Dak should be given two more seasons after this one to win

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And my theory is those QB's I mentioned COMPLETELY change those teams. They all are playoff bound! What the hell are you confused about? They are not best teams cause their is no QB fooo!
Ok genius i'll play along. Explain why the 49ers are favorite down Garopolo and Trey Lance....and down to "Mr. Irrelevent" Brock Purdy....can't wait to hear you spin this one.
 

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Who's coaching it?

The OC you want fired is coaching it while the QB I want gone is a player on it.

I guess we're both crazy, huh?
Dak is better than most QB's in the league. The problem over the last 13 years haven't been on offense. It's the way this front office chooses to construct this defense mainly. The Patriots had a top end defense every time they won a SB.
 

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It is possible to be glad that the backup QB is playing well, while also nothing that the QB #1 would probably be doing better. I mean, isn't that the point of a backup QB?
Sure, it's possible, but if you don't find it weird that we we're sitting at 4-0 with Cooper Rush and had fans chiming into to post Dak stats for no reason then I don't think you want to see it.

I don't see why doing that is pertinent unless you're trying to discredit Rush right before the Eagles game.
 

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Sure, it's possible, but if you don't find it weird that we we're sitting at 4-0 with Cooper Rush and had fans chiming into to post Dak stats for no reason then I don't think you want to see it.

I don't see why doing that is pertinent unless you're trying to discredit Rush right before the Eagles game.

Didnt that start from "Cooper Rush should be the starter when Dak is healthy" threads...and remind who was making most of those? Cause and effect is a thing i guess.
 

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I think Dak is better than Carr but Carr has been placed in a horrible position compared to Dak.

Derek Carr has had six head coaches and 4 Offensive Coordinators during his nine years in the league.
Dennis Allen- 15-37
Tony Sparano- 32-41
Jon Gruden- 117-112
Del Rio- 93-94
Bisaccia- 7-5
McDaniels- 17-27
Combined they have 11 above .500 seasons and
41 .500 or below seasons.

they’ve drafted horribly

2014 1st round pick Khalil Mack traded
15 1st rounder Amari Cooper traded year 4
15 2nd rounder Mario Edwards cut year 2
15 3rd rounder Clive Walford cut year 2
16 1st rounder Karl Joesph declined 5th
16 2nd rounder Jihad Ward traded year 1
16 3rd rounder Shilique Calhoun cut year2
171st rounder Gareon Conley traded year3
17 2nd rounder Obi Melifonwu cut year2
17 3rd rounder Eddie Vanderdoes cut year2
18 2nd rounder PJ Hall cut year1
18 3rd rounder Arden Key cut year2
19 1st rounder Jonathan Abrams 5th declined
19 2nd rounder Trayvon Mullen traded year3
20 1st rounder Henry Ruggs cut year2
20 1st rounder Damon Annette year2
20 3rd rounder Lynn Bowden Jr. cut year1
20 3rd rounder Bryan Edwards traded year1
2021 1st round pick Alex Leatherwood cut

scoring defense
2022 25th Dallas 7th
2021 26th Dallas 7th
2020 30th Dallas 28th
2019 24th Dallas 10th
2018 32nd Dallas 6th
2017 19th Dallas 13th
2016 20th Dallas 5th
2015 22th
2014 30th


Rushing offense
2022 16th Dallas - 8th
2021 28th Dallas - 7th
2020 14th - Dallas - 16th
2019 13th - Dallas 4th
2018 25th - Dallas 10th
2017 24th - Dallas 2nd
2016 7th - Dallas 2nd
2015 28th -
2014 32nd -

Dak Career 66.5 QBR. He throws a TD 5.1% of his attempts, a INT 2.0 of his attempts and completes 66.9% of passes
Carr Career 52.8 QBR. He throws a TD 4.4% of his attempts, a INT 2.0 of his attempts and completes 64.6%

I say 2 more years of Dak and if no success then it’s time to move on.
 

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I do think that Dak is significantly above average. I think that, overall, he's one of the better QBs (note that I said better, not best) in the league. I would say top 10-13 is fair for him. I should note that, while his interception numbers are undoubtedly high this year, I do not think a lot of them have been his fault. As an example, the pick 6 that lost the game to Jacksonville was a good ball that was mishandled by Noah Brown. If he holds onto that ball, who knows? Perhaps we do drive into FG range for the GW kick? Then, assuming the rest of the season were to take place from there as it has, then this came comes down against Washington to determine if we win home field advantage or not.

The first interception against Tennessee, which did not matter but I'm using it as another example, was another one to where I do not think Dak is to blame at all. He threw a perfect ball to Hendershot who bobbled it.

