Dak & Rush Stats

[Rockport]

I understand the intent behind these posts. At face value, the numbers should theoretically "prove" that Dak will do better than Rush currently is.

But a lot of people here are unwilling to acknowledge that something is mentally and/or mechanically wrong with Dak.

He hasn't been nearly as effective (in general, with the exception of a couple games late in the 2021 regular season) since the Denver game last year.

And that lack of confidence/ability bled over into 2022. THAT is my main concern. He couldn't muster more than a FG against a defense that just gave up 41 points.

Does previous versions of Dak have the ability to step in and start scoring 30 ppg? Of course. But current Dak isn't THAT Dak, in my opinion.

That's not me being a hater, it's me giving my honest assessment. I WANT Dak to come in and dominate, like a lot of you say he will. But I don't think he can.

 

[Rockport]

Depends on which Dak we get back:
First 6 games of last season: elite Dak.
Last 12 games Dak very up and down.

 

[USArmyVet]

Of course you put your own spin to things leaving out that Dak was 6-5 including the playoff loss to SF and 6-6 his last 12 games (including opening week loss to TB this season).

 

[speedkilz88]

I think most of us (with a few exceptions, or people pretending to be exceptions) realize Rush is, at best, a very good backup. The problem is that a very good backup seems to have outplayed the starter so far, in the limited snaps Dak had.

No he didn't. Rush looked just as bad against Tampa Bay then he played defenses that aren't nearly as good and scored 20-25 pts a game.

 

[Runwildboys]

No he didn't. Rush looked just as bad against Tampa Bay then he played defenses that aren't nearly as good and scored 20-25 pts a game.

Well, if you compare their stats, the ratio is nearly identical, except Dak threw an int. and Rush didn't. Considering he didn't have time to get a rhythm going, I'm giving the edge to Cooper.

 

[zerofill]

If Cowboys fans want to judge Dak unfavorably, there is at least a large body of work to look at. And that body of work is actually very good with a 53-33 record as a starter, and career TD-Int ration of 143-51, which is excellent.

I do understand this- in his 7th year at a starting QB we have one playoff win. I get that, although I also believe the QB position gets way too much credit and way too much blame. That’s just the way it’s always been with QBs. Dak and this team are long overdue for some playoff success, so I get the criticism from that angle.

But I also think it’s important for fans to realize Cooper Rush has started 4 games. Four. And he’s looked very good while playing. But it’s not nearly enough of a sample size to simply say he’s worthy of taking over as the starter even after Dak is healthy.

If you’ve watched NFL football long enough you know that defensive coordinators in this league are building a “book” on Cooper Rush and how to take away what he likes to do. It usually takes 4-6 games before defenses start adjusting to a QBs strengths and tendencies. Cooper Rush is going to start seeing some different looks from defenses and he will then have an ever bigger chance to show something.

I’m glad we’re winning first and foremost. And I’m loyal first to the win column over any player. But I’m also a little Leary of thinking Cooper Rush is more than a good backup QB. His sample size is way too small to go beyond that yet IMO.

You are right, the sample size is small. The reality is, he could implode at any time. Who knows... I mean this is the Dallas Cowboys we are talking about haha.

But, the things I see in Rush that are positives, are the things that drive me insane with Dak.

1) Decisive - Rush is going to throw the ball period. He looks, makes a decision, and it is final. On quick timed throws, I think he would literally throw it to the defenders if the receiver isn't where he is supposed to be. Because he is following the play as it was drawn out period.

Dak no matter how much some people here love him, have to admit he second guesses himself. He is not quick at getting the ball out. He doesn't trust the receiver will be where he is supposed to be on many timed passes. Those timed passes end up with late throws because he wants to see them actually make the break, etc... Also, I actually think Dak tries to be something he is not, and it gets him into trouble. He isn't Patrick Mahomes, and he never will be. I don't care if he plays another 15 years.

Rush typically if it ain't there, it ain't there... and he will throw it away. (Except for that stupid throw he made on one leg off balance that would have been an int if not for the penalty)

2) Watch Rush step up into the pocket and make a throw even when he knows he is going to get hit. I don't think Dak is actually afraid to be hit, but I think he has an internal clock issue on thinking that the hit is coming sooner than it is.

Rush sucks at running... Dak was good at running, and he frigging refuses to run.

I had the same stuff happen with my leg... I could show the x-ray and say it was Dak's and people would believe me it was so identical.

So, mentally it took me over a year to trust that leg again. Probably 2 years before it completely left my mind.

I don't have a team of people helping me like Dak though. If I did, that mental issue probably would have been gone way faster.

The fact that it seems he does not want to run, would take the sack first, is maddening.

3) I honestly think Dak audibles out of runs and into passes. I don't know if it is because he thinks he is that good, or he really can't read defenses well, and they fool him often. I don't believe this play calling has completely changed for Rush at all.

4) Rush is good at leading a receiver.

