Dak should be given two more seasons after this one to win

[ElGatoGrande]

I'm comparing him to Derek Carr who I think is in the same range as Dak talentwise he was benched and is going to be gone after this season, this is Carr's 9th season. Dak in his 7th season threw the same amount of INTs as Carr this season in 5 less games. I'm not saying get rid of Dak now but if he doesn't win this playoffs or the next two it's time to move on. He'll be 30 next summer no team really keeps a QB for 15-20 years that doesn't win it just doesn't happen. At some point you have to show you can win a Super Bowl, that is the entire point of the game not regular season wins or TDs.

As much as I've dogged Dak my real issue is with the sycophant fans that refuse to acknowledge his fatal flaws and also the Jones' who refuse to put together a team Dak can win with. Reality is that elite QBs are rare and QBs like Dak are most often what you end up with, Jerry and co. refuse to focus on the defensive side of the ball and the end result is that serviceable QBs like Dak and Romo are set up to fail.

If a better QB opportunity comes up then you take him, but in the meantime fix that freaking defense and give these guys a chance!

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

If you upgrade.. thats the thing, you could draft one and hit or ya miss and that cycle, regardless of how easy the Madden folks here make it sound is longer than hitting the "skip ahead to next season" button and getting another one. if the FO decides to go all out on a defense and brings in top ranked DT's and such and goes cheaper at QB I'm all for it if we cant win with this team...but just swapping Dak with a "Top Rated Rookie" as we give up 250 yards rushing every playoff game will not bring the change your looking for.

they all point to Mahomes and Allen, but forget about the other 12 that were missed in the draft..... so yeah, its a hit and miss cycle.

and the only reason that they hate Dak is because he is not Elite. they all want an Elite QB, as if there is a 1-800-ELITE-QB number to call and get one delivered.

 

[CowboyFrog]

they all point to Mahomes and Allen, but forget about the other 12 that were missed in the draft..... so yeah, its a hit and miss cycle.

and the only reason that they hate Dak is because he is not Elite. they all want an Elite QB, as if there is a 1-800-ELITE-QB number to call and get one delivered.

Yup its easy "Lets just get an elite QB' what the hell have they been doing..lol

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Meanwhile when Dak stinks they'll say Kellen Moore needs to be fired.

Ya know, the OC of the #1 offense in the NFL. Yet their defense of Dak is "#1 OFFENSE IN THE NFL!!!".

Whatever takes heat off Dak's mistakes.

meanwhile when the offense scores 40 points they point to the one interception and want Dak dumped to the side of the street.

Ya know, the QB of the #1 offense in the NFL. yet their complaint is the interception.......

oh, yeah and Rush went 4-1. that's another good one

 

[CowboyFrog]

As much as I've dogged Dak my real issue is with the sycophant fans that refuse to acknowledge his fatal flaws and also the Jones' who refuse to put together a team Dak can win with. Reality is that elite QBs are rare and QBs like Dak are most often what you end up with, Jerry and co. refuse to focus on the defensive side of the ball and the end result is that serviceable QBs like Dak and Romo are set up to fail.

If a better QB opportunity comes up then you take him, but in the meantime fix that freaking defense and give these guys a chance!

your bringing way too much logic to a Dak war thread.... you literally just exploded some folks heads..lol

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Also, it's beautiful that we went 4-1 with Rush this year.

You know some were hoping that we'd go 0-5 so they could really push their "Dak is so great that only he can win with this team" narrative.

