Dak & Rush Stats

[rnr_honeybadger]

What the numbers prove is that you took a complete @zz whooping on your analysis of how good Dak Prescott was and could be.

Actually what the numbers prove is that over an entire season of playing in a horrible conference makes people look good. The real proof of how good Dak is can be seen when you isolate games played against the Broncos, Chiefs, Arizona and the 49-ers and how much the offense struggled. Last year the complaint was - well if only the defense could get a stop. Okay well this year the defense gets the stop and the offense continues to be sucky in the first game. Rinse and repeat. Not to worry though, I'm sure Dak will wrack up some stats against a few of the minnows of the league

 

[CowboyRoy]

Actually what the numbers prove is that over an entire season of playing in a horrible conference makes people look good. The real proof of how good Dak is can be seen when you isolate games played against the Broncos, Chiefs, Arizona and the 49-ers and how much the offense struggled. Last year the complaint was - well if only the defense could get a stop. Okay well this year the defense gets the stop and the offense continues to be sucky in the first game. Rinse and repeat. Not to worry though, I'm sure Dak will wrack up some stats against a few of the minnows of the league

Those numbers include the good games and the bad games there buddy. You got your @ZZ kicked. Go back to bed troll!

 

[Bobhaze]

If Cowboys fans want to judge Dak unfavorably, there is at least a large body of work to look at. And that body of work is actually very good with a 53-33 record as a starter, and career TD-Int ration of 143-51, which is excellent.

I do understand this- in his 7th year at a starting QB we have one playoff win. I get that, although I also believe the QB position gets way too much credit and way too much blame. That’s just the way it’s always been with QBs. Dak and this team are long overdue for some playoff success, so I get the criticism from that angle.

But I also think it’s important for fans to realize Cooper Rush has started 4 games. Four. And he’s looked very good while playing. But it’s not nearly enough of a sample size to simply say he’s worthy of taking over as the starter even after Dak is healthy.

If you’ve watched NFL football long enough you know that defensive coordinators in this league are building a “book” on Cooper Rush and how to take away what he likes to do. It usually takes 4-6 games before defenses start adjusting to a QBs strengths and tendencies. Cooper Rush is going to start seeing some different looks from defenses and he will then have an ever bigger chance to show something.

I’m glad we’re winning first and foremost. And I’m loyal first to the win column over any player. But I’m also a little Leary of thinking Cooper Rush is more than a good backup QB. His sample size is way too small to go beyond that yet IMO.

 

[TheDude]

What a cherry picked analysis. no person with 1 year stats would see these variables as statistically relevant or dependent. And I think Dak is better QB.

Why not just compare 2022.
Dak: 3 pts per game
Rush 22 pts per game.

More relevant than 2020 w/ Dalton

 

[CowboyFrog]

Actually what the numbers prove is that over an entire season of playing in a horrible conference makes people look good. The real proof of how good Dak is can be seen when you isolate games played against the Broncos, Chiefs, Arizona and the 49-ers and how much the offense struggled. Last year the complaint was - well if only the defense could get a stop. Okay well this year the defense gets the stop and the offense continues to be sucky in the first game. Rinse and repeat. Not to worry though, I'm sure Dak will wrack up some stats against a few of the minnows of the league

"Isolate" lol hmm how come you didnt "Isolate" the NE game the Chargers game or the Buccs game from last year? Saints game? Panthers game? hmm i wonder why. 1st philly game?

 

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

• Stats for Dak & Rush
  • The stats point to Dak being a really good QB.
  • The stats point to Rush being a backup QB with an elite defense.

• The Cowboys in 2021:
  • 1st in points scored
  • 2nd in passing yards
  • 3rd in passing TDs
  • 4th in Net Yards per Pass Attempt

• Team Points per Game
  • Rush
    • Rush starts in 2021: 20
    • Rush starts in 2022: 22.7
  • Dak
    • Dak starts in 2021: 32
    • Dak starts in 2021 close score games: 29
      • Score difference of less than 10 points.