Therefore, I think that Dak does get a lot of balls that he's thrown well that are intercepted because the WR/TE mishandled the ball. There are several that are undoubtedly Dak's fault. However, if our WRs were more consistent about performing the basic function of a WR, then I think Dak would be viewed in a higher regard. As it is, we sit here with a 2% chance of winning the top seed.
One thing I will say however, when Dak throws into all that coverage against playoff teams those are getting picked. I do believe some interceptions are not his fault, that's every QB. He throws like he did against Philly, were in good shape though.
 

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I think Dak is better than Carr but Carr has been placed in a horrible position compared to Dak.

Derek Carr has had six head coaches and 4 Offensive Coordinators during his nine years in the league.
Dennis Allen- 15-37
Tony Sparano- 32-41
Jon Gruden- 117-112
Del Rio- 93-94
Bisaccia- 7-5
McDaniels- 17-27
Combined they have 11 above .500 seasons and
41 .500 or below seasons.

they’ve drafted horribly

2014 1st round pick Khalil Mack traded
15 1st rounder Amari Cooper traded year 4
15 2nd rounder Mario Edwards cut year 2
15 3rd rounder Clive Walford cut year 2
16 1st rounder Karl Joesph declined 5th
16 2nd rounder Jihad Ward traded year 1
16 3rd rounder Shilique Calhoun cut year2
171st rounder Gareon Conley traded year3
17 2nd rounder Obi Melifonwu cut year2
17 3rd rounder Eddie Vanderdoes cut year2
18 2nd rounder PJ Hall cut year1
18 3rd rounder Arden Key cut year2
19 1st rounder Jonathan Abrams 5th declined
19 2nd rounder Trayvon Mullen traded year3
20 1st rounder Henry Ruggs cut year2
20 1st rounder Damon Annette year2
20 3rd rounder Lynn Bowden Jr. cut year1
20 3rd rounder Bryan Edwards traded year1
2021 1st round pick Alex Leatherwood cut

scoring defense
2022 25th Dallas 7th
2021 26th Dallas 7th
2020 30th Dallas 28th
2019 24th Dallas 10th
2018 32nd Dallas 6th
2017 19th Dallas 13th
2016 20th Dallas 5th
2015 22th
2014 30th


Rushing offense
2022 16th Dallas - 8th
2021 28th Dallas - 7th
2020 14th - Dallas - 16th
2019 13th - Dallas 4th
2018 25th - Dallas 10th
2017 24th - Dallas 2nd
2016 7th - Dallas 2nd
2015 28th -
2014 32nd -

Dak Career 66.5 QBR. He throws a TD 5.1% of his attempts, a INT 2.0 of his attempts and completes 66.9% of passes
Carr Career 52.8 QBR. He throws a TD 4.4% of his attempts, a INT 2.0 of his attempts and completes 64.6%

I say 2 more years of Dak and if no success then it’s time to move on.

Carr has been through the ringer in that org. for sure
 

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Didnt that start from "Cooper Rush should be the starter when Dak is healthy" threads...and remind who was making most of those? Cause and effect is a thing i guess.
Well yeah...

We were winning and Dak looked horrible in Week 1 in our only loss.

It's perfectly reasonable to stick with what's working. That's how Dak got his job to begin with, right?
 

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One thing I will say however, when Dak throws into all that coverage against playoff teams those are getting picked. I do believe some interceptions are not his fault, that's every QB. He throws like he did against Philly, were in good shape though.

And that's the thing. He does need to protect the ball better. The way he played Philly is how we can get to the NFCC. The irony is that, in previous years, we weren't good against good teams but would feast on bad teams. This year, we seem to have struggled with bad teams, but really beat up teams that were considered good teams going into the season and, sometimes during the season. I don't know if it's because we are playing down to competition, or if we are becoming overly haughty during games. However, when we were playing the likes of Minnesota, NYG, and Philly (with Dak), we looked like contenders. When we played the likes of Houston, Tennessee, and Green Bay (don't fool yourself, they're not a good team), we looked awful and blew a lead to Green Bay.
 

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I'm comparing him to Derek Carr who I think is in the same range as Dak talentwise he was benched and is going to be gone after this season, this is Carr's 9th season. Dak in his 7th season threw the same amount of INTs as Carr this season in 5 less games. I'm not saying get rid of Dak now but if he doesn't win this playoffs or the next two it's time to move on. He'll be 30 next summer no team really keeps a QB for 15-20 years that doesn't win it just doesn't happen. At some point you have to show you can win a Super Bowl, that is the entire point of the game not regular season wins or TDs.