The 4-1 stretch with Cooper Rush really ruins a lot of their desperate arguments.

so wins and losses are a QB stat then?

you know some where hoping after Dak return that we would go 0-9 so they could get their Rush Crush back, "Rush is so great and he can win and he went 4-1" Narrative.

the 8-2 stretch with Dak and the #1 offense really ruins a lot of their desperate arguments

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Yep couldn't have said it better........Sick times are here and from the looks of things they ain't changing soonest!
This is the end result of GM Jerry and Sons.

are you a Bash Dak over Dallas type of zone member? sounds like.

its sick to see posters wanting the team to lose so they can spew their hatred towards dak.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

For Dak over Dallas fans the playoffs is just 1 extra week of getting to watch Dak play.

for Bash Dak over Dallas fans, its one extra week of suffering and when cowboys lose, they celebrate....that's sadly their superbowl because some may commit suicide if Dallas wins superbowl with Dak.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I guess I thought you weren't a Dak over Dallas fan. My mistake.

After seeing how you acted when Rush was the QB and how you don't care that Dak leads the NFL in INTS despite missing 5 games I guess I judged you wrong.

Did you did you not post Dak stats while he was hurt and we were winning with Cooper Rush anytime someone suggested that Rush was playing well?

so which do you prefer...you avoided answering this once.

an offense averaging 19 points? or an offense averaging 34 points?

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

yes and if you didnt agree you aparently had a Dak poster over your bed..lol or you dont love the Cowboys you love Dak...funny this place reverts to sticks and stones over a QB really fast..lol

Which is ridiculous. I get that we haven't sniffed an NFCC in a long time. Believe me, I just turned 30 a week ago. However, we have a top 10-13 QB imo. I can think of many teams who'd be thrilled to have Dak. What we need from our WRs is to perform their basic function on a consistent basis. If they were better at catching the ball, I think half of Dak's interceptions wouldn't happen.

 

[aikemirv]

I'm comparing him to Derek Carr who I think is in the same range as Dak talentwise he was benched and is going to be gone after this season, this is Carr's 9th season. Dak in his 7th season threw the same amount of INTs as Carr this season in 5 less games. I'm not saying get rid of Dak now but if he doesn't win this playoffs or the next two it's time to move on. He'll be 30 next summer no team really keeps a QB for 15-20 years that doesn't win it just doesn't happen. At some point you have to show you can win a Super Bowl, that is the entire point of the game not regular season wins or TDs.

2 more years - I mean reasonably even if you draft a QB where we will be drafting you have normally a 1-2 year project anyway. Knowing how Jerry feels about Dak you know he is not picking a QB in the 1st or 2nd round so then you have a 3-4 rd guy at best which you would assume is a 2-3 year project at best.

No great current QB's are going to become available so it really is not a discussion unless you are using a ton of capital to trade up! Carr is not an option.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

for Bash Dak over Dallas fans, its one extra week of suffering and when cowboys lose, they celebrate....that's sadly their superbowl because some may commit suicide if Dallas wins superbowl with Dak.

I don't think they'd do that, and I do get a bit touchy with that as I have lost some friends to that. However, I do think that some on here seem to be more interested in the draft. I think some seem to be a bit more concerned with us getting a high draft pick than the playoffs. I enjoy doing mock drafts. However, I think it's more important that we show improvement in the playoffs. We haven't won a road playoff game since I was just under a month old. I thinks the first task is to win a road playoff game this year.

 

[leeblair]

Can we stop with this QBs win by themselves nonsense? Derek Carr has had nothing but one coaching and OC change after another, and usually cursed with a bad defense. It's a team sport. Fans simplify it to just the QB for their own convenience. It's easy.

Even Tom Brady hasn't won by himself. It's no coincidence that he had coaching continuity, and a top 10 defense, for years at New England.

Dak hasn't had the problems that other QBs have, but has been the problem in Dallas.
He puts up great stats, but chokes when he's supposed to be the leader.
McCarthy is helping him with that, but it remains to be seen if Dak will take the next step to greatness.
I hope he does. I think McCarthy will save his career, but this year is going to leave a mark if Dak doesn't step up.
These Cowboys really are the real deal. And the NFL seems to be helping them along.
We'll see.

 

[Runwildboys]

show me anybody that says they take dak over dallas.

you can't do it.

its easy to find posters hating on dak here for the long haul as some kind of weird flex anytime someone brings up anything positive about him...really weird.

