Dak vs Wentz comparison thread **merged**

[Qbert]

I'm just wondering when the media is gonna start judging Dak like he was the high first round pick and Wentz was a lowly small college upstart who went in the 7th round

 

[Doomsay]

The Wentz worship on this site is unreal. Dak threw for nearly 100 more yards than Wentz, but Wentz gets the 'real deal' label while we need to pump our breaks on Dak and be skeptical.

The only thing we haven't really seen from Dak in an actual game yet is him launching the ball down the field and that probably has as much to do with the coaching staff than him since we seen him do it in preseason. How does he not have Wentz's passing ability when he threw for nearly 300 yards last game with no interceptions last game? He put up 19 points and would have possibly beat the Giants, the same team that held Drew Brees to 13 points, if Terrance Williams gets out of bounds.

If Dak had the same game as Wentz last night, he'd be called a dink and dunk game manager around here who can only throw for touchdowns if the defense puts him at the 2 yard line. Wentz gets to play two of the lesser teams in the league and has an amazing defense to keep him free of pressure. He also has a coach that doesn't baby him and can actually draw up an offensive game plan that doesn't simply involve receivers trying to beat their man. We'll see how he does when he starts playing tougher teams, especially divisional teams. Wentz better learn how to slide before he gets knocked out of the game, because right now he's a big hit magnet.

Now Wentz has the tools to be a great quarterback, but he's judged on a completely different metric than Dak, and I'm guessing because he's the quarterback many actually wanted to draft.

I think that it's his accuracy and arm strength that are so impressive. He really threads the ball into coverage amazingly.

 

[bark]

I think you mean Goff. Dak was a 4th round pick...considered a long-term project. The mere fact that the topic of comparing a supposedly "top 3" talent to a guy drafted in the 4th round is even brought up should tell you that the Cowboys may have gotten the steal of the draft.

How would you like to be the Rams brain trust answering this question.
That Jeff fisher......

 

[CF74]

Wentz takes a lot of unnecessary hits for a guy playing with a fractured rib...

 

[Broges74]

Wentz has a stronger, more accurate arm. Dak can learn to read defenses like Romo. Wentz seems to have that right now.

Still, I feel this comparison will be talked about for the next 10 years unless Wentz doesn't learn to get down instead of taking on NFL LBers. That's a win for the Cowboys as we gave up nothing to get Dak while the Eagles gave up a lot.

 

[canters]

They both are doing very well at this point. I suspect Dak has played slightly better defenses in NY and Washington than Wentz in Clevland and Chicago.

 

[kevm3]

Bigger arm on Wentz I can see, but I don't see more accuracy in Wentz. Dak threw for 22 of 30 for 292 yards and Wentz threw for 21 of 34. Dak actually had an over 10% higher completion percentage. Dak was not only more accurate, but threw for more yards in less attempts.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

I don't see Dak as being inaccurate. He was at 70% this weekend with 10 yds per attempt. Eagles had about 250 yds in offense and somehow Wentz looks phenomenal? I give him credit as doing a good job as a rookie, just like Dak is. He does have a stronger arm, but that only gets you so far. I think Prescott is doing a better job of finding the open receivers....Wentz was throwing into a lot of coverage.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

As for

Wentz has a stronger, more accurate arm. Dak can learn to read defenses like Romo. Wentz seems to have that right now.

Still, I feel this comparison will be talked about for the next 10 years unless Wentz doesn't learn to get down instead of taking on NFL LBers. That's a win for the Cowboys as we gave up nothing to get Dak while the Eagles gave up a lot.

Was there a test at the draft combine that showed his arm was stronger than Daks?

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Bigger arm on Wentz I can see, but I don't see more accuracy in Wentz. Dak threw for 22 of 30 for 292 yards and Wentz threw for 21 of 34. Dak actually had an over 10% higher completion percentage. Dak was not only more accurate, but threw for more yards in less attempts.

Yep, Wentz has a terrific arm... In addition he's a good athlete.

But I don't see more accuracy either.

What I saw was a whole lotta passes thrown within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage.

And he's a kid that takes some hellacious hits– which will come back to haunt him and the Eagles.

 

[Ken]

He has the Steelers this weekend

He does and doesn't have a patsie the rest of the season.

I give him credit...he looks waaaay better than I thought he would but his level of competition has been embarrassing. I also give Pederson credit as he has called great games...way better than Dallas has called.