Please GOD no! Please GOD no!
 

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Well yeah...

We were winning and Dak looked horrible in Week 1 in our only loss.

It's perfectly reasonable to stick with what's working. That's how Dak got his job to begin with, right?

No not really, you can shade it to make it sound the same but in reality it wasnt working on the Offensive side the way they wanted. Now 2016 again can also be shaded because the offense was working how they wanted it to BUT it was a reasonable question as to wether it would be better with Romo. There is no reasonable question on who wouold do more in this offense between Rush or Dak.
 

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No not really, you can shade it to make it sound the same but in reality it wasnt working on the Offensive side the way they wanted. Now 2016 again can also be shaded because the offense was working how they wanted it to BUT it was a reasonable question as to wether it would be better with Romo. There is no reasonable question on who wouold do more in this offense between Rush or Dak.
If Rush would have threw more INTs and played more reckless would that have made ya'll happier?

Rush had 3 turnovers in 5 games. Dak had 3 turnovers in the first half Thursday.
 

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I'm comparing him to Derek Carr who I think is in the same range as Dak talentwise he was benched and is going to be gone after this season, this is Carr's 9th season. Dak in his 7th season threw the same amount of INTs as Carr this season in 5 less games. I'm not saying get rid of Dak now but if he doesn't win this playoffs or the next two it's time to move on. He'll be 30 next summer no team really keeps a QB for 15-20 years that doesn't win it just doesn't happen. At some point you have to show you can win a Super Bowl, that is the entire point of the game not regular season wins or TDs.

Dak doesn’t compare to Derek Carr. Carr is 14 games under 500 as a starting QB and only led the Raiders to the playoffs twice in nine seasons with an 0-1 playoff record. He’s been inconsistent his entire career. His job security with the Raiders had been in question for several years and they finally gave up on him. Dak is 26 games over 500 as a starting QB and has led the Cowboys to the playoffs four times in seven seasons. He also has a playoff win. He’s been a much more consistent QB than Derek Carr.
 

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You've never seen anyone say they want Dallas to fail in spite of Dak either, but I don't see you calling the posters that claim that out.
I have seen posters say that, in the heat of one of these stupid arguments. Maybe they didn't really mean it, and just said it to be spiteful, but it wouldn't surprise me if they want Dak gone so badly that the thought of him earning an extension frazzles their little brain.
 

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Ok genius i'll play along. Explain why the 49ers are favorite down Garopolo and Trey Lance....and down to "Mr. Irrelevent" Brock Purdy....can't wait to hear you spin this one.
Again, your listening to the talking heads about the 49ers. They have beat 2 playoff teams this year and someone named Stidham put up 400 yards and 3 TD's! I have no idea why they are the favorite from these heads? 90% of the football talking heads also say Dak is the problem with the Cowboys. So he must be the problem, right? I would rather play the Niners, Vikings, or Giants, rather than Brady, Rogers, or Hurts! you know why? QB!!! see my original post and read it one more time, you'll get it!
 

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Sure, it's possible, but if you don't find it weird that we we're sitting at 4-0 with Cooper Rush and had fans chiming into to post Dak stats for no reason then I don't think you want to see it.

I don't see why doing that is pertinent unless you're trying to discredit Rush right before the Eagles game.
I definitely remember people posting how much better Dak would be doing, but it was probably in response to, or preemptively striking someone claiming that Rush was playing better than Dak would have - and I know you won't deny there was some of that going on.
 

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I have seen posters say that, in the heat of one of these stupid arguments. Maybe they didn't really mean it, and just said it to be spiteful, but it wouldn't surprise me if they want Dak gone so badly that the thought of him earning an extension frazzles their little brain.
Prove it.

I want to see it so I know who not to take seriously as Cowboys fans.
 

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And that's the thing. He does need to protect the ball better. The way he played Philly is how we can get to the NFCC. The irony is that, in previous years, we weren't good against good teams but would feast on bad teams. This year, we seem to have struggled with bad teams, but really beat up teams that were considered good teams going into the season and, sometimes during the season. I don't know if it's because we are playing down to competition, or if we are becoming overly haughty during games. However, when we were playing the likes of Minnesota, NYG, and Philly (with Dak), we looked like contenders. When we played the likes of Houston, Tennessee, and Green Bay (don't fool yourself, they're not a good team), we looked awful and blew a lead to Green Bay.
I am hoping we see the Dak we saw in Philly, 3 road games will be very difficult no matter what NFL QB is playing.
 
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