• Defensive Help in 2022 Wins
  • 14.3 points per game allowed in 2022 wins
  • 28.2 points per game allowed in 2021 losses

• The Cowboys in 2020 (Dak vs other Backups)
  • Leading the league in passing yards at the point that Dak was injured.
  • ~300 yards ahead of the 2nd place team in total yards for the 5 games with Dak.
  • 32.6 points per game with Dak
  • 21.1 points per game without Dak (Andy Dalton at QB)

If someone can't see that Dak is the better QB, then post like this one isn't going to help them. It's an opinion thing as to whose better anyway. No use in trying to get someone to change their opinions. Plus some guys just want anybody but Dak.

 

[irishline]

If Cowboys fans want to judge Dak unfavorably, there is at least a large body of work to look at. And that body of work is actually very good with a 53-33 record as a starter, and career TD-Int ration of 143-51, which is excellent.

I do understand this- in his 7th year at a starting QB we have one playoff win. I get that, although I also believe the QB position gets way too much credit and way too much blame.

While I completely agree with what you are saying, I find if ironic that in your first paragraph you allude to his 53-33 regular season record as a starter as a reason as to why he is good. Then in the second paragraph state the QB position gets way too much credit and blame for wins and losses.

Just a little odd to have that back to back. Again, I agree with the premise of what you are saying so please don't take that as an attack. Just the age long question of are wins really a QB stat or not (I understand they are considered so, but football to me really is the quintessential team sport)

I’m glad we’re winning first and foremost. And I’m loyal first to the win column over any player. But I’m also a little Leary of thinking Cooper Rush is more than a good backup QB. His sample size is way too small to go beyond that yet IMO.

Completely agree. We need to use the same game plan with Dak when he gets back and see how it goes. You would think better than what Rush is doing.

 

[xwalker]

If someone can't see that Dak is the better QB, then post like this one isn't going to help them. It's an opinion thing as to whose better anyway. No use in trying to get someone to change their opinions. Plus some guys just want anybody but Dak.

Agree.

Normally I wouldn't bother posting facts for the Dak haters; however, Rush winning has many involved that are not the normal Dak haters.

I posted this for those that might are impressed with Rush but that might be interested in the facts.

 

[Bobhaze]

While I completely agree with what you are saying, I find if ironic that in your first paragraph you allude to his 53-33 record as a starter as a reason as to why he is good. Then in the second paragraph state that only one playoff win is because the QB position gets way too much credit and blame for wins and losses.

Just a little odd to have that back to back. Again, I agree with the premise of what you are saying so please don't take that as an attack. Just the age long question of are wins a QB stat or not.



Completely agree. We need to use the same game plan with Dak when he gets back and see how it goes. You would think better than what Rush is doing.

I understand what you’re saying and that’s a fair point. I was mentioning Dak’s record as a starter mainly as a way to show his 88 game stat sample compared to Cooper Rush’s 4 games. But your point is well taken.

I’m not “pro-Dak”, “anti-Dak”, or “pro or anti Cooper Rush”. I’m pro- Cowboys winning. My loyalty is to the win column.

 

[gimmesix]

• Stats for Dak & Rush
  • The stats point to Dak being a really good QB.
  • The stats point to Rush being a backup QB with an elite defense.

• The Cowboys in 2021:
  • 1st in points scored
  • 2nd in passing yards
  • 3rd in passing TDs
  • 4th in Net Yards per Pass Attempt

• Team Points per Game
  • Rush
    • Rush starts in 2021: 20
    • Rush starts in 2022: 22.7
  • Dak
    • Dak starts in 2021: 32
    • Dak starts in 2021 close score games: 29
      • Score difference of less than 10 points.