At the same time...division games against quality opponents cannot be understated. The level of difficulty is 10 fold...

 

[TheRomoSexual]

"2. Wentz sees all the options at passing and find the open receiver."

"2. [Dak] has pretty good awareness of his receivers but sees only to his second maybe third option."

I disagree with these two points big time. If anything it seems like Dak is way better at going through his reads than Wentz. Wentz seems to either want to bomb it out or dump it off, hence his 5.6 average per throw versus Dak at 9.6.

 

[Gabe]

Dak has much better accuracy than Wentz and what gives him more upside is his ability to run when needed. Toughness also would have to give Dak the edge, both mentally and physically.

Wentz looked like a great passer and had good pocket awareness. In terms of upside, Dak has far more at this point.

 

[Dundalis]

What is Wentz doing that is leagues beyond Dak? They look comparable. If I can have two qbs that are playing on a similar level and have 2 1st rounders and a 2nd to go along with it, I'm taking the qb and the treasure trove of picks.

I think Wentz has a clearly superior arm to Dak. Pre-draft measurements confirm this. If all else is equal that makes Wentz the superior player. Could possibly mention that Wentz is playing with nothing, compared to all the weapons Dak has, him doing it with much more limited preparation. You can rationalize those things all you want, it is still there and a factor. Wentz stretches the field more because he throws the long passes. We've seen a bit of that from Dak in pre-season, but i'll wait to see when he does it in real games before saying he can do it. Him not doing it is giving defenses an advantage over us, whether that's his fault or not.

 

[Nova]

I don't see the stronger arm, but I see the better touch from Wentz.

It's going to be fun to compare these two for years, but I'm placing my bet on our guy.

Might be a homer pick, but I like what's between his ears and what beats in his chest more.

Dak has the demeanor of a guy that deals with adversity better. Only time will tell.

 

[Bleu Star]

Watching Wentz last night I still see the same things I noticed during the draft.
1. He still has the ability to diagnostic defenses and adjust the play call.
2. He sees all the options at passing and find the open receiver.
3. He has the outstanding ability to set his offensive personnel.
4. He can knock the eye out of a squirrel at 80 yards on the run.
5. He is already at a veteran level at game management for 4 quarters.

Dak is still a rookie who needs coaching support
1. He is a pretty good passer but does not have Wentz touch passing ability.
2. He has pretty good awareness of his receivers but sees only to his second maybe third option.
3. Dak is a better runner than Wentz.
4. Dak still needs time studying game tape to notice how defenses scheme and set up for him.

As Rookies at QB I have Wentz as an "A". I have Dak at a B+ or A-. The rest are not up to these two in NFL talent yet (Goff).

OK, shoot!

Wentz benefits from being in a newly installed obviously dynamic freelancing offense where the QB is granted the ability to perform early diagnosis at the line via a no huddle strategy.

Dak is stuck running our barely dynamic offense where the skill of the players is more impactful than the design of the play.

Swap QBs and it would be the same in reverse.

Ok shoot!

 

[Broges74]

As for


Was there a test at the draft combine that showed his arm was stronger than Daks?

Yeah. Prescott threw the ball at 54mph and Wentz 57.

 

[Risen Star]

There is no "at this point" about it. Prescott will always have an inferior arm and the things people praise Prescott for Wentz also has in spades.

He's the real deal. Complete package. Superior player.

Hope he gets hurt. That's what we're left with.

 

[Clarkson]

They both are doing very well at this point. I suspect Dak has played slightly better defenses in NY and Washington than Wentz in Clevland and Chicago.

Also better offenses, which puts more pressure on a guy to score.

Also divisional opponents.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

I think Wentz has a clearly superior arm to Dak. Pre-draft measurements confirm this. If all else is equal that makes Wentz the superior player. Could possibly mention that Wentz is playing with nothing, compared to all the weapons Dak has, him doing it with much more limited preparation. You can rationalize those things all you want, it is still there and a factor. Wentz stretches the field more because he throws the long passes. We've seen a bit of that from Dak in pre-season, but i'll wait to see when he does it in real games before saying he can do it. Him not doing it is giving defenses an advantage over us, whether that's his fault or not.

Outside of Dez, Beasley and a slow Witten, those other 'weapons' Dallas has haven't showed up much. (passing game)