganging up against the run? Are teams playing soft coverage on purpose?

Football is much more art than science. It can't be summed up in an Excel spreadsheet. Some just can't see beyond that.

Dak also had a bucket pass to Dez that was a fifty yarder. It's hard to pass up the screen to Zeke, as, like you said, it was 80 yds. You can't blame Dak for that. How many QBs ended up at season's end with a longer pass than that screen to Zeke, E?

 

[erod]

Dak also had a bucket pass to Dez that was a fifty yarder. It's hard to pass up the screen to Zeke, as, like you said, it was 80 yds. You can't blame Dak for that. How many QBs would have a longer pass than that screen to Zeke, E?

The point is, Dak played really nicely, especially for a rookie. But good gosh, he left so many plays out there, too. He doesn't have the confidence yet to stand in the pocket and make all the throws. Doesn't mean he won't, but he's not right now.

I saw so many receivers running free down field last year (I'm at all the games), and he chooses the check down to Witten for six yards. Nice play, but there was an easy TD to Williams or Dez if he'd just look upfield. He'll throw the deep sidelines, but the deep middle still looks murky to him. He doesn't like back shoulder throws (I really hope he's been working on those because that's Dez' greatest ability), and deep outs are a no-go.

If he can stretch the defense (like Romo did), Zeke will absolutely destroy teams for huge runs on a regular basis. They'd be indefensible. Truly. I don't know what possible defense you could call to stop us.

The Giants and Vikings squeezed the pocket and covered the short stuff, and Dak got really uncomfortable. That book is out. He's going to have to counter that approach this year every game, and I am certain he knows this and is working hard on it. It's coming. If he can, there will be big plays over the top to be had.

That's what I'm talking about. Notice, I didn't make a single point with "stats". They just don't matter that much at all. I pay attention to three stats: 3rd down conversion %, turnover margin, and final score. That's it. The rest are lies.

 

[jday]

Dak Prescott is better than Derek Carr and it’s not even close..

I can see both sides comparing Carr vs Prescott. But, when there is a "it's not even close" it loses it's seriousness.

I like both QB's and would be hard pressed to pick one, in a vacuum.

That's a fair point. The hyperbole sets him up for criticism...and I'd agree with that. However, context is important. If it was a writer from BTB that wrote that, I would be more inclined to agree that it is pure embellishment and not worthy of serious consideration. However, this was from enemy territory, where hyperbole would be extremely out of character.

That said, I do agree he would have been better off choosing a title that was a little less heavy-handed.

 

[Trouty]

The point is, Dak played really nicely, especially for a rookie. But good gosh, he left so many plays out there, too. He doesn't have the confidence yet to stand in the pocket and make all the throws. Doesn't mean he won't, but he's not right now.

I saw so many receivers running free down field last year (I'm at all the games), and he chooses the check down to Witten for six yards. Nice play, but there was an easy TD to Williams or Dez if he'd just look upfield. He'll throw the deep sidelines, but the deep middle still looks murky to him. He doesn't like back shoulder throws (I really hope he's been working on those because that's Dez' greatest ability.)

If he can stretch the defense (like Romo did), Zeke will absolutely destroy teams for huge runs on a regular basis. They'd be indefensible. Truly. I don't know what possible defense you could call to stop us.

The Giants and Vikings squeezed the pocket and covered the short stuff, and Dak got really uncomfortable. That book is out. He's going to have to counter that approach this year every game, and I am certain he knows this and is working hard on it. It's coming. If he can, there will be big plays over the top to be had.

That's what I'm talking about. Notice, I didn't make a single point with "stats". They just don't matter that much at all. I pay attention to three stats: 3rd down conversion %, turnover margin, and final score. That's it. The rest are lies.

Dak was a phenom his year one. He had extraordinary confidence in the pocket. You're picking the wrong critique, their, brother. That's one of his strengths. Nearly Brady-esque, and for a rook. 4 INTs.

Yes, there were some plays where TNew or Beas were running around, uncovered, but he still delivered. You're being incredibly unfair to our rook, franchise QB, brother. I'm sure many, many QBs left plays on the field. Hell, ARod was doing it every game for a year and a half. People in GB were starting to panic.

Incidentally, let me ask you -- how did Dak fare in the "three stats you pay attention to"?

 

[dallasdave]

Dak was a phenom his year one. He had extraordinary confidence in the pocket. You're picking the wrong critique, their, brother. That's one of his strengths. Nearly Brady-esque, and for a rook. 4 INTs.

