Dak Prescott is better than Derek Carr and it’s not even close

[Trouty]

Exactly. I don't give a hoot about Carr. Prescott plays for the Cowboys and is the road ahead in Dallas. Carr?? WTH.

Another great way to put it, Boxer! LMAO

 

[JJHLH1]

I just watched the long video of Carr's innacurate throws from a clean pocket last year. Like the article says, it was pretty shocking. It's also remarkable that Carr ranks 25th in the league with a career average of 6.46 yard per attempt, particularly given the stellar pass blocking of his offensive line and his fleet of excellent receivers. It will be very interesting to see how Carr performs this year, especially coming off his broken leg.

 

[jday]

Which QB is better? I don't care.

Just win, baby.

That was oddly appropriate considering the topic. Well done.

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

My optimism is high, but he's got forever to go. The Dak faithful aren't objective.


Pocket presence isn't just about being not scared. He's poised as hell. But his eyes and feet get antsy when he "trapped" in the pocket and can't escape. That's what the Giants did to him. Totally normal for a rookie. Carr is past that now.

The INTs, or lack thereof, is awesome, but there were quite a few dropped, and several checkdown and scrambles that were sometimes overly cautious. Again, totally normal for a rookie, and MUCH preferable to willy nilly throws.

And those three stats are team stats. Individual stats are too wonky to matter for the most part. Your eyes tell you the story.

I remember a game a few years ago, I think it was Matt Ryan, when he threw for 500 yards and lost something like 40-10. He had about 300 yards passing when the game was basically over. That's what I mean.

None of this is true. The stats you igore actually account for dropped ints, quality of opponent and distance of pass. All of those qualifiers are put into the formula and voila, Dak was still top 5 in all of them. You're naive if you think you've somehow discovered a flaw that these statistics have missed. They've thought of everything you could think of multipled by about a million since they're actually intelligent and adjusted accordingly. But you've projected your own inability to comprehend onto the rest of the world. There's a name for that. You're not objective. Quite the opposite in fact. And anyone who's wasted anytime reading your posts can attest. Your current love affair with DC is just cover for your true bitterness over Romo leaving.

 

[erod]

None of this is true. The stats you igore actually account for dropped ints, quality of opponent and distance of pass. All of those qualifiers are put into the formula and voila, Dak was still top 5 in all of them. You're naive if you think you've somehow discovered a flaw that these statistics have missed. They've thought of everything you could think of multipled by about a million since they're actually intelligent and adjusted accordingly. But you've projected your own inability to comprehend onto the rest of the world. There's a name for that. You're not objective. Quite the opposite in fact. And anyone who's wasted anytime reading your posts can attest. Your current love affair with DC is just cover for your true bitterness over Romo leaving.

So stats take into account throwing a bad ball that the receiver corrects? It takes into account holding the ball too long and taking a sack? It accounts for not seeing wide open receivers? It accounts for the ability of the opposing defenses? You know, real football considerations?

No, stat obsession is what fuels this massive, unnecessary sports media looking for something to justify their existence in said media.

Dak has nice numbers, but a big part of that was having the best running attack in the NFL. The Giants and Vikings showed what Dak could do when he didn't have that attack.

Carr should have been the league MVP last year. He's completed the process and is about to explode to Rodgers-like level. We're just watching the beginning of that process for Dak, which hopefully happens quicker than expected.

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

So stats take into account throwing a bad ball that the receiver corrects? It takes into account holding the ball too long and taking a sack? It accounts for not seeing wide open receivers? It accounts for the ability of the opposing defenses? You know, real football considerations?

No, stat obsession is what fuels this massive, unnecessary sports media looking for something to justify their existence in said media.

Dak has nice numbers, but a big part of that was having the best running attack in the NFL. The Giants and Vikings showed what Dak could do when he didn't have that attack.

Carr should have been the league MVP last year. He's completed the process and is about to explode to Rodgers-like level. We're just watching the beginning of that process for Dak, which hopefully happens quicker than expected.

Sports media is much less stats focused. They're more into the TMZ, Days of our Lives stuff that you're frequently a victim of as well. Advanced stats occupy about 1% of coverage. Again your perception, like your eyes, is distorted by being an attempt to confirm your biases. Then you come here and instead of some contribution actually formed by yourself, you parrot every narrative from the media you decry. Arguing against stats entirely and not understanding what they are, how they're made and the context in which they exist is nothing to brag about. Yet here we are.