Besides, I'm not sure people bring up Dak's tenure so much as a "flex", but more of a "you might as well quit whining and accept him".

 

[CowboyFrog]

Which is ridiculous. I get that we haven't sniffed an NFCC in a long time. Believe me, I just turned 30 a week ago. However, we have a top 10-13 QB imo. I can think of many teams who'd be thrilled to have Dak. What we need from our WRs is to perform their basic function on a consistent basis. If they were better at catching the ball, I think half of Dak's interceptions wouldn't happen.

To me its all part of the offense pushing the ball, as long as those WR come back and make plays and get better and we win no worries. Noah Brown being your go to WR on huge plays is a scheme problem ..until he makes those huge plays. Truth is if Dak was truly the reason this team loses (which the scores dont show) it would stick out like a sore thumb, when a "Football" person ignores the defense getting gashed for 250 rushing yards to focus on a 2nd qtr INT it basically tells you all you need to know about them. But yeah can you get me Mahomes i would take him as a QB also, KC is poopoo heads for not letting us have him.

 

[GoldenR]

so which do you prefer...you avoided answering this once.

an offense averaging 19 points? or an offense averaging 34 points?

I personally would rather have more than 1 playoff win in 8 years than 19 points or 34 points a game in regular season.

 

[G2]

There aren't any. That's Mountain and Pappy who came up with that crap lol. No one takes it serious..

Ole Brokeback is still trolling?

 

[CowboyFrog]

I personally would rather have more than 1 playoff win in 8 years than 19 points or 34 points a game in regular season.

is that an option? again not trying to be an arss really just pointing out that 19 points makes us lose all those playoff games even worse.. your not going to win many playoff games scoring less points than you did the first time you lost it. Now if you said "I changed our defense and upgraded now they hold all those teams to 15 points" then this theory would be in play.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

meanwhile when the offense scores 40 points they point to the one interception and want Dak dumped to the side of the street.

Ya know, the QB of the #1 offense in the NFL. yet their complaint is the interception.......

oh, yeah and Rush went 4-1. that's another good one

Yes, and they point to the "Dak has more ints than almost anybody else and he missed 5 games" rant.

Conveniently forgetting to mention that Dak has not always been that way. So, they just focus on the ints this season and gleefully point their finger and say "See, Dak is a terrible quarterback, Dak can't win a SB, Dak is the reason we don't have a SB win since the Aikman years, blah blah blah"

Zeke had a rash of fumbles in 2020 and it was "He's a fumbler, get rid of him and put Pollard in his place", with 6 fumbles in 244 carries.

And how many fumbles does Zeke have in 2021 and 2022 combined? 1 in 460 carries. So Dak may, just may, be able to get back to a reasonable amount of interceptions.

Of course, if Dak never throws another int they'd just start pointing out fumbles or whatever.

Judge the man (if you feel the need to judge) by his entire career, not just one stat in one year...

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

To me its all part of the offense pushing the ball, as long as those WR come back and make plays and get better and we win no worries. Noah Brown being your go to WR on huge plays is a scheme problem ..until he makes those huge plays. Truth is if Dak was truly the reason this team loses (which the scores dont show) it would stick out like a sore thumb, when a "Football" person ignores the defense getting gashed for 250 rushing yards to focus on a 2nd qtr INT it basically tells you all you need to know about them. But yeah can you get me Mahomes i would take him as a QB also, KC is poopoo heads for not letting us have him.

Exactly, and look at the stats. We are scoring more than we did with Rush. I'm NOT trying to say that Rush is bad. I think he was admirable for a backup. However, we are scoring more now than we did earlier in the season. I just think that the defence needs to contain the deep balls better (looking at Joseph), and the offense needs to be a bit more consistent. If that happens, I think this team can go a long distance. Plus, we should hopefully be getting Hankins back soon, which should mean good things for us.