Yes, there were some plays where TNew or Beas were running around, uncovered, but he still delivered. You're being incredibly unfair to our rook, franchise QB, brother. I'm sure many, many QBs left plays on the field. Hell, ARod was doing it every game for a year and a half. People in GB were starting to panic.

Incidentally, let me ask you -- how did Dak fare in the "three stats you pay attention to"?

Great Poise for a ROOK !!!!!!

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

Use hyperbole much? Prescott had the best RB & OL in the league last year, plus Dez & Beasley. Carr's O-line is good, but not great. He has NO ONE near Zeke at RB. Spare me if anyone thinks that foul "Beast" is as good, let alone better. Carr has several excellent seasons under his belt, while Dak has one. The proof is in the long term. I'd take either one, myself, but I am partial to Dak for obvious reasons.

Best run blocking OL. Cowboys pass blocking OL wasn't close to being the best. Oaklands pass blocking protection was better than Dallas'.

Dak - 459 pass attempts, 25 sacks.
Carr - 560 pass attempts, 16 sacks.

 

[erod]

Dak was a phenom his year one. He had extraordinary confidence in the pocket. You're picking the wrong critique, their, brother. That's one of his strengths. Nearly Brady-esque, and for a rook. 4 INTs.

Yes, there were some plays where TNew or Beas were running around, uncovered, but he still delivered. You're being incredibly unfair to our rook, franchise QB, brother. I'm sure many, many QBs left plays on the field. Hell, ARod was doing it every game for a year and a half. People in GB were starting to panic.

Incidentally, let me ask you -- how did Dak fare in the "three stats you pay attention to"?

My optimism is high, but he's got forever to go. The Dak faithful aren't objective.

Dak was a phenom his year one. He had extraordinary confidence in the pocket. You're picking the wrong critique, their, brother. That's one of his strengths. Nearly Brady-esque, and for a rook. 4 INTs.

Yes, there were some plays where TNew or Beas were running around, uncovered, but he still delivered. You're being incredibly unfair to our rook, franchise QB, brother. I'm sure many, many QBs left plays on the field. Hell, ARod was doing it every game for a year and a half. People in GB were starting to panic.

Incidentally, let me ask you -- how did Dak fare in the "three stats you pay attention to"?

Pocket presence isn't just about being not scared. He's poised as hell. But his eyes and feet get antsy when he "trapped" in the pocket and can't escape. That's what the Giants did to him. Totally normal for a rookie. Carr is past that now.

The INTs, or lack thereof, is awesome, but there were quite a few dropped, and several checkdown and scrambles that were sometimes overly cautious. Again, totally normal for a rookie, and MUCH preferable to willy nilly throws.

And those three stats are team stats. Individual stats are too wonky to matter for the most part. Your eyes tell you the story.

I remember a game a few years ago, I think it was Matt Ryan, when he threw for 500 yards and lost something like 40-10. He had about 300 yards passing when the game was basically over. That's what I mean.

 

[erod]

Best run blocking OL. Cowboys pass blocking OL wasn't close to being the best. Oaklands pass blocking protection was better than Dallas'.

Dak - 459 pass attempts, 25 sacks.
Carr - 560 pass attempts, 16 sacks.

Both lines are good. There's a lot more that goes into a sack than just the OL.

 

[Jake]

Which QB is better? I don't care.

Just win, baby.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

Both lines are good. There's a lot more that goes into a sack than just the OL.

As in trying to avoid the sack.

 

[haleyrules]

Dak was a phenom his year one. He had extraordinary confidence in the pocket. You're picking the wrong critique, their, brother. That's one of his strengths. Nearly Brady-esque, and for a rook. 4 INTs.

Yes, there were some plays where TNew or Beas were running around, uncovered, but he still delivered. You're being incredibly unfair to our rook, franchise QB, brother. I'm sure many, many QBs left plays on the field. Hell, ARod was doing it every game for a year and a half. People in GB were starting to panic.

Incidentally, let me ask you -- how did Dak fare in the "three stats you pay attention to"?

Prescott is a true and real pocket passer...thats his strength. Thats what great teams have and now the Cowboys have that combined with a great Running game. Hard to beat that combination. Improve on the pass protection a little.

 

[erod]

As in trying to avoid the sack.

RBs recognizing blitzes, quarterbacks throwing the ball quickly or away, coverage ability by the other team, pass rush ability of the opponent, QB mobility, playcalling.....

 

[haleyrules]

Which QB is better? I don't care.

Just win, baby.

Exactly. I don't give a hoot about Carr. Prescott plays for the Cowboys and is the road ahead in Dallas. Carr?? WTH.