Do I think Rush is a starter? Not really... I think he has a pretty high football IQ, but I am not so sure about the physical tools.

I think mentally he is superior to Dak.

Physically Dak wins that one. I mean in reality his leg and his thumb are freak accidents.


But, like I said before... You have 1 QB that wasn't drafted, and plays far and above his contract.

You have another one that makes you scratch your head, on why he gets paid as much as he does.

 

[FanofJerry]

You are right, the sample size is small. The reality is, he could implode at any time. Who knows... I mean this is the Dallas Cowboys we are talking about haha.

But, the things I see in Rush that are positives, are the things that drive me insane with Dak.

1) Decisive - Rush is going to throw the ball period. He looks, makes a decision, and it is final. On quick timed throws, I think he would literally throw it to the defenders if the receiver isn't where he is supposed to be. Because he is following the play as it was drawn out period.

Dak no matter how much some people here love him, have to admit he second guesses himself. He is not quick at getting the ball out. He doesn't trust the receiver will be where he is supposed to be on many timed passes. Those timed passes end up with late throws because he wants to see them actually make the break, etc... Also, I actually think Dak tries to be something he is not, and it gets him into trouble. He isn't Patrick Mahomes, and he never will be. I don't care if he plays another 15 years.

Rush typically if it ain't there, it ain't there... and he will throw it away. (Except for that stupid throw he made on one leg off balance that would have been an int if not for the penalty)

2) Watch Rush step up into the pocket and make a throw even when he knows he is going to get hit. I don't think Dak is actually afraid to be hit, but I think he has an internal clock issue on thinking that the hit is coming sooner than it is.

Rush sucks at running... Dak was good at running, and he frigging refuses to run.

I had the same stuff happen with my leg... I could show the x-ray and say it was Dak's and people would believe me it was so identical.

So, mentally it took me over a year to trust that leg again. Probably 2 years before it completely left my mind.

I don't have a team of people helping me like Dak though. If I did, that mental issue probably would have been gone way faster.

The fact that it seems he does not want to run, would take the sack first, is maddening.

3) I honestly think Dak audibles out of runs and into passes. I don't know if it is because he thinks he is that good, or he really can't read defenses well, and they fool him often. I don't believe this play calling has completely changed for Rush at all.

4) Rush is good at leading a receiver.

Do I think Rush is a starter? Not really... I think he has a pretty high football IQ, but I am not so sure about the physical tools.

I think mentally he is superior to Dak.

Physically Dak wins that one. I mean in reality his leg and his thumb are freak accidents.


But, like I said before... You have 1 QB that wasn't drafted, and plays far and above his contract.

You have another one that makes you scratch your head, on why he gets paid as much as he does.

I dont have All-22 or I would rewatch games...but the above highlighted claim I think needs to be made into a multiple game video review of Dak with Dak double-pumping/second guessing/waiting for receiver to come open on many multiple occasions per for me to believe its a major problem. Everyone is claiming it but no one is providing necessary proof.

I agree that I do see Dak double-pump the ball sometimes as if he wasnt quite sure of something...I also agree it seems like Rush is getting the ball out quicker than Dak...but I cant prove it even if it was actually true.

Doing it a couple times a game doesnt equal a major problem, imo...QB's throw like 30 times a game. How many times is this happening per game?

 

[starfan1]

It was called The Ranch before being purchased by media guy Mike Fisher. He changed the name.

Your posts remind me of that poster.

Maybe @leeblair or @Floatyworm remember him.

Or Anthony 8 I think it was

 

[khiladi]

I meant defensive turnovers which aided the team last year.

Yep.. the first 4 games last year, the defense generated a whopping 10 TOs and ended with 35, while right now they are at 4. That’s a plus 6 TO differential in 4 games..

 

[khiladi]

Of course you put your own spin to things leaving out that Dak was 6-5 including the playoff loss to SF and 6-6 his last 12 games (including opening week loss to TB this season).

And the fact those numbers were basically against the JV Eagles team and Commanders who were eliminated from the playoffs and didn’t care and the games had zero implications for the Cowboys in reality, other than to pad stats..

Dak threw one of the worst pick 6s against the Commanders in the first game they played during that stretch and was arguably the worst Cowboys player on the field and he completely sucked against the Saints as well, where he had to outplay a third string QB with like a broken hand…. He only threw 1 TD thar game, Pollard had like a 58 yard TD and Watkins had a pick 6, while Dak was only mustering FGs. And against Murray, he was owned..

Dak is as average as it gets..

 

[Pass2Run]

Daks worst games have come against the toughest competition which indicates that he doesn't have the fight in him to go up against the tough opponent. Yea he's good to beat up on the Giants of the world, but put him up against a decent defense and he falls apart like a millennial who has been told to clean his room.

I'm not sure if he does or doesn't.

But my biggest knock on Dak has always been that he can't beat the good teams.