• Defensive Help in 2022 Wins
  • 14.3 points per game allowed in 2022 wins
  • 28.2 points per game allowed in 2021 losses

• The Cowboys in 2020 (Dak vs other Backups)
  • Leading the league in passing yards at the point that Dak was injured.
  • ~300 yards ahead of the 2nd place team in total yards for the 5 games with Dak.
  • 32.6 points per game with Dak
  • 21.1 points per game without Dak (Andy Dalton at QB)

Curious if you'd have numbers on Dak the second half of last year vs. the first half of last year. My main concern with him right now is that he hasn't really looked like that "really good QB" since the calf injury. I don't know if the stats back that up, but his stats on ESPN show that his QBR was never lower than 35 until the Denver game, then he had a 22, 11 and 12 over the final 10 games. His rating was only under 100 once during the first six games, but was below 100 five times in the last 10. He did have a few standout games in the last 10.

And, of course, this year he started out with a terrible game against Tampa.

 

[irishline]

I understand what you’re saying and that’s a fair point. I was mentioning Dak’s record as a starter mainly as a way to show his 88 game stat sample compared to Cooper Rush’s 4 games. But your point is well taken.

I’m not “pro-Dak”, “anti-Dak”, or “pro or anti Cooper Rush”. I’m pro- Cowboys winning. My loyalty is to the win column.

I am right there with you. I don't care who is running the ship, I just want the ship to win.

My point was merely the back and forth there is on that one particular stat. Case is point: Quincy Carter. Is he the horrible 6-11 quarterback he was under Dave Campo or the 10-6 one he was under Bill Parcells? There is just so much that goes into it that to use that as an indicator for one player (even the QB) can skew things. Did Quincy get better? Was it coaching? Was it the team around him? Probably all of it (truthfully), though I tend to think he didn't improve as much as the things around him did.

That said I do understand why they use it.

 

[FanofJerry]

If Cowboys fans want to judge Dak unfavorably, there is at least a large body of work to look at. And that body of work is actually very good with a 53-33 record as a starter, and career TD-Int ration of 143-51, which is excellent.

I do understand this- in his 7th year at a starting QB we have one playoff win. I get that, although I also believe the QB position gets way too much credit and way too much blame. That’s just the way it’s always been with QBs. Dak and this team are long overdue for some playoff success, so I get the criticism from that angle.

But I also think it’s important for fans to realize Cooper Rush has started 4 games. Four. And he’s looked very good while playing. But it’s not nearly enough of a sample size to simply say he’s worthy of taking over as the starter even after Dak is healthy.

If you’ve watched NFL football long enough you know that defensive coordinators in this league are building a “book” on Cooper Rush and how to take away what he likes to do. It usually takes 4-6 games before defenses start adjusting to a QBs strengths and tendencies. Cooper Rush is going to start seeing some different looks from defenses and he will then have an ever bigger chance to show something.

I’m glad we’re winning first and foremost. And I’m loyal first to the win column over any player. But I’m also a little Leary of thinking Cooper Rush is more than a good backup QB. His sample size is way too small to go beyond that yet IMO.

Im not trying to argue over every little detail...

But what doesnt make sense in this post is that you said it takes 4-6 games for coordinators to start flustering QBs they dont have much info on...if thats the case...why has it taken 6 years for teams to figure out zone is Dak's supposed kryptonite? This is if you believe the constant posts on here claiming Denver figured him out and every team is running zone on him now and his efficiency tumbled. According to some...zone has started to be used widespread by all teams on defense starting last year. So I dont know if this zone is aimed at Dak or its a coincidence of the zone being used widespread starting last year(if true). Regardless...why would it take 6 years to figure this out on Dak...in a multi-Billion dollar industry with coordinators getting paid millions per year. Seems odd to me.

 

[Verdict]

• Stats for Dak & Rush
  • The stats point to Dak being a really good QB.
  • The stats point to Rush being a backup QB with an elite defense.

• The Cowboys in 2021:
  • 1st in points scored
  • 2nd in passing yards
  • 3rd in passing TDs
  • 4th in Net Yards per Pass Attempt

• Team Points per Game
  • Rush
    • Rush starts in 2021: 20
    • Rush starts in 2022: 22.7
  • Dak
    • Dak starts in 2021: 32
    • Dak starts in 2021 close score games: 29
      • Score difference of less than 10 points.

