Dak & Rush Stats

[CowboyFrog]

Easy to list basic stats to steer toward Dak being better but look closer at the games where Dak did nothing for 3 quarters then scored a lot of points in the 4th quarter only to still lose the game. The fact is the offense is being managed in a quality way by Rush and he recognizes what his role is and is allowing the running game and defense to be the focus.

So you think the defense is playing better because we are scoring less with Rush? come on man again like him dont like him fine...but with this defense you want the better QB to play and Dak is the better QB...you dont like Field goals with Dak but with Rush they are quality offense? it doesnt add up

 

[thunderpimp91]

Curious if you'd have numbers on Dak the second half of last year vs. the first half of last year. My main concern with him right now is that he hasn't really looked like that "really good QB" since the calf injury. I don't know if the stats back that up, but his stats on ESPN show that his QBR was never lower than 35 until the Denver game, then he had a 22, 11 and 12 over the final 10 games. His rating was only under 100 once during the first six games, but was below 100 five times in the last 10. He did have a few standout games in the last 10.

And, of course, this year he started out with a terrible game against Tampa.

Overall his numbers were still really good the 2nd half, but as you mentioned there were some clunkers in there too. Denver, NO, KC, 1 of the Washington games, and SF were all pretty bad for Dak.

After his missed game against Minnesota Dak last year was at 245ypg 20/6 TD-INT and the team averaged 31PPG (Totals of 16,43,9,33,27,27,21,56,22, and 51)

So on one hand this team put up some monster point totals with Dak after the injury last season, but also had some pretty low totals. YPG was also pretty average and altogether in line with what people are calling bus driver numbers from Rush. TD-INT was phenomenal. Also to note is penalties were much higher last year (and game 1 this year) vs this year. Also important is that the defense had 29 sacks, 5 fumble recoveries, 15INTs, scored 5 TDS, and gave up 22ppg during that stretch as well.

Looking at the post injury Dak last year and having concerns I think is more than valid, and shouldn't just be dismissed as hater talk. It's quite a mixed bag when you really dive into each game, but something was very wrong with the offense last year, and it does nothing for people to hide behind the #1 ranking. It may have been Dak, it may have been poor OL play, it may have been KM, and truth is it's probably some combination of those plus more. The reality is when Dak gets back you may see good Dak or you may see bad Dak. Not sure anyone really knows for sure what to expect there.

 

[gimmesix]

Overall his numbers were still really good the 2nd half, but as you mentioned there were some clunkers in there too. Denver, NO, KC, 1 of the Washington games, and SF were all pretty bad for Dak.

After his missed game against Minnesota Dak last year was at 245ypg 20/6 TD-INT and the team averaged 31PPG (Totals of 16,43,9,33,27,27,21,56,22, and 51)

So on one hand this team put up some monster point totals with Dak after the injury last season, but also had some pretty low totals. YPG was also pretty average and altogether in line with what people are calling bus driver numbers from Rush. TD-INT was phenomenal. Also to note is penalties were much higher last year (and game 1 this year) vs this year. Also important is that the defense had 29 sacks, 5 fumble recoveries, 15INTs, scored 5 TDS, and gave up 22ppg during that stretch as well.

Looking at the post injury Dak last year and having concerns I think is more than valid, and shouldn't just be dismissed as hater talk. It's quite a mixed bag when you really dive into each game, but something was very wrong with the offense last year, and it does nothing for people to hide behind the #1 ranking. It may have been Dak, it may have been poor OL play, it may have been KM, and truth is it's probably some combination of those plus more. The reality is when Dak gets back you may see good Dak or you may see bad Dak. Not sure anyone really knows for sure what to expect there.

Elliott playing hurt didn't help either. There are always multiple factors involved, but a lot of the time, everything gets laid at the QB;s feet.

 

[Nexx]

how about comparing the first four starts of each player career?

 

[USArmyVet]

So you think the defense is playing better because we are scoring less with Rush? come on man again like him dont like him fine...but with this defense you want the better QB to play and Dak is the better QB...you dont like Field goals with Dak but with Rush they are quality offense? it doesnt add up

The defense has played well all season. The difference in scoring is Rush.

 

[thunderpimp91]

Elliott playing hurt didn't help either. There are always multiple factors involved, but a lot of the time, everything gets laid at the QB;s feet.

Very true....Zeke was basically a blocking back who was a liability in the run game last year. It's a tricky subject with a ton of factors built in. I love the debate, but hate the lack of open mindedness on both sides. This is a Jerry 1+1=3 type of equiation.