 

[erod]

Sports media is much less stats focused. They're more into the TMZ, Days of our Lives stuff that you're frequently a victim of as well. Advanced stats occupy about 1% of coverage. Again your perception, like your eyes, is distorted by being an attempt to confirm your biases. Then you come here and instead of some contribution actually formed by yourself, you parrot every narrative from the media you decry. Arguing against stats entirely and not understanding what they are, how they're made and the context in which they exist is nothing to brag about. Yet here we are.

Stats are a conversation starter. They're cute. They require no intellect or thought to regurgitate. Sometimes, they provide a quantifier for a point, but the vast majority of the time, they stilt the truth. They're more a product of system and style than real substance.

In the case of this argument, great quarterbacks are a truly rare commodity. There are generally about 8-10 in the world at any given time. Most "great" statistical seasons are not followed up. Most quarterbacks don't make it through the gauntlet before they get figured out.

I can actually give Dak credit for an incredible rookie season, and know the difference between that and a great career. Much more will be asked of him going forward. He's got to meet the challenge. I think he will, but many never get there.

Plummer, Leftwich, RG3, Freeman, A Smith, Foles, Bulger, Tannehill, Carr's brother.....I've seen this before, and those guys didn't have anywhere near the lottery ticket Dak has with this personnel.

 

[reddyuta]

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I just watched the long video of Carr's innacurate throws from a clean pocket last year. Like the article says, it was pretty shocking. It's also remarkable that Carr ranks 25th in the league with a career average of 6.46 yard per attempt, particularly given the stellar pass blocking of his offensive line and his fleet of excellent receivers. It will be very interesting to see how Carr performs this year, especially coming off his broken leg.

lot of people commenting on this thread have not read the article or havent watched him play.Dak year one is a better QB than him in his best year.for a guy with Romo like quick release he misses a lot of easy throws and is shockingly bad throwing on the run which i think Dak ha mastered already.

 

[Ranched]

Ops, misspelled Derek. Anyways, as I stated in the "Derek Carr Signed 5yr" thread. I'm not alone on the thoughts I had recently posted.

@DoctorChicken "Carr has had one good season in 2015, a borderline elite season in 2016, and his rookie season wasn't bad. There's nothing stopping him from becoming an elite QB."

Article: In Derek Carr’s three seasons, he has never played better than in 2016

@Trouty "Carr is a very good QB. But I feel your passion Daboyz" Yes, I'm still feeling the "passion" lol

I posted some comments that stood out from the article. Before I forget, the article also states Dak will win a SB before Derek. Stay tuned, for I'll be back December 17th for the Check & Mate on this topic.
Stay thirsty my friends.
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Conclusion
Carr’s career stats are bad. Very bad. He’s not a bad quarterback (anymore), but he’s so completely useless as a rushing threat and misses so many unpressured throws that Prescott is far more impressive on tape. In this case, the stats don’t lie.

Prescott was #3 in the NFL and Carr was dead last out of 30 qualified QBs. Carr gained 5 first downs (0 TDs) on 38 rushing attempts (13% of rushes for 1st downs), while Prescott gained 21 first downs (6 TDs) on 57 rushing attempts (37%). This is somewhat puzzling given that Carr ran a faster 40 and had a higher vertical leap at the combine than Prescott, so he’s not exactly at an athletic disadvantage.

Dak can do everything Carr can do, but Carr cannot do everything Dak can do
Prescott was #3 in the NFL and Carr was dead last out of 30 qualified QBs Ha, don't see Carr becoming "Elite" anytime soon

Full Article: https://www.fieldgulls.com/2017/7/2...ders-cowboys-qbr-stats-season-outlook-preview

 

[stilltheguru88]

Dak is better than Carr. i wouldn't say by far though.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

I'm not exactly sure how you define "Traditional Scrambler" but I think the best way to clarify your point is through comparison. Dak is not a scrambler in the Michael Vick/Tim Tebow sense; Dak is a quarterback before he is a runner always...and has been since about halfway through his college career. Dak is more of a scrambler in the Steve Young sense.

It is for that reason, I take issue with the scrambler vs pocket passer argument because Dak really is a tweener of the two if anything.

I didn't say "traditional scrambler." I said he's a traditional pocket passer for the most part. He's a bit like Aaron Rodgers.

 

[JoeKing]

E, cut it out, man. We have the largest fanbase, so it swings both ways.

Again, you're part of this fanbase, stop denigrating yourself with your board brush quips.