• Defensive Help in 2022 Wins
  • 14.3 points per game allowed in 2022 wins
  • 28.2 points per game allowed in 2021 losses

• The Cowboys in 2020 (Dak vs other Backups)
  • Leading the league in passing yards at the point that Dak was injured.
  • ~300 yards ahead of the 2nd place team in total yards for the 5 games with Dak.
  • 32.6 points per game with Dak
  • 21.1 points per game without Dak (Andy Dalton at QB)

No knocking your post at all. The team has more upside with Dak assuming he is “good Dak” (first half of last season) and not “Bad Dak” (second half of last season.)

Dak has had some really nice games. Against the better teams he tends to throw stinkers. Would really like to see Dak get it together against the better teams. Don’t know how much of that is KM.

 

[Verdict]

k. You might as well stop responding to my every post because I told you I'm done with your incessant immaturity.

If you want to continue seeking me out, DM me and I'll tell you how I really feel.

I don’t know why he insists on being so abrasive. Disagreeing is fine —but man.

 

[USArmyVet]

Waiting for basement GM eye test and other reasons and excuses.

Clearly who needs to be the starter though as to scoring. Last years 1st 5 game Dak with this years defense. Could be lethal. Goodell and Mara will be making up rules as they play.

Not exactly an unbiased Mod position.

 

[xwalker]

Actually what the numbers prove is that over an entire season of playing in a horrible conference makes people look good. The real proof of how good Dak is can be seen when you isolate games played against the Broncos, Chiefs, Arizona and the 49-ers and how much the offense struggled. Last year the complaint was - well if only the defense could get a stop. Okay well this year the defense gets the stop and the offense continues to be sucky in the first game. Rinse and repeat. Not to worry though, I'm sure Dak will wrack up some stats against a few of the minnows of the league

The opponent scores in all but 1 loss from 2021 are higher than the average scores by Dallas in the 2022 games with Rush at QB...

i.e. They've won with Rush because of the defense.

They scored 20 with Rush at QB in 2021.

One game with Dak in 2022 is too small of a sample size to be statistically relevant. There were 16 games in 2021 for Dak.

 

[jwooten15]

I don’t know why he insists on being so abrasive. Disagreeing is fine —but man.

Gets really really old, man.

I welcome healthy debate, but he makes it impossible.

 

[xwalker]

What a cherry picked analysis. no person with 1 year stats would see these variables as statistically relevant or dependent. And I think Dak is better QB.

Why not just compare 2022.
Dak: 3 pts per game
Rush 22 pts per game.

More relevant than 2020 w/ Dalton

A sample size of 1 is never statistically relevant.

 

[USArmyVet]

• Stats for Dak & Rush
  • The stats point to Dak being a really good QB.
  • The stats point to Rush being a backup QB with an elite defense.

• The Cowboys in 2021:
  • 1st in points scored
  • 2nd in passing yards
  • 3rd in passing TDs
  • 4th in Net Yards per Pass Attempt

• Team Points per Game
  • Rush
    • Rush starts in 2021: 20
    • Rush starts in 2022: 22.7
  • Dak
    • Dak starts in 2021: 32
    • Dak starts in 2021 close score games: 29
      • Score difference of less than 10 points.

• Defensive Help in 2022 Wins
  • 14.3 points per game allowed in 2022 wins
  • 28.2 points per game allowed in 2021 losses

• The Cowboys in 2020 (Dak vs other Backups)
  • Leading the league in passing yards at the point that Dak was injured.
  • ~300 yards ahead of the 2nd place team in total yards for the 5 games with Dak.
  • 32.6 points per game with Dak
  • 21.1 points per game without Dak (Andy Dalton at QB)

Easy to list basic stats to steer toward Dak being better but look closer at the games where Dak did nothing for 3 quarters then scored a lot of points in the 4th quarter only to still lose the game. The fact is the offense is being managed in a quality way by Rush and he recognizes what his role is and is allowing the running game and defense to be the focus.

 

[jazzcat22]

Not exactly an unbiased Mod position.

What does that have to do with anything. Is is a fans position. As well as the truth.