King bum beater.

 

[Rockport]

Of course you put your own spin to things leaving out that Dak was 6-5 including the playoff loss to SF and 6-6 his last 12 games (including opening week loss to TB this season).

All Daks fault huh?

 

[Pass2Run]

Actually what the numbers prove is that over an entire season of playing in a horrible conference makes people look good. The real proof of how good Dak is can be seen when you isolate games played against the Broncos, Chiefs, Arizona and the 49-ers and how much the offense struggled. Last year the complaint was - well if only the defense could get a stop. Okay well this year the defense gets the stop and the offense continues to be sucky in the first game. Rinse and repeat. Not to worry though, I'm sure Dak will wrack up some stats against a few of the minnows of the league

What people forget is that we let Cooper walk to save $20 million. I like that move, actually, because I think Gallup can get as much if not more yards in this offense as Cooper (say what you want). And he's more of a clutch, team player type.

The type of person Gallup is is why he's even here. And the type of person Amari is is why he was allowed to walk.

It's going to take some time for this offense to get together. I'd say around game 10 or so. But by then, the QB situation and all of that should be figured out, either way.

What I'm happy about is that we have options. It's not an either or situation. We have two QBs. And the Cowboys should always keep that in mind if one of them starts to stink it up, you have the other.

 

[Denim Chicken]

Well, youre getting there at leat

How about the a 3 game sample? Is that enough? Can i cherry pick 3 losses in 2017 when dak went 11 quarters w/out a TD on offense? Or that vaunted 4 game stetch in 2020 when he had 4 INTs and went 1-3

This isnt baseball. What happened this year is Dak had all offseason and came out to lay 3 points against tampa and some 10 qbr rating....tamoa who just got lit up by mahomes for 41.

If you want to say dak is better running, escaping tackles, better slant or out routes fine, he probably is a better qb

But using a 4 game sample in 2020 to bury a guy not on the roster in 2020 and who had no 1st team reps in 2022 just to fanboi is a reach to use numbers that are meaningless

Tampa's defense is better than anything Rush has faced. We also had the most penalties of the year that game. First game with the ol playing together, Tyler at LT and and McGovern going out after a few snaps. Lowest run attempts.

But yeah, let's pretend it's the same situation Ruah has played with

 

[Captain-Crash]

yeah, chicken head.

 

[DFWJC]

• Stats for Dak & Rush
  • The stats point to Dak being a really good QB.
  • The stats point to Rush being a backup QB with an elite defense.

• The Cowboys in 2021:
  • 1st in points scored
  • 2nd in passing yards
  • 3rd in passing TDs
  • 4th in Net Yards per Pass Attempt

• Team Points per Game
  • Rush
    • Rush starts in 2021: 20
    • Rush starts in 2022: 22.7
  • Dak
    • Dak starts in 2021: 32
    • Dak starts in 2021 close score games: 29
      • Score difference of less than 10 points.

• Defensive Help in 2022 Wins
  • 14.3 points per game allowed in 2022 wins
  • 28.2 points per game allowed in 2021 losses

• The Cowboys in 2020 (Dak vs other Backups)
  • Leading the league in passing yards at the point that Dak was injured.
  • ~300 yards ahead of the 2nd place team in total yards for the 5 games with Dak.
  • 32.6 points per game with Dak
  • 21.1 points per game without Dak (Andy Dalton at QB)

It's not close.

Our opponents have 4 dropped ints. If even 2 of those are caught (or the ones caught not overturned) we are 1-2 the last three games....at best.
Folks need to get some perspective.
Be thankful that Rush has driven the bus and defense has dominated.
Good job Rush. But Dak is much better.

 

[TheDude]

No he didn't. Rush looked just as bad against Tampa Bay then he played defenses that aren't nearly as good and scored 20-25 pts a game.

Dis rush gwt any work

Tampa's defense is better than anything Rush has faced. We also had the most penalties of the year that game. First game with the ol playing together, Tyler at LT and and McGovern going out after a few snaps. Lowest run attempts.

But yeah, let's pretend it's the same situation Ruah has played with

Grab your ladder, the point went over your head.

Even the refutation you thought you were making is bogus, Cincy is a top 10 defense and allows fewest TDs per drive.

https://www.___GET_REAL_URL___/s/ww...s-2022-1-32-poll-rating-defenses?platform=amp

 

[TheDude]

No he didn't. Rush looked just as bad against Tampa Bay then he played defenses that aren't nearly as good and scored 20-25 pts a game.

Cincy is a top 10 defense

 

[speedkilz88]

Well, if you compare their stats, the ratio is nearly identical, except Dak threw an int. and Rush didn't. Considering he didn't have time to get a rhythm going, I'm giving the edge to Cooper.

Your edge is absolute bs.

 

[speedkilz88]

Cincy is a top 10 defense

And still not nearly as good as Tampa Bay. Rush was horrible in that game.