 

[CowboyFrog]

how about comparing the first four starts of each player career?

did Rush start four games as a Rookie?

 

[TwentyOne]

• Stats for Dak & Rush
  • The stats point to Dak being a really good QB.
  • The stats point to Rush being a backup QB with an elite defense.

• The Cowboys in 2021:
  • 1st in points scored
  • 2nd in passing yards
  • 3rd in passing TDs
  • 4th in Net Yards per Pass Attempt

• Team Points per Game
  • Rush
    • Rush starts in 2021: 20
    • Rush starts in 2022: 22.7
  • Dak
    • Dak starts in 2021: 32
    • Dak starts in 2021 close score games: 29
      • Score difference of less than 10 points.

• Defensive Help in 2022 Wins
  • 14.3 points per game allowed in 2022 wins
  • 28.2 points per game allowed in 2021 losses

• The Cowboys in 2020 (Dak vs other Backups)
  • Leading the league in passing yards at the point that Dak was injured.
  • ~300 yards ahead of the 2nd place team in total yards for the 5 games with Dak.
  • 32.6 points per game with Dak
  • 21.1 points per game without Dak (Andy Dalton at QB)

Your posts smell deliberatly missleading.

For instance:

1. Team per points: You list Rush starts in 2021 AND 2022 but i think deliberatly dont mention the points scored by Dak in 2022. But especially tghe points scored by Dak in 2022 would give your argumentation not the drive it needs.
2. Defense Help in 2022 Wins: YOu list points in 2022 the defense allowed in wins, but then you list the points allowed in 2021 in our losses. I think you posted it this way so the numbers would be higher in 2021 and so prove your point

Overall you tried to prove your point not finding out what really is going on. And you tried to trick a unmindful reader into your opinion by deliberatly chosing the numbers that support your point.

So not much value in your post. Try to convince me with actual good argumentation. Then i will listen.

 

[CowboyFrog]

The defense has played well all season. The difference in scoring is Rush.

The scoring is a negative diference...I'm not even sure how you dont see that...last year Dak hung 40 to 50 on the Giants and Wash.

 

[Nexx]

did Rush start four games as a Rookie?

first four is first four in my book

 

[Hadenough]

• Stats for Dak & Rush
  • The stats point to Dak being a really good QB.
  • The stats point to Rush being a backup QB with an elite defense.

• The Cowboys in 2021:
  • 1st in points scored
  • 2nd in passing yards
  • 3rd in passing TDs
  • 4th in Net Yards per Pass Attempt

• Team Points per Game
  • Rush
    • Rush starts in 2021: 20
    • Rush starts in 2022: 22.7
  • Dak
    • Dak starts in 2021: 32
    • Dak starts in 2021 close score games: 29
      • Score difference of less than 10 points.

• Defensive Help in 2022 Wins
  • 14.3 points per game allowed in 2022 wins
  • 28.2 points per game allowed in 2021 losses

• The Cowboys in 2020 (Dak vs other Backups)
  • Leading the league in passing yards at the point that Dak was injured.
  • ~300 yards ahead of the 2nd place team in total yards for the 5 games with Dak.
  • 32.6 points per game with Dak
  • 21.1 points per game without Dak (Andy Dalton at QB)

You forgot one important stat. The team plays harder for Rush!

 

[USArmyVet]

The scoring is a negative diference...I'm not even sure how you dont see that...last year Dak hung 40 to 50 on the Giants and Wash.

...and how did he do outside the NFC East? How did he do in the playoffs?

 

[Hadenough]

Daks worst games have come against the toughest competition which indicates that he doesn't have the fight in him to go up against the tough opponent. Yea he's good to beat up on the Giants of the world, but put him up against a decent defense and he falls apart like a millennial who has been told to clean his room.

Bingo! Stats are worthless when you stink against better competition but blow out trash teams. Watching the 49ers beat the Rams I was thinking Jimmy G isn't anything special but all he does is win.

 

[Runwildboys]

Agree.

Normally I wouldn't bother posting facts for the Dak haters; however, Rush winning has many involved that are not the normal Dak haters.

I posted this for those that might are impressed with Rush but that might be interested in the facts.

I think most of us (with a few exceptions, or people pretending to be exceptions) realize Rush is, at best, a very good backup. The problem is that a very good backup seems to have outplayed the starter so far, in the limited snaps Dak had.

 

[Runwildboys]

k. You might as well stop responding to my every post because I told you I'm done with your incessant immaturity.

If you want to continue seeking me out, DM me and I'll tell you how I really feel.

Whoever you're responding to, just put him on ignore. Apparently I did, and it's much more pleasant that way.