Are you trying to get reactions, like this one, with absurd statements like that? You seem pretty even keel, then you spout something like this every so often.

^This

 

[JoeKing]

I didn't say "traditional scrambler." I said he's a traditional pocket passer for the most part. He's a bit like Aaron Rodgers.

No, Dak is a scrabbler by nature. He had to be coached up to be a pocket passer and he doesn't like doing it. He was recruited in the mold of Russell Wilson but bigger. He still likes to run the ball but he's been coached up to look down field first. He's nothing like Aaron Rodgers.

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

Stats are a conversation starter. They're cute. They require no intellect or thought to regurgitate. Sometimes, they provide a quantifier for a point, but the vast majority of the time, they stilt the truth. They're more a product of system and style than real substance.

In the case of this argument, great quarterbacks are a truly rare commodity. There are generally about 8-10 in the world at any given time. Most "great" statistical seasons are not followed up. Most quarterbacks don't make it through the gauntlet before they get figured out.

I can actually give Dak credit for an incredible rookie season, and know the difference between that and a great career. Much more will be asked of him going forward. He's got to meet the challenge. I think he will, but many never get there.

Plummer, Leftwich, RG3, Freeman, A Smith, Foles, Bulger, Tannehill, Carr's brother.....I've seen this before, and those guys didn't have anywhere near the lottery ticket Dak has with this personnel.

Dude, you have very little understanding of statistics if you believe what you wrote in this post. Stats are more reliable than "because I said so" "or because I can see it with my own eyes" because they are unbiased. Advanced stats do a great job of accounting for differences in personnel and other outside factors.

None of the QBs you just mentioned had a season on par with the one Dak just put together in 2016. (Bulger comes closest)

 

[ScipioCowboy]

No, Dak is a scrabbler by nature.

No, he's really not.

 

[Section446]

*sigh*

 

[JoeKing]

No, he's really not.

Here is his scouting report out of college:
STRENGTH... Threat with his legs, scoring 37 rushing touchdowns over last three seasons and had 94 rushes of ten yards or more during that time. Can be used as goal-line rushing option. Willing to extend plays
WEAKNESS... Pocket poise has been compromised. Hyper aware of pressure around him and lacks awareness to slide and find temporary shelter to make throw. Concern over pressure too often trumps ability to get through progressions.

Since being drafted by the Cowboys, Dak has been coached up to be a better pocket passer because it is his weakness. His nature is to scamble with the ball and was even considered a goal line rusher by some pro scouts.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

Here is his scouting report out of college:
STRENGTH... Threat with his legs, scoring 37 rushing touchdowns over last three seasons and had 94 rushes of ten yards or more during that time. Can be used as goal-line rushing option. Willing to extend plays
WEAKNESS... Pocket poise has been compromised. Hyper aware of pressure around him and lacks awareness to slide and find temporary shelter to make throw. Concern over pressure too often trumps ability to get through progressions.

Since being drafted by the Cowboys, Dak has been coached up to be a better pocket passer because it is his weakness. His nature is to scamble with the ball and was even considered a goal line rusher by some pro scouts.

I'm more talking about what happened last year than his scouting report out of college.

Thanks for the contribution, though.

 

[JoeKing]

I'm more talking about what happened last year than his scouting report out of college.

Thanks for the contribution, though.

Last year didn't just happen. Dak may been a surprise to many last year but what he did was expected by those who have followed his career. It's not his play that was the shocker, it was his ascendancy to the top. The starting QB spot was not expected to be available to him in his rookie season. Those that have followed his career know he's a scrambler with great coachability. Pocket passing is not his forte so I credit the coaching he has received in college and certainly in Dallas for making him seem like its second nature. He has to keep working on that skill or he will revert back to his nature as a scrambler.

 

[Diehardblues]

It's an absurd argument. But we have an absurd fan base. The most unknowledgeable of any fan base in any sport.

Reading these forums for 10 years I might have to agree. But that wasn't my experience before as I felt at least who I was around and in contact with were on the most part studies of the game.

And there are a few on these forums which are studies but not the majority which are more casual which is fine as long as they recognize which in my personal life I think most I know do but the impersonal nature of the internet empowers everyone with an equal voice .

A big part of the problem is we have such a large segment of our fan base which aren't local which means they don't have as much access to all of the info or able to watch all of the games .

I've been to several NFL venues on the road and rarely ran into opposing fans who were from across the country. They had lived and breathed their local team practically since birth similar to most of the fans I know here locally.