 

[rnr_honeybadger]

"Isolate" lol hmm how come you didnt "Isolate" the NE game the Chargers game or the Buccs game from last year? Saints game? Panthers game? hmm i wonder why. 1st philly game?

With the exception of Denver the remainder of the teams were all playoff teams. I call out Denver because in the 2021 season that would be the game where it seems like the wheels fell off the offense and it has never looked right after that. They tried to instill some confidence in the narrative by hanging 50 points on the Eagles Practice Squad but by then the news was out and it seems at least from the 1 game sample against Tampa that the offense led by Dak still seems to be struggling.

 

[Bobhaze]

Im not trying to argue over every little detail...

But what doesnt make sense in this post is that you said it takes 4-6 games for coordinators to start flustering QBs they dont have much info on...if thats the case...why has it taken 6 years for teams to figure out zone is Dak's supposed kryptonite? This is if you believe the constant posts on here claiming Denver figured him out and every team is running zone on him now and his efficiency tumbled. According to some...zone has started to be used widespread by all teams on defense starting last year. So I dont know if this zone is aimed at Dak or its a coincidence of the zone being used widespread starting last year(if true). Regardless...why would it take 6 years to figure this out on Dak...in a multi-Billion dollar industry with coordinators getting paid millions per year. Seems odd to me.

Good questions. I think some DCs started getting a book on Dak as early as mid-season of 2016. Remember the giants and vikes began using a tight two deep safety zone in games in 2016 where they were able to frustrate Dak.

To Dak’s credit, he worked on improving his game and we saw lots of growth in his ability to burn defenses between 2017-2020. Then he had the horrible injury. His return in 2021 had some excellent games early on. Then the calf injury…then the Denver game and the last half of last season. He has certainly under-performed where he had been in early 2020 and early 2021. Is it DCs doing more to take his strengths away? Is it Dak’s struggle to come back from injury? Is it a case of not regaining his confidence? I don’t know.

 

[G2]

A sample size of 1 is never statistically relevant.

Not to mention that literally every position group played better after the Tampa game. And kept improving. The defense is insane!
So that garbage performance was an outlier. Dak has a couple stinkers as they all do, but they're few and far between.

 

[okstateCowboy]

If Cowboys fans want to judge Dak unfavorably, there is at least a large body of work to look at. And that body of work is actually very good with a 53-33 record as a starter, and career TD-Int ration of 143-51, which is excellent.

I do understand this- in his 7th year at a starting QB we have one playoff win. I get that, although I also believe the QB position gets way too much credit and way too much blame. That’s just the way it’s always been with QBs. Dak and this team are long overdue for some playoff success, so I get the criticism from that angle.

But I also think it’s important for fans to realize Cooper Rush has started 4 games. Four. And he’s looked very good while playing. But it’s not nearly enough of a sample size to simply say he’s worthy of taking over as the starter even after Dak is healthy.

If you’ve watched NFL football long enough you know that defensive coordinators in this league are building a “book” on Cooper Rush and how to take away what he likes to do. It usually takes 4-6 games before defenses start adjusting to a QBs strengths and tendencies. Cooper Rush is going to start seeing some different looks from defenses and he will then have an ever bigger chance to show something.

I’m glad we’re winning first and foremost. And I’m loyal first to the win column over any player. But I’m also a little Leary of thinking Cooper Rush is more than a good backup QB. His sample size is way too small to go beyond that yet IMO.

This is it 100%. Sample size is everything. 4 games is not nearly enough to justify benching an established quality starter for a 28 year old career backup who has struggled to stay on a roster. It’s similar to dating. We’re still in the honeymoon phase with Rush while we’ve seen 6 years of Dak’s best and worst moments.

That said, I hope Rush continues to succeed as I am a cowboys fan and not a player fan.

 

[TheDude]

A sample size of 1 is never statistically relevant.

Well, youre getting there at leat

How about the a 3 game sample? Is that enough? Can i cherry pick 3 losses in 2017 when dak went 11 quarters w/out a TD on offense? Or that vaunted 4 game stetch in 2020 when he had 4 INTs and went 1-3

This isnt baseball. What happened this year is Dak had all offseason and came out to lay 3 points against tampa and some 10 qbr rating....tamoa who just got lit up by mahomes for 41.

If you want to say dak is better running, escaping tackles, better slant or out routes fine, he probably is a better qb

But using a 4 game sample in 2020 to bury a guy not on the roster in 2020 and who had no 1st team reps in 2022 just to fanboi is a reach to use numbers